Forum Post: Time To Do This
Posted 12 years ago on Aug. 14, 2012, 9:50 a.m. EST by gbrown
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Occupy has protested everywhere.
Newt has called the 99 percent "destructive, hostile and anti-civilized". He even went as far as saying "there is no 99 percent".
Romney told one protester "America is right and you are wrong".
And the list goes on......
Well, news flash..... WE ARE AMERICA
WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE HURTING
WE ARE THE ONES THAT FEEL THE PAIN
WE ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP THIS COUNTRY GOING
How many of us don't have enough to eat, don't have roofs over our head, don't have our basic needs covered?
The protests brought publicity, but now it is time for action.
I am proposing that the Occupy movement does exactly what the Tea Party movement has done.
I am proposing that we all come together and start our own political party.
Together, we have the strength of millions. That type of strength cannot be ignored.
Let's move our protests to the political arena.
In the next few days, I will be starting a PAC to help US, the 99 percent, break into politics. We won't have the backing of the rich. Corporations will not flock to our cause. BUT if we can effectively get our message out there, we will have millions of us who can organize, campaign and possibly even donate 1.00 per month to get our candidates elected. WE CAN GET OUR CANDIDATES IN THE PUBLIC ARENA!
In order to do this, we will need a board of directors, national managers, workers in every state and much more. We need people who would be willing to be coached and run for public office. We need people who can talk to people and help them understand. We can put so many people to work, in good paying positions. We could effectively change politics in this country.
We are tired of living hand to mouth. We are tired of paying for the rich while the poor get slaughtered with "entitlement cuts". We are tired of our unfair tax system.
Let Do This!
I am more than excited to hear your thoughts on this idea. If you agree, disagree, want to be involved, want to run for office or anything else, please email me with your thoughts, your ideas, etc.....
99forAmerica@gmail.com
It seems to me that vast numbers of people are beginning to feel the ground shifting beneath them.As far as organizing,the challenge is to try to organize around being "for" something.I will soon be moving from a rural/exurban area to a small city and I do plan to try to start organizing the community but at the moment the only broad based agreement I can recognize is being "for" reform of both campaign law and campaign finance law and "for" a constitutional amendment to set aside Citizens United.Probably many people would agree with those propositions as when those two are accomplished,all other problems that are currently making life unbearable for so many of us could be approached.That being said,it seems like it would be difficult to harness the seething anger out there except by having alot of reference to people being against the elite ceo/politician/robber baron/lobbyist class,the corporations/giant banks,the TARP bailout and proposed austerity measures.People in my local area are becoming more and more desperate and nowadays there seems to be at least 2 bank robberies every month.One thing the occupy movement has not apparently done is come up with business plans that could provide people with jobs if startup money could be secured.That would give a big boost to the credibility of #OWS
I can come up with a plan but I can't do it by myself. I really believe that if we can get enough people involved in the start up, the rest will come.
You do know what's involved in starting a political party, don't you? Here's a post of mine with a lot of pertinent info:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/third-party-redux/
Yes, I am aware of what is involved. I also know that if we can protest in the numbers that we are, we are stronger than we know. In numbers, we could be contenders. Look at the Tea Party. All we need is the same media coverage (which we would get) and a strong base (which we could have). I understand the concerns and that it would not be easy BUT it could be done.,....again, with help.
http://www.justicepartyusa.org/
Already organized, running and setting up for 2014 in local races.
http://www.justicepartyusa.org/
That's great! I have some questions ....
Your ideas are great. What is your financial plan? (That is going to be a big question)
What is the plan to organize?
Are there any State Reps outside of Utah? What is your plan for getting state reps elected?
There are so many questions that I have. Thanks for the info.
I emailed those to the Washington state campaign.
They say they respond personally in 24 hours.
I'll get back on this when I find out more.
They say their planning to run more state & local in 2014.
I just joined the state level, last night.
I would like to see a financial plan, but the outline, less military, remind bush cuts for millionaires, the whole tone and direction is away from duopoly, and to the people.
At the state level ,donate 10 dollars or 5 hours and you are a member.
