Forum Post: To All Ron Lawl supporters looking to get involved with the campaign
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 8, 2011, 12:04 p.m. EST by MaxGold
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Dear Libertarians, Austrians, An-Caps, and General Ron Lawl Supporters (and all liberty minded Anons)
I am currently working on the Ron Lawl campaign at its New York City headquarters LIBERTY HQ. For the last 3 weeks, me and a couple dozen individuals have been phone banking to help Ron Lawl win the first caucuses and primaries. Phone banking is an integral part of the electioneering process, as it gives us the statistics necessary to help sway the vote in the favor of RP and liberty. Please join this group: you will get information on how to start a phone bank in you're area or even how to do it from your own home. The head of our organization is a GOP political veteran who helped George Bush win Florida in 00 (not like that's a good thing necessarilly, but it shows you he knows what he's doing). So please join Phone Bankers for Ron Lawl and help us stick it to the bankers and the fradulent monetary system.
Don't forget the Koch supporters in your plea since 99% of Ron Lawl's beliefs and policies are in lockstep with the Koch Brothers.
Idiot
Typical Paulite response when the truth about his candidate is exposed...that's ok though I forgive your ignorance.
not all of his policies - his foreign policy is ok with me - the end the fed, free market gold standard stuff is nonsense
you are right? Who doesnt love inflation, right?
inflation is not so bad in my opinion - banks and bond holders don't like it that is for sure. my mortgage got very cheap from 1977 to 1997 - and my house increased in value. if you read about the populist movement of the 1890's they wanted inflation - the whole gold standard, fiat currency thing is misunderstood - read graeber or secrets of the temple if you want a better understanding of currency etc
So you like inflation because your house went up in value..Sorry but that the kind of greed and selfishness that caused the mees we in..
don't be silly - that is your answer to who benefits and who loses from inflation - sorry - many of these questions have winners and losers - no way around it - dollar strong importers like it - dollar weak exporters benefit. read about populism and fiat currency - "secrets of the temple" is probably the best place to start
Banks love inflation, its created from them printing money. Inflation is a small price to pay for owning the printing press
no - i am sorry - the holders of fixed income securities like mortgages and 30 treasuries do not like inflation - they lose money each year. i realize this is a complex question but it has all been hashed out many years ago - by arguing for the gold standard and against fiat currency you are making the case for the ones who own the country not working people. if you don't understand why there are many good places to read about all of this - if you just want to hold on to your beliefs - well, that is ok but you should stay out of the conversation - people need to really understand what is happening or we have no chance to fix things - not that we have much anyway!
Ok, fair enough. So what are your proposals?
democratic control of the central bank - it is possible that we do not need a central bank but i would have to hear a good reason behind that idea. money is trust and debt so fiat currency is not the problem. we need the economic system to be under the control of the people - that requires a lot of changes but getting money out of the political system would be a good start - we could go from there but i am a fan of democracy but that requires democratizing the media etc - long road ahead! by the way we have inflation coming no matter what happens - oil and copper and cotton and coffee - should i go on - will all cost more in the coming years - and our incomes will probably not keep up - ouch!
I like your style. If you would like to really get active, feel free to contact me via my username. I know OWS and the other sites are trying their best to not get political, but in reality, this is about as political as it gets :) Keep up the good work man...
i agree - and wow - i wasn't expecting a reasonable conversation - i have too many that make no sense to me - could be me but i think too many people have a religious connection to their views and can't let go of them - thanks for the reply - it gives me some hope - i will contact you!
Probably has a lot to do with us being trained that the only way to discuss politics is to fight, and not think. I really think that is any country's biggest problem
certainly one of our problems - we have many, but right wing media and the end of the labor press has created a mess for us - keep at it
Most of his domestic policies like ending SS, EPA department of education and many others are in lockstep with Koch and all the other Repubs. Too bad the good things he preaches about would never come to light but those things I mentioned I fear will.
Sorry, none here. Move along now.
And take your free-market capitalist, regressive flat tax, anti-choice, anti-environment ideologue with you.
"anti-choice"
Actually RP wants the states to choose on abortion. I agree on your other points though.
RP gets support cause he is very anti-central-bank, I think. That's basically the only reason I'd consider voting for him.
From RonPaul website:
Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”
Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/abortion/
"preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction"
He words it in a way that sounds like he's outlawing abortion. I think this is to get more votes from fundamentalists.
That means States like California, Oregon, Washington, et cetera could legalize abortion the same way they legalized marijuana. (Per the Tenth Amendment.) You need to Understand what you read.
