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Forum Post: To libertaritards- Why we need more and stronger regulation, not crippled and bought out regulation

Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 29, 2011, 9:57 p.m. EST by alouis (1511) from New York, NY
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NOVEMBER 29, 2011 7K The VIOXX Settlement Merck Pays a Pittance for Mass Deaths by FRED GARDNER Q: Who killed more Americans —al Qaeda crashing airplanes into the World Trade Center, or Merck pushing Vioxx?

A: Merck, by a factor of 18.

One of the most downplayed stories of our time ended with a whimper this week. “Merck has agreed to pay $950 million and has pleaded guilty to a criminal charge over the marketing and sales of the painkiller Vioxx,” the New York Times reported Nov. 23 (in the business section, where important medical news is usually found). The pharmaceutical giant copped to a misdemeanor: urging MDs to prescribe Vioxx for Rheumatoid Arthritis prior to 2002, when the Food & Drug Administration approved its use for that disorder.

The FDA had initially approved Vioxx (after a hasty “priority review”) in May, 1999 to treat osteoarthritis, acute pain, and menstrual cramps. By September 30, 2004, when Merck announced its “voluntary recall,” some 25 million Americans had been prescribed the widely hyped drug. Evidence that using Vioxx doubled a patient’s risk of suffering a heart attack or stroke —based on a review of 1.4 million patients’ records— was about to be published in Lancet by David Graham, MD, an FDA investigator. The FDA director’s office, devoted valet of Big PhRMA, had contacted the Lancet in a futile effort to stop publication of their own scientist’s findings.

Graham’s data indicate that 140,000 Americans suffered Vioxx-induced heart attacks and strokes; 55,000 died, and many more were permanently disabled. The Merck executives’ real crime was conspiracy to commit murder.

Some 3,000 Americans died in the attack on the World Trade Center. The murders perpetrated by Merck executives were not as dramatic, obviously, but were every bit as intentional. An early clinical trial had alerted them to the fact that Vioxx caused coronary damage. Their response was to exclude from future trials anyone with a history of heart trouble!

Once Vioxx was approved, Merck spent more than $100 million a year advertising it. (You may still remember the tune to “It’s a beautiful morning…”) Merck execs continued to ignore and suppress indications that their new blockbuster was causing strokes and heart attacks. Sales hit $2.5 billion in 2003. And when brave Dr. Graham first presented his irrefragable evidence to an FDA advisory committee in February 2004, Merck argued that the “unique benefits” of Vioxx warranted its remaining on the market. The FDA committee voted 17-15 to keep it available with a black box warning. Ten of the 32 committee members had taken money from Merck, Pfizer or Novartis (which were pushing drugs similar to Vioxx) as consultants. If these MDs had declared their conflicts of interest, Vioxx would have been pulled from the market by a vote of 14-8. By buying an extra seven and a half months,...

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[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 13 years ago

Hi alouis, Thank you for post. Everyone needs to see this. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 1 points by technoviking (484) 13 years ago

every single drug that had delayed introduction to the market thanks to FDA has murdered someone on the basis that the patient received no cure

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

No point in checking for efficacy.

Let the deaths in the market decide!!!!!

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[-] 2 points by technoviking (484) 13 years ago

that's not how people decide whether to use a particular drug.

they go through their doctor.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

Why bother. It's such a hassle.

Cut out the middle man.

It's time to play beat the reaper!

Just send me money. It's the libertarian way!

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 13 years ago

Your FDA is bought, and until you eliminate it and replace it wiht normal people, no amount of regulation matters.

And until you get the bought D and R parties out of there, you will never have a shot at replacing FDA.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

Bush cut the FDA down to peanuts. Along with the EPA. One of the first things he did.

Why do you always miss that.

I have some nice melons and peanutbutter for you.

Cheap too.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 13 years ago

So only the REALLY corrupted ones are left? Is that what you are saying?

You keep trying to reform criminals.

Im aiming for new agencies run by decent human beings.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

Where are you going to find those?

Try Liberty Park.

OccupyWallstreet!

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 13 years ago

Well if half in OWS are going to re-vote this animal into office, Im not sure if that is the best place for me either.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

Looks like one animal or the other.

It's been that way for a while now.

It's still better than Bush.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 13 years ago

If you are still seeing things like that, playing their game, then you are still at the beginning of this journey.

That is exactly how "they" want you to think. Staying controlled.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

Bush fan eh?

Seems you're the one new at the game.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 13 years ago

See what I mean, this type of screw the D/R duopoly is so foreign to you that you assume I'M a BUSH fan! hahahahaha....

Like I said, keep peeling the layers of the onion, and you will be where the ones for real change are...

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan.

If you're a Mr. P fan, you're still playin' that game too.

At least I know I am.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 13 years ago

Sanders, Paul and Kucinich are the only ones who get a shred of respect from me.

That being said, they have been in there too long and its time for them to go too.

[-] 1 points by technoviking (484) 13 years ago

the libertarian way is i decide how i spend my money.

you deciding for me how to spend my money is the american way.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

Cool, there's nobody checking the doctors for efficacy either.

You might as well buy my pill.

[-] 1 points by technoviking (484) 13 years ago

I have been checking him everytime i visit him in the past 15 years.

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[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 13 years ago

We need more regulation, honest regulation not deregulation.

[-] 0 points by Faithntruth (997) 13 years ago

Your point was well supported without the name calling. Regulations are necessary, but the problem with the FDA is corporate influence. It no longer protects the public from dangerous side effects of drugs, and it is inhibiting your right to eat healthy food.

[-] 1 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 13 years ago

Libertarians piss me off.

[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 13 years ago

Civil discourse keeps the lines of communication open, though, so we can move beyond emotional reaction to productive ideas. I do understand the desire to give some individuals a jab, but it is a momementary satisfaction that does more harm than good. It is so much more important to just keep repeating the truth, and you did a good a job with your information. Eventually, the truths stack up...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 13 years ago

Good. It shows your thinking.