Forum Post: Thrash can take your screen name and use it as he likes.
Posted 12 years ago on May 21, 2012, 3:05 p.m. EST by frogmanofborneo
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from New York, NY
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This means that any and all posts are suspect and may have been generated by the entity we call "Thrash" or Thrashymaque". That's the reality of this forum s of now.
This is a bogus post to scare people away from using the site. nobody is hacking any accounts, there are not bots. The reason for this is simple, our troll was kicked out of the original OWS camp because he was authoritarian and a drama queen. At first I felt sorry for him because he is young but his need to obsess over this one website and group of OWS denotes criminal psychopathy and should be recognized and ignored, unless arguing with the mental makes you feel superior.
I never hacked an account, but I used to use bots for down voting conspiracy theorists and to automatically post pictures in their threads. I even shared the bot code at one point (you can confirm this with jart, she personally deleted that thread out of fear that others would use the code.) Jart also knows there are bots because she can check how fast they operate by looking at the site's logs. My bots would login in a few milliseconds (way too fast for a human).
I don't use bots anymore, but there are other people using bots nowadays.
You're a cook, and you have demonstrated more than once through your comments that you don't understand how bots work. For one, you have the strange notion that a bot would take away -100 karma points instead of something like -4 or -10. The fact is, bots can do anything you can do manually on the site, and taking away -4 is better because it isn't obvious like taking away -100 and still gets the job done. When my bots were perfected, they would take away 1 point every hour for around 6 hours. This made the attack more gradual and human like. Using that type of attack fooled everybody, even you. I remember once you claimed that it wasn't a bot because it acted too slowly. Interestingly, that was exactly what is was programmed to do.
In fact, one of the reasons there are bots here today is because of people like you who, instead of thinking logically, make all kind of assumptions. The only way to stop bots is to make a thorough investigation using the scientific method. Analyze who quickly they operate, what they do, what IP they're from, do they use a proxy, how often do they change their proxy, do they target a specific user, must they rely on human intervention to operate, etc...
One thing that would make bots way harder to use would be a Captcha on login. The reason is because without it bots can be automated to login and logout very quickly. With a Captcha, a bot operator would be needed to manually login the bot, greatly slowing down the attack. You see, for every down vote a registered user is needed. I login bigBot, downvote, logout, then login, teenyBot, downvote, then logout. That's -2. So, for each -1 you need a login. Your idea of a bot down voting to -100 is possible, but you would need 100 registered users, or some way to hack into the database. (Most bots don't hack or do anything illegal, they just automate manual process, that is, they send HTTP requests automatically instead of manually. They don't tamper with the database through nefarious means.)
So when does Sally Summers come online?
Hmm.... I haven't look at her status. I think she might be banned by now. Not sure.
Wrong. I hope the moderators and/or jart are aware of this situation. If they weren't they are now. I hope it's in their power to fix it.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thrash-admits-he-uses-other-posters-names-to-discr/
post comment Read the Rules [-] 2 points by richardkentgates (1918) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 8 hours ago This is a bogus post to scare people away from using the site. nobody is hacking any accounts, there are not bots. The reason for this is simple, our troll was kicked out of the original OWS camp because he was authoritarian and a drama queen. At first I felt sorry for him because he is young but his need to obsess over this one website and group of OWS denotes criminal psychopathy and should be recognized and ignored, unless arguing with the mental makes you feel superior. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink [-] 1 points by ClaraSprings (39) 15 hours ago The OP is a liar and a conspiracy theorist. I never hacked anyone's account. These nitwits are just too funny! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink [-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (68) from Bronx, NY 15 hours ago Go to hell. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink [-] 2 points by ClaraSprings (39) 15 hours ago Your conspiracy theories are my hell. Now, stop using hamster logic. Think boy, think. I never hacked anyone's account. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink . [-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (68) from Bronx, NY 3 minutes ago I'm no hamster buddy! I'm reporting your behavior to the moderators! I'm a grown man with a family. I have three beautiful entities. You're just an anarchist punk! Let me add that I never flunked a test in high school and I have an IQ of 115. Your hamster logic theory is bunk. It's bunk! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink [-] 1 points by ClaraSprings (39) 14 hours ago Hamster logic is hamster logic. It doesn't matter if you have an IQ of 180! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink [-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (68) from Bronx, NY 14 hours ago Very funny Thrash. And if someone has an IQ of let's say 100 can he still have a valid opinion? Just wondering.... ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink [-] 1 points by ClaraSprings (39) 14 hours ago If an opinion is valid, it's valid. Your hamster logic seems invalid to me, but if you claim you have an IQ of 115, then I believe you. Perhaps you simply had a bad teacher. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink [-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (68) from Bronx, NY 14 hours ago I'm going to allow you to play with the frogman name for a while. Have fun jerkoff. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink [-] 1 points by ClaraSprings (39) 14 hours ago Do you mind if I take over your ShubeLMorgan2 character permanently? You said you were not going to use him anymore? Iv'e been waiting to snatch the body of a conspiracy theorist. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink [-] 0 points by frogmanofborneo (68) from Bronx, NY 14 hours ago I do mind but there is not much I can do about it is there? I don't giove you that permission. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink [-] 1 points by ClaraSprings (39) 13 hours ago Since you're not using ShubeLMorgan2 anymore, I was thinking of turning him into a repenting conspiracy theorist. The story will go that he somehow realizes the wrong path he has chosen, then decides to turn in efforts towards logical thinking and the scientific method. I'll keep frogmanofborneo as the crazy conspiracy theorist who, with Renneye, push ideas so far that it makes them both look like complete idiots. You can create a new username. Just don't tell anyone what it is. Or, you can go back to one of your old ones, like alouis. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink [-] 1 points by Renneye (33) 1 day ago
I'm sure he would claim such. This would be exactly what I just said, an attempt to scare people away from using the forum. I'm not sure what you think your reply proved or disproved.
I cannot prove Thrash took over my name and posted stuff I would never say. I simply know that it happened and he proclaims that he can do it. I've notified the people in charge of this forum and i do hope that if there is a possible remedy they enact it.
I never hacked an account, but I used to use bots for down voting conspiracy theorists and to automatically post pictures in their threads. I even shared the bot code at one point (you can confirm this with jart, she personally deleted that thread out of fear that others would use the code.) Jart also knows there are bots because she can check how fast they operate by looking at the site's logs. My bots would login in a few milliseconds (way too fast for a human).
I don't use bots anymore, but there are other people using bots nowadays.
You're a cook, and you have demonstrated more than once through your comments that you don't understand how bots work. For one, you have the strange notion that a bot would take away -100 karma points instead of something like -4 or -10. The fact is, bots can do anything you can do manually on the site, and taking away -4 is better because it isn't obvious like taking away -100 and still gets the job done. When my bots were perfected, they would take away 1 point every hour for around 6 hours. This made the attack more gradual and human like. Using that type of attack fooled everybody, even you. I remember once you claimed that it wasn't a bot because it acted too slowly. Interestingly, that was exactly what is was programmed to do.
In fact, one of the reasons there are bots here today is because of people like you who, instead of thinking logically, make all kind of assumptions. The only way to stop bots is to make a thorough investigation using the scientific method. Analyze who quickly they operate, what they do, what IP they're from, do they use a proxy, how often do they change their proxy, do they target a specific user, must they rely on human intervention to operate, etc...
One thing that would make bots way harder to use would be a Captcha on login. The reason is because without it bots can be automated to login and logout very quickly. With a Captcha, a bot operator would be needed to manually login the bot, greatly slowing down the attack. You see, for every down vote a registered user is needed. I login bigBot, downvote, logout, then login, teenyBot, downvote, then logout. That's -2. So, for each -1 you need a login. Your idea of a bot down voting to -100 is possible, but you would need 100 registered users, or some way to hack into the database. (Most bots don't hack or do anything illegal, they just automate manual process, that is, they send HTTP requests automatically instead of manually. They don't tamper with the database through nefarious means.)