They're looking for people to create a specific platform this November, and it will include something like glass-steagle.
http://www.justicepartywa.org/ Justice Party of Washington State
It can be done, yes. There's also the option of co-opting an existing third-party, something you've already considered, I'll bet. The only downside of that is most of them already have a 'brand,' so to speak. I'm mulling over ideas about the whole third party concept with an eye on 2016, since it's too late this year. There's a lot to consider. I've actually made two posts about third-parties, the first was mainly the numbers involved:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-numbers-are-there-it-just-take-determination-a/
If you get a chance, check through my two links and let me know.
Can you come to NYC in September?If you can,we might be able to get some people interested in starting an #OWS owned business.I have an idea for something that could be started using things that I am sure we already have going for us-if you could come,I would be very easy for you to identify-LOL-and I will definately be there
I will definitely try to come. I do want to reiterate that I believe that we have to move beyond protesting. I am so sick of hearing how we are anti-American troublemakers who all need to take baths. I say we take it to their level.
Oh give me a break. OWS is sooo over. For the most part just a bunch a over-privileged, over-idealistic kids looking for a street party. The real 99% are working folks just trying to get by. The anarchists have nothing to offer the real 99%. But I suspect you already know that.
In our group the members range from early twenties to mid sixties, with the average around 50. In the streets as we protest we get positive response from every age group and social class, even in our conservative and financially secure area. Seniors support us as much as kids do. We get thumbs up from old Volkswagens to new Hummers. Positive response is up, not down.
OWS is far from over. The conditions that gave birth to our movement have not diminished but have increased. People are waking up. Don't judge Occupy by what you see on TV. That's just the tip of the iceberg of discontent that runs through the heart of this country and world.
So what will you do to prevent the loss of political and economic freedoms? You see what's happening. What is your solution?
Whatever the solution is, it isn’t a bunch of borderline terrorist anarchists destroying private businesses, breaking windows and harassing the cops. Average working class Americans won’t buy into the Marxist rebel ideas. If your group really is as diverse as you say I’d say it’s the exception. I’m an old guy, in my mid-sixties; and I’ve never even met anyone who had good things to say about OWS.
I stand by my original statement. For the most part OWS is a bunch a over-privileged, over-idealistic kids looking for a street party. OWS has done nothing that would change that perception. The real 99% simply can’t relate to the anarchist thugs.
If OWS is to survive and accomplish anything it will have to focus on a few select issues the masses can relate to. I just haven’t seen that. So, Yes, I do believe OWS is dieing. No one can relate to them.
Actually you've met many people here who have good things to say about OWS. Basing your perception on a few news reports designed to exaggerate rather than to educate only reinforces the stereotypes that already exist in your mind.
As you lay your blanket of media induced inaccuracies down here, pull that blanket down from in front of your eyes and look at the utter contempt that corporate America has for your most basic freedom, the right to express yourself through your vote. When Democracy is auctioned to the highest bidder, it becomes a prostitute, and the flag that draped her voluptuous curves lies trampled on the ground. She lies naked and bruised, but you refuse to prosecute the attacker.
We are engaged in a battle with the 1% at the top, when in reality our battle should be with the 99% at the bottom. They see the terrible inequities, but do nothing. The good upstanding people, the moral fiber of our nation, have become limp and powerless. They speak of freedom and justice but stand down in the face of oppression and injustice. And when a few do stand up, occupying the void that the 99% refuse to fill, they are attacked, and the tyranny of the 1% continues, growing ever larger. Is this the legacy you are willing to leave to your grand children? Should they have to fight for the justice you are unwilling to?
Occupy exists because the 99% have failed to act. All we are asking is that you stand up, if not with us, then at least against our common enemy.
Wow - are you kept in the dark and fed shit(?) or What? I mean your perception of reality is really screwed-up. Do you watch fuxspews? Or are you just fairly isolated out in the boonies with only a phone line to civilization? Did you used to frequent a Tea Party site but got lost one day and found yourself here?
