Forum Post: To all Tea Party'ers, Vets, and Police
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 1:38 a.m. EST by Nulambda
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As we see the increasing violence the State is willing to use to protect the global banking cartels interest (not America's) against peaceful protesters exercising our fundamental right to protest corruption in government, I ask you all to protect the OSW movement from the State.
I am sure they will soon use anarchist or other "false flags" to marginalize the movement and justify excess force. The same way they co opted the Tea Party Movement. I am sure vets understand this as well, and the police.
So I ask you all to please protect our movement from the State. I mean, the OSW is mainly hippies and college students. They don't (can't) hurt anybody. :).
And the State has no right to violate our citizens rights guaranteed in our Bill of Rights. We all want peace. Don't let their violence be victorious.
It is classic Liberal technique to assume that your utopian ideals trump that boring law and order stuff. You Libs are just so much more brilliant than the rest of us, it's OK to destroy and poop on whatever the heck you want.
I never said any of that. But are they not breaking the law by not recognizing the people's right to peacefully assemble? Why does the law not apply to them? Doesn't the Bill of Rights trump all laws?
You're absolutely correct Nulambda, but in Lib-land the world is a horrible, awful place deserving of a poke in the eye. Including those darn laws.
Todd a lot of the "pooping" is being done by homeless that are being directed to the protests. Many are in poor states of mental health.
That being said I find the movement is trying to crowd out some points of view - I don't want to say all or most but many individuals seem to view capitalism as the enemy while at the same time understanding nothing of economics. I've talked to communists who've never even read Das Kapital let alone any critiques of it.
I guess I have never met anyone from Lib-land. Most of the people I know who support the movement are respectful of the law and just want to be free to voice their frustration with a system that continually goes against the will of the people.
well said!..
wait slow down amigo. We have our right to peaceably assemble. But that does mean peaceful. When we insist on doing something that breaks another persons rights, its not peaceful assembly anymore. Like for example, if we block a road and it keeps other people from using it. Then we are violating their rights and the police can take back their rights for them. If we take a park and keep the kids from playing in it on the swings, then we are violating their rights and the police can take back their rights that we took. when we blockade a port and close it and keep people from earning their paycheck, we are stealing their rights and the state can come in and take back their rights for them that we took. Im all for doing this, Im in a local camp, but don't spout hyperbole and that the state is violating our rights. they are not. They are taking back rights for other people that we took with our occupation. Just to be clear. peaceful assembly does not equal forceful occupation. We are forcefully occupying. so far the cities are being really good about working with us so we can get the message out by occupying. But its real fine line we are walking, and when one too many citizens gets pissed they can't use their park that we took, or they can't drive down a road to visit their mom in the hospital, we're going to have to understand that we started this.
Ok, here's the thing. You're right, and yet, not quite applying the rightness correctly to the situation. See, the Freedom to Assemble is part of the bill of rights. The freedom to use the street is not. Also, as pretty much any detractor of the movement would tell you, earning a paycheck isn't a right. So if one person's first amendment rights interfere with someone else's ability to go about their daily life, I'm personally filing that into the "Tough luck" category.
in your definition, but that's not going to be enough to change the weight of one person's right over another's. Just because we wish something was something, isn't going to make it anything.
no, seriously, there's no such thing as a right to use the street.
or a park. exactly, which is why we can get arrested for acting like we own them more so than other people who want to use them.
Ok, that sentence assumes that it's ok to deprive us of a priviledge to grant that same priviledge to another group, based on what exactly? If they have a right to the park, so do we, and removing us violates our rights. If we don't have a right to the park, then neither do they, and removing us violates our rights.
according to your definitions. which as you say, makes it not work.
No, seriously, these aren't MY definitions. The right to assemble is constitutionally protected, while the desire to have your park clear of hippies isn't. Sorry.
you skip again, the word 'peaceably' assemble. That is a important criteria, peaceably. When you disrupt the peace (take over someone else's rights to use the park) it not 'peacefully' any more. According to supreme court decisions and definition, which the country is using so far.
Good point. But as this economy gets more and more worse, those people will be in the movement because their will be no where else for them to go. And the State will try ton keep us all herded together into shanty towns like you see across the world.
right, and im for occupation, just trying to set some of the angry youth straight, that what we are doing, is not just civil disobedience. we are breaking laws. expect that to be dealt with.
I agree. And that is why it is critical for us to maesurewe stay within the law. We cannot give the State their much desired pretext.
Gosh, the Tea Party'ers, Vets, and Police are the ones cleaning up the damage to public and private property like Whole Foods market and the public parks.
Maybe the OWS could make the gesture of cleaning and repairing the damage. But we won't hold our breath - we were all young and stupid too once.
it is my opinion that they could do a better job cleaning
Amen to that!
Knock heads now. KHN.
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If the Tea Party has been co-opted, why are you calling on them to protect you?
Not all the movement. Just what the media was selling the rest of America. Just like with the OWS...
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if we win the police, we win the majority. and we'll need the majority--to be the 99% we say we are-- to grow or it will just dwindle away (I had to look up that saying- dwindle.)
Not all police are bad. They are getting screwed too. And they know it. If we keep that type of attitude we will push the public away. We have to be all inviting. We are the 99%.
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Knock heads now. KHN.