I never claimed to understand how you hijack screen names and post ridiculous conspiracy theories under those names. I just know it happens and so do you. I am not going to engage in semantics with you. I'd lose that contest but you'd still be a liar.
http://mittromenymagicalmormonunderwearbigot.blogspot.com/2012/05/freedom-of-speech-by-immortal-technique.html
All I know is that I didn't do what you accuse me of and the moderators have shadow banned your posting.
If you were telling the truth, why would the moderators shadow ban you? Wouldn't they be concerned and try to help you instead of hiding what you have to say?
Harvey Dent for president
I can confirm this. He has done this to me as well. I know of two others he has done this to as they PMed me and told me so. I will honour their privacy and not speak their names here...it is their decision if they want to come forward.
I can confirm this as well. He put words in my mouth so to speak.
Where, when, how? Show some proof for your claims.
In any case, if this is true, why has this thread been shadow banned? That is, it doesn't show up on posting anymore. It's hidden. The reason is, the admins know it's a bunch of lies.
You're nuts girl! Absolutely and utterly bonkers!
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[-] 1 points by Renneye (33) 1 hour ago
OMG! OMFG! I'm nuts?! Can you prove that the government is NOT made of shapeshifting reptilian overlords that control us via mind controlling computer chips embedded in our bodies? Can you prove that!
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[-] 1 points by ClaraSprings (39) 2 hours ago
There's nobody using mind controlling chips to control us. You watched The Manchurian too many times! Grow up, become logical.
Here, read some stuff on this site for a change. Only reading the Larouche website day in and day out is hurting you.
http://www.debunking911.com/
This post was not written by me, it is trashy typing as though its a real post:
[-] 1 points by Renneye (33) 1 hour ago
OMG! OMFG! I'm nuts?! Can you prove that the government is NOT made of shapeshifting reptilian overlords that control us via mind controlling computer chips embedded in our bodies? Can you prove that!
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Be aware that he can do this to anyone and I am know of 3 others that he has attacked this way.
Yep. I see what you mean. Check out the times. Not only are they black instead of grey but apparently 'ClaraSprings' answered 'Rennaye' an hour before 'Rennaye' even made her comment.
This posting has been shadow banned because frogmanofborneo is a liar. The moderators know that he is, so the posting has been hidden. Shame on those that attack others with lies.
http://mittromenymagicalmormonunderwearbigot.blogspot.com/2012/05/freedom-of-speech-by-immortal-technique.html
I see, you're just a spammer. Here to post your Truther links. Very well. Well, the moderators know you're just a spammer and that's why your posting has been shadow banned my friend.
Immortal Technique is about much more than 9/11. That's why OWS had him perform at their May Day Rally. He's really good and has a sense of humor too.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thrash-can-take-your-screen-name-and-use-it-as-he-/#comment-742338
Try it. Maybe you'll like it. http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4118882318673027194#editor/target=post;postID=6895233103489076641
A few postings ago you tried to make us believe that OWS supported the 911 Truth movement because it invited Immortal Technique. Are you now saying that it might be for another reason?
OW has a good working relationship with IT obviously and his trutherism is no problem to them. http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4118882318673027194#editor/target=post;postID=6895233103489076641
I agree. However, I think OWS should have major problems with the fact that it associates itself with Trutherism. It should be something to avoid like the plague.
I've revised the website title and URL
http://mittromney2012wouldbeanightmare.blogspot.com/2012/05/freedom-of-speech-by-immortal-technique.html
Why Mitt Romney Cannot Be President Of the United States Questions for Mitt Romney: Magical Mormon Underwear. Lying for The Lord, Bigotry, Secrecy and Polygamy
"[-] 1 points by ClaraSprings (39) 2 minutes ago Again, your logic is flawed. Predictable. Saying that 911 truthers are full of BS says nothing about whether or not I support what the government says. One can be bother against government nonsense and conspiracy theory nonsense. Now, why did you flounce yesterday? Why did you pretend to leave, but just changed usernames?"