Ok, now we’re down to name calling. Who wins, the one who hurls the worst insults? I’ll pass on the insults and stay on topic.
For the record I don’t like or watch Fox News. And I think the Tea Party is only slightly more sane than OWS. But the Tea Party is focused; and actually accomplishing their goals. On the other hand OWS embraces every lost cause and crazy idea that comes along. They do not focus on the real world, just on their utopian view of they’d like it o be.
So, My reality is much more true than OWS’s. I agree with a lot of what OWS wants, they’re just so distracted by so many side issues they can’t get anything done. How can anyone not se that?
I did not call you a name - I just find it rather incredulous that you would come to a pro OWS site and spew garbage and figure to be left alone.
Point taken. I probablky shouldn't be here. I just thought a few inflamatory statements may shock someone into reality. OWS is not focused and not being taken seriously by the masses. I just want OWS to stop trying to be everything to everyone.
Focus, select some issues, try to deal with issues people can better relate to. Then just maybe OWS can change some hearts and minds. Without the people you will not make a difference. That's my whole point.
The whole point actually is - That the rot has spread far and wide and no one is being left unaffected by it - Everyone has skin in the game - we all have reasons to support OWS and all Occupy movements - Here - and Around the World.
Aw man, that's just a sound bite with no meaning. A pep rally statement. Kind of like saying 99% when you know it's not true.
So, I'll quit now. Maybe, at some point, OWS will come to its senses. Best of luck to you.
We don't want to hear the Indomitable Can't Do Refrain.There really is nothing you can say that will cause #OWS to give up and dissolve into Loser Lamentations such as what you have just imparted here.We The People are collectively determined to keep on trying to survive,regardless of obstacles.One thing we do know-what comes out of #OWS will be at least equal to what we put into it,and we are more than satisfied to define ourselves by the courage we bring to the struggle."Don't cry-Occupy!"
I’m not trying to be rude, I really not. Just an attempt to shock some people into reality. OWS doesn’t need any help to dissolve. It’s dissolving all by itself. There isn’t any support from the masses. The real 99% is too concerned about paying their bills, keeping their job and raising their kids to pay attention to a bunch of antiracists breaking store windows.
If there is any chance at all for OWS to survive it will have to focus on some specific issues the public can relate to. I don’t see that happening. Maybe there will be some splinter groups that focus on issues and accomplish something. But as it stands right now OWS makes more enemies than friends among the 99%.
Thanks for the uplifting and inspiring comment.
I think #OWS is doing reasonably well,and when I took the time to evaluate the posts on this forum,I soon discovered another person who thinks as I do,that a large part of the job #OWS has ahead of it is in the area of starting worker owned enterprises to provide people with JOBS ASAP.So if you look at #OWS and you don't see what you want to see,you can do something about it.I intend to attend the General Assemblies in September to try to see if there is anyone around who agrees with me,that its time for #OWS to get out there in the business world in competition with everyone else and see what happens,and start getting out there in the political world with our own candidates as well.These things can be planned and accomplished because we have alot going for us already.I have already found a person who is looking at #OWS the same way I do,and I haven't even left my house.Consensus is possible,cooperative efforts hold great promise and ANOTHER WORLD IS POSSIBLE!
Good luck with your campaign - gotta have good dreams to strive for.
The Tea Party is not a political party. It is essentialy the far right wing of the Republican party. This is a very significant difference because tea party candidates were able to win elections because they used existing Republican voters. They fought heated primaries and may have alienated some independents but at the end of the day, most Republicans and some independents would rather vote for a tea party backed candidate than a Democrat. If the tea party was an actual 3rd party it would not be nearly as successful because it would split votes with the Republican candidate (which, ironically, would have strengthened the Democratic candidates).
I am very familiar with the Tea Party and I do know how it has "piggy backed" the Republican Party. As much as I disagree with almost everything they stand for, they did a brilliant job of organizing. It's time to do the same. If it meant running as a Democratic or (in some cases) an Independent, it should still be done. Believe me, I don't want to strengthen the Republican ticket (which it would) but I want to get some of us in the local and national offices.
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