Anyway:
Isn't Obama also pro-life? He still managed to get elected. (shrug). Whatever. I could frankly care less, because I think Paul's antiwar stance is more important. Obama's killed millions of Iraqis and Afghanis and a few thousand Libyans too.
Obama's also hatching plans to start an Iran War. It's about time to make that shit stop. Go Paul.
Funny I support him and am a free market capitalist.
Nucleus you don't speak for everyone here.
I object to all attempts to hijack or coopt OWS for political purposes.
OWS has no demands, OWS endorses no candidates.
I don't believe I either tried to hijack or coopt OWS, I speak for myself. My issue is that you just spoke for all of OWS including me and you do not.
here adverb, In, at, or to this place.
I don't see you "here".
Too late.
OWS was created by Democrat Party spinoff groups like Acorn, Tide, Adwatch, and funded by Obama, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, et cetera.
Ron Lawl and the Libertarian Kochs United will take over America democratically! Praise be to GOD and Koch Amen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCHAv25uTw
Did you know Hitler came to power democratically too?
Don't like the regime you have now?
Not really, no. He and his party landed in second place. He then orchestrated the murder of the winning party's MPs, thus moving his Natsi party from 2nd to 1st in number of seats, and blamed it on the communists.
Ya don't do anything logical like post his official website RonPaul2012.com
However Nazi OWS toolbags want to censor his name there's only one Champion of Liberty: RonPaul, Pon Raul, Ron Lawl, Lon Rawl, Onion Roll, etc We know who they fuck we're talkin about!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0&feature=related
Wow, didn't expect so much activity from this.
Listen, do you like corporations? Guess what, the FED is a private corporation. If you don't want a private corporation (that's owned by other corporations) controlling your economy and bailing out there friends, then keep touting the Obamination.
If you believe in the constitution, an economy and government free of corporate corruption and influence and lobbying, if you want to end the wars, if you believe in sound money, you should vote for Ron Lawl.
And if you're at occupy Wall Street, it sure sounds to me like it makes more sense for you to vote Ron Lawl WHO OPPOSES ALL BAILOUTS, instead of Obama who DEFENDS THEM!!!!!!!!!1
Ron Lawlls answer to universial healthcare was " if we werent in so many wars around the world and occupying so many countries then we might be able to afford it.
This isn't about trying to get a person elected.
No.
Apparently it's about inviting the Nazi and Communist Party USA, plus black bloc, to come-in and smash private citizens stores/ coffee shop windows. Or assaulting female reporters/ cameramen. Or shitting in bank lobbies and the local church. Or attacking the DC convention center and imprisoning people inside. Or jumping on cars like monkeys and damaging the hoods.
If he wins, then we can just scrap the union, and all fifty states can just go their own way. The fifty nations of the once united states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEwjVRxxGE
John Mclane for president!
Thanks for clarifying for our deluded RP-supporting progressives that RP is the candidate of anarcho-capitalists. There's been a concerted effort to sell him (and Hayek) as a progressive whose views are in-line with Kucinich and Nader. Obviously this is pure fiction. The only overlap is on foreign policy, and for very different reasons.
Also, I endorse this call for these folks to spend their time on phone banks instead of trolling this forum.
After voting Nader in every election he has been in I was very distressed recently to hear a quote from Nader endorsing ronpaul. I had been expecting to support whoever Nader endorsed but I could/would never support anyone from the libertarian economic predator cult.
Libertarians want only the liberty to freely prey on others without any legal or regulatory constraint. I can't support that. It is the mentality that caused the economic collapse of America.
"Libertarians want only the liberty to freely prey on others without any legal or regulatory constraint" Agreed. Nader is so anti-establishment at this point (and for good reason admittedly) that it's affected his judgment, IMO.
Nader was the person who brought responsible regulatory constraint to American industry. Seeing him support a libertarian so contradicts everything I ever knew about him to the point that I have to wonder if he has lost his mind from the decades of self imposed isolation from group think political dynamics.
Nader simply realized that the out of control monetary policy is driving the world towards WWIII. Anyone with a brain can see that. So then the question is, who is the best person to get it under control...
Yep, same here.
what you have written is good stuff - keep at it! there is a strain of libertarian socialism but the form of libertarianism today is all about freedom of capital - complete freedom for money - buy the land, buy the water and sell it to the highest bidder and the rest can starve - they would like to put it in the language of the best system for the mass of the people (and maybe some believe that) but it is very twisted. as to nader i would like to know exactly what he said but if obama runs against Ron Lawl in might vote for ron!