Didn't happen that way. What was said was the name ShubeLMorgan2 wasn't going to be used here.
If you believe the US government is lying about 9/11 boy or if you even think they might be lying you are a conspiracy theorist too. Welcome to the club?
And if it is true as Noam Chomsky says that there is no evidence against bin Laden then surely the US government has been lying for these almost eleven years. Shouldn't that annoy you?
it matters not. The deed was done
the US killing some nobody happens pretty frequently
maybe it was bin ladan
does that make a difference?
bin ladan hasn't been a threat since 911 if he ever was
no trial
dead men tell no tales
Assassins - ballad of booth ( Victor Garber - Patrick Cassidy )
No, a conspiracy theorist is someone who presents or espouses an alternative theory of events. I believe what most of the US government says, but, for the things I don't believe, I don't present an alternative explanation because I have none.
The problem with conspiracy theorists is that their explanations make no sense and have no proof. If you make a claim, then you bear the burden of proof.
I really think this guy ShubeLMorgan2 suffers from a type of brain disease. A delusional illness, perhaps similar to schizophrenia.
The government lies, but conspiracy theorists lie even more. Every thing they say is a lie. They're lying machines. Both the government and conspiracy theorists piss me off.
Point out one lie about 9/11 that ShubeLMorgan2 posted. You have a nice evening. It's time for me to get some sleep.
Everything every published by the 911 Truth movement is a lie. So, supporting this movement and linking to documents that support it is propagating lies. That mentally ill conspiracy theorist ShubeLMorgan2 does nothing but talk about 911 Truth. He's here to divert the subject and waste our time.
Alright. Do you mind if I take over that name permanently?
The OP is a liar and a conspiracy theorist. I never hacked anyone's account. These nitwits are just too funny!
Go to hell.
Your conspiracy theories are my hell. Now, stop using hamster logic. Think boy, think. I never hacked anyone's account.
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[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (68) from Bronx, NY 3 minutes ago
I'm no hamster buddy! I'm reporting your behavior to the moderators! I'm a grown man with a family. I have three beautiful entities. You're just an anarchist punk!
Let me add that I never flunked a test in high school and I have an IQ of 115. Your hamster logic theory is bunk. It's bunk!
Very funny Thrash. And if someone has an IQ of let's say 100 can he still have a valid opinion? Just wondering....
Depends on what we're talking about? 100 is about average, so for most stuff, yes of course (although probably not nuclear physics) :)
If an opinion is valid, it's valid. Your hamster logic seems invalid to me, but if you claim you have an IQ of 115, then I believe you. Perhaps you simply had a bad teacher.
I'm going to allow you to play with the frogman name for a while. Have fun jerkoff.
Do you mind if I take over your ShubeLMorgan2 character permanently? You said you were not going to use him anymore? Iv'e been waiting to snatch the body of a conspiracy theorist.
I do mind but there is not much I can do about it is there? I don't giove you that permission.
Since you're not using ShubeLMorgan2 anymore, I was thinking of turning him into a repenting conspiracy theorist. The story will go that he somehow realizes the wrong path he has chosen, then decides to turn in efforts towards logical thinking and the scientific method.
I'll keep frogmanofborneo as the crazy conspiracy theorist who, with Renneye, push ideas so far that it makes them both look like complete idiots.
You can create a new username. Just don't tell anyone what it is. Or, you can go back to one of your old ones, like alouis.
Overactive imagination when it comes to conspiracy theories, suggests elevated brain dopamine levels (assuming there's not really a conspiracy) :)
How do your plans comport with the forum rules you claim to fight for?
Hamster logic is hamster logic. It doesn't matter if you have an IQ of 180!
Conspiracy theorists are lovely!
I'm an entity now!