Yeah, it's nostalgia for the Gilded Age, all wrapped in noble-sounding ideas about perfect liberty and the founding fathers. It's a con. It's getting people to vote against their interests.
And is it working on you? I am no fan of Obama but I'm just not one to cut off my nose in spite of my face, ya know? I think Obama has been railroaded by forces we can't even see. He feels like he has little choice but to continue on our neoliberal course. Sure maybe if he had the personality of a Roosevelt or even a Kennedy it would be different... But I think he is still basically for the common good. I don't think that's true of Ron Lawl. Ron Lawl is about making far-right ideas sound good to the far left, and it's scary how well it works.
Yeah Chomsky's libertarianism is good stuff but not at all what these folks are talking about.
don't really agree about obama - clinton style dem. i like ron's foreign policy
You're right, he is pretty obviously a neoliberal like Clinton (I'm just not sure he started out that way), but going libertarian is like putting the final nail in the coffin of FDR's legacy. I agree on foreign policy.. I just don't think that's enough for me..
we agree - no surprise - don't think it is enough for me either - we can debate it when they run against each other! i have had enough of the ron fanatics today - just got back from the park in nyc and debated a couple of religious converts
It is zealotry, no doubt. Ever watch/listen to Alex Jones? I think he's behind a lot of it... Talk about scary.
Bankers Vote for Ron Lawl and the Libertarian Koch brothers.
Ron Lawl and the Libertarian Kochs United will take over America democratically! Praise be to GOD and Koch Amen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOCHAv25uTw
Ron Lawl supporters, Ron Lawl wants you to donate to OWS,
http://occupywallst.org/donate/
It would make more sense to describe Libertarians as equal to Jeffersonians.
Their views are almost all derived from Thomas Jefferson, or agree with him. So if you agree with TJ you'll be 99% in agreement with the LP too.
I mostly agree with TJ's actual policies as president, and with his rhetoric - some of which is quite progressive relating to the power of the state over corporations, etc.
I also voted for Nader and I'm shocked he has supported Ron Lawl. Glad to see some Nader folks are not Lemmings that would support him no matter what he says or does.
Well friend I like to think that being an Independent voter is a thought out choice and so are the candidates that I support.
Wish more people in this country would do the same.
"The only overlap is on foreign policy, and for very different reasons."
That's very true. We should really focus on the issues rather than political parties.
That's how people should have always FUCKING viewed politics. Ludicrous.
Paul and Kucinich also agreed on Auditing the Fed
And demolishing the Fed.
And opposing passage of Pelosicare, although Kucinich later changed his vote when Obama gave him a ride on his airplane. (Makes me wonder how much money O gave to K.)
"And demolishing the Fed."
No.
Also, Kucinich opposed because he wanted single-payer Medicare for all. This is a shallow attempt to reconcile diametrically-opposed ideas.
you have more staying power than i do - these people are religious fanatics but it seems some of them are capable of thought - so once again - keep it up!
They do exhaust me, but the stakes seem pretty high, so I keep coming back for more... Thanks again for the encouragement. :)
Kucinich doesn't want to demolish the central banking monopoly called the Federal Reserve? I thought for certain he did. Hmmmm.
I'm pretty sure he wants it transparent and probably nationalized (get rid of private components).
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No, an independent but public Fed that is not subject to political machinations or bankers' whims.
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Ron Lawl is a wingnut, and an enemy of the people and posting things about his campaign on this forum is spamming and trolling and a patent abuse of this space.
I wont vote for him cause he says hes a repub, thats all that matters. Obama says hes a dem so ill vote for him, plus hes black and thats so cool (never had a black friend, they always picked on me in school)
I really love the way this countrys going under a dem and thats all that matters. Imagine it under a repub! omg! so much worst. What matters is that we have a president that will keep us safe from Iran, perfect timing I must say since were leaving Iraq. Teach them to try to kill a saudi ambassador on our soil! And TSA is keeping us so much safer, glad those terrorist won't try to put a bomb in a kids underwear cause guess what? We will pat them down and find it. USA USA USA. And fuck you Pakistan, you think you can hide some terrorist well say hello to my lil friend the predator drone! BOOM. 175 kids killed since Obama been in office but thats a small price to pay to keep us safe and thats all that matters. DEMOCRAT FTW!
That was a beautiful piece of sarcasm.
Or irony. Or satire.
Or whatever the hell it's called.
Thanks for your support!
Ron Lawl Hitler and David Koch Hitler, brothers of a kind.
Freedom means we can't force the 1% to give us stuff. so take that crap elsewhere
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