Now Thrash, this site has been invaded at times by outright overtly racist and anti Semitic posters. Have you even one time taken up the cudgels against any of that? When I see that sort of thing I notify the administrators right away. Do you even do that?
I used to attack anti-semites, racists, and have personally alerted jart to many users posting anti-homosexual material. I'm proud to say a high number of users have been banned because of my work. You can confirm this with jart.
Good, at least you are consistent. I take your word for it. I don't have to ask jart. I'm sure she's busy enough.
Of course I'm consistent. I live for logic. I don't spread rumors and lies like you with this posting. You should be ashamed to bring down OWS like that. We must promote logic, not pseudoscience nonsense.
Entity
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the generic concept of an entity. For specific uses, see Entity (disambiguation).
An entity is something that exists by itself, although it need not be of material existence. In particular, abstractions and legal fictions are usually regarded as entities. In general, there is also no presumption that an entity is animate.
In business, an entity is a person, department, team, corporation, cooperative, partnership, or other group with whom it is possible to conduct business.
Sometimes, the word entity is used in a general sense of a being,
You guys crack me up! Entity! Ah ah! Damn conspiracy theorists!
Thrash is an enemy of OWS. He blames OWS supporters who get brutalized by thug cops for the actions of the thug cops. I shudder to imagine that he has enablers among the moderators. I don't know and I really hope not.
http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/03/05/1243235/github-hacked
Oh for God's sake this is ridiculous. Thras never took anyone's screen name. He typed a post. There was no hocus pocus. It's called t-y-p-y-i-n-g people!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/alert-thrasymaque-has-hijacked-my-renneye-moniker-/#comment-740587
"Typying"?
Sigh.
I hope for the sake of humanity you did that on purpose.
lol. Too funny. That's at least my second typyo today. : )
Join me in my quest for scientific evidence to confirm my predetermined conclusions about others.
Helps my self-esteem.
I'll pass. Go quest yourself.
How does he take your screen name?
Maybe he has access to phpmyadmin or the equivalent.
http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/03/05/1243235/github-hacked
Or maybe he knows how to type. You know how to type too don'tcha?
The typing I seem to manage, it is the substance that bedevils me.
If I may be so brazen, there is a kind of confession in coincidence.
Thras didn't take anyone's screen name.
I'm not at war with the man behind the curtain. Indeed, for the most part, I am aligned in thought with his grievances.
You mean the "entity". lol. He never took over anyone's user id, like the OP accuses. This is the dumbest post on the board right now. See my post above.
I do not know if Thrash is a he, a she, an it, a they, an orgaization. Rather than speculate I use the term "entity"
en·ti·ty [en-ti-tee] Show IPA noun, plural en·ti·ties. 1. something that has a real existence; thing: corporeal entities. 2. being or existence, especially when considered as distinct, independent, or self-contained: He conceived of society as composed of particular entities requiring special treatment. 3. essential nature: The entity of justice is universality.
Lol! You're a real conspiracy theorist nutjob! You guys like all these fancy words like "Elite". You can't just call me a forum user like everyone else. Ah well! No matter conspiracy theory boy! I like being called an entity.
It doesn't take a genius to know that this website has enemies and that they have in fact attacked the website several times in several ways. You might just be a freelance asshole, you might be more than that, I don't know, I can't know so I don't say.
You can't know so you don't say?
This whole post is based on something you don't know, but are saying. It's a lie. I never highjacked anyone's account. You are propagating rubbish rumors.
I think you are here to attack this site. You and your conspiracy theorist friends like Renneye. You are here to make us waste our time with your lies and nonsense. Hamster logic nonsense.
I never said you hijacked an account. it has been said and is obvious that you have managed by your cleverness to use the names of other posters on this forum to put up comments meant to discredit them, even violating your own and the forum's rules to do so. How you do it, I don't know. It's beyond my knowledge and experience. You vandalize, take over the names of others and generally act like a jerk because you can't back up your objections to ShubeLMorgan's posts and comments about 9/11.
I can't back up my objections?
Actually the US government bears the burden of proof. If you insist on representing them, then you do too. I have said things that are clearly known about 9/11. I have mentioned only facts about 9/11 and what should be obvious- that it matters very much who did that deed and why. This sends you into incredible snit fits. You resort to thug tactics because you have no valid responses.
PS Occupy Wall Street clearly does invite and utilize the talents and endorsement of Immortal Technique who is in your terms, a notorious "truther" and "conspiracy theorist".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJuxb7HddOM
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=immortal+technique+may+bin+laden+didn%27t&oq=immortal+technique+may+bin+laden+didn%27t&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=youtube.12...20869.31941.0.34361.26.26.0.0.0.0.76.1877.26.26.0...0.0.cw3i0VTUwOo
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=immortal+technique+may+day+occupy&oq=immortal+technique+may+day+occupy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=youtube-reduced.12...36174.45565.0.49002.35.18.1.16.16.0.90.1334.18.18.0...0.0.7SaJdlZF06g
Again, your logic is flawed. Predictable.
Saying that 911 truthers are full of BS says nothing about whether or not I support what the government says. One can be both against government nonsense and conspiracy theory nonsense.
Now, why did you flounce yesterday? Why did you pretend to leave, but just changed usernames?
Public Enemy - 911 (Is A Joke)
could be dyslexia or phonics
The source code for this site is available for all to view if you click on the github link at the bottom of any page. It is possible that in this case having that source available for all allowed for exploits to be written.
IDK if this is true or not, but it IS plausible.
Is it plausible to assume you are a conspiracy theorist?
I said it was plausible, not true.
The fact is, that code is available for all to see anytime they want to. That's the downside to having open-source software running this site.
Actually, it's an upside. It makes it more secure. It was proven time and time again that having more eyes look at code gives more chances of finding bugs which helps in security. On top of that, the code is based on a widely used Framework called Django on which thousands of programmers have worked. The whole authorization routine is quite secure.
Your spreading falsities. Don't do that.
I generally like open source software, but not in this case.
This is like setting up a security system at home while telling thieves how the locks work, what exactly is in the locks, etc. Unfortunately a couple of people have used that information to write bots. IDK if this particular claim is true, but we have people confessing to the bots at least.
Again, experience and experiments have shown the opposite to be true. Open source software which use a lot of programmers like the Django Framework is more secure than most closed source systems. On the desktop front, Linux is extremely secure as opposed to Windows. The examples are countless.
The fact that you believe writing bots has anything to do with looking up source code shows that you don't really know what you are talking about. I was one of the first to write bots for this website, and I did not look at the source to accomplish this. In fact, I could write bots for any site on the web whether I know the source code or not. All a bot does is send requests that you would normally send manually via clicks. One just needs to analyze the requests being sent via a simple program like an HTTP request sniffer to accomplish this. Many Firefox plugins can do this. Once you know how the request is formed, you simply need to construct it programmatically and the bot can do his things without supervision.
You are spreading a misconception. I suggest you read articles written on the subject. You will see that open-source code is generally more secure than closed source code. In any case, the particular code for this website, the Django Framework, has existed for years and has proven extremely robust.
In passing, I'd like to say that I have given a few recommendations to make the using of bots more difficult. One thing that would hamper bots extremely would be to use a Captcha on login (not only signup). This means a bot would need the help of a human to login, forcing a bot creator to baby sit his bots a lot more. The fact that login in can be done very easily has permitted me to unleash my bots and to make them login and logout all automatically while I go out and drink beers with my friends.
http://collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Gullivers_Travels/gulliver_travels_tied_by_lilliputians.jpg
Bruteforcing it.
I drive a car but I am not an automotive engineer. I hear a strange noise under the hood nd I can guess what it might be but I take it to a trusted expert. That person (entity?) decides what the problem is and the correct course of action to take. Ditto my computer and the internet. I see something strange but I can't fix it. i do believe that if i knew how Thrash does what he does, I'd do it too.
http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/03/05/1243235/github-hacked