Forum Post: Thomas Jefferson was right! ABOUT EVERYTHING
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 2:56 a.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic
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It is neither wealth nor splendor, but tranquility and occupation which give happiness. Thomas Jefferson
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson
Never spend your money before you have it. Thomas Jefferson
I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it.
Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. Thomas Jefferson Thomas Jefferson
Great post, but I think they need to occupy the only republics left -- their state houses.
The United States of America, Inc. is a private, for-profit company incorporated in the state of Delaware, and so is the military (it is a separate private company). Private companies don't have to listen to The People; republics do have to listen to The People.
Occupy your state houses and demand that our federal level be un-incorporated in Chancery Court in Delaware, and that it be put into receivership into the hands of The People. Then, the U.S. will no longer be a private company and will have to operate according to the will of The People which is codified in The U.S. Constitution. Your states have to guarantee you a republican form of government. This is a clause written into the state constitutions.
If you tell them that you have not agreed to being ruled by a private company (a consortium of private companies in actually), they have to fix it because it is in their state laws.
This would be a very effective way to bust the federal government back to being a republic ruled by a body of laws instead of a body of tyrannts. You can then have state public hearings and ask the states to fix the out-of-control federal government. You can give the states your demands. But, be reasonable.
A short list of the worse offenses that need fixed. End Corporate Government. End the Wars, End the Fed. End the Income Tax. End Corporate Campaign Finance. Institute a Tobin Tax to Fund the Domestic Assistance Programs. Two Term Limit. Etc.
Don't get crazy with it; Do like Jefferson would want you to do and take the government back by mass action at the grassroots level. The People are the government, and the states Have to respect That and enforce the will of The People. It is the way our system is supposed to work.
Use It.
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These words are specific, meant to protect against what is going on in government now.
It is the duty of THE PEOPLE...
"..it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Reading, understanding and living by it's meaning. Protect America.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security...
Now is the time of the 99%
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As concerned US citizens we would all do well to study our nation's founders and their writings.
How many here know what President Andrew Jackson's epitaph was? I was surprised to read this on OWS's sister site.
check it out here:
http://www.occupytogether.org/discuss/#/discussion/1247/how-many-were-assassinated-trying-to-get-away-from-the-feds
How many were assassinated trying to get away from the FED? Off the top of the head they tried to get to get Andrew Jackson's as his tomb says "I killed the bank" President Lincoln tried to get away from the Euro with Green Backs and was Assassinated President Garfield tried to get away from the FED and was assassinated President JFK tied using interest free United States silver certificate notes and was assassinated Gadaffy recently tried using Dinars instead of American dollars to pay for oil and was assassinated I am sure there are hundreds if not thousands of others.
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How about these words? Or do you not recognize them.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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the declaration of independence. I've read it multiple times throughout my life. Most recently about 2 weeks ago.
If you replace Great Britain with our government and members of the corrupt in the list of grievances, we are in a similar situation.
Please don't compare a group that fought with their life on the line to gain independence from a true tyranny to the Occupy movement. Until people in OWS start getting mowed down in the streets and take up arms, it's downright disrespectful to those who fought to establish America.
Please read the declaration of independence again. We all have the same corrupt government. Not just the people of OWS. Which is why Fox News speaks out against the government all the time.
From Crazy Left to Crazy Right, We Must Unite.
That doesn't mean you can compare yourself to someone who gave their life to a cause. Sitting in a park and fighting in a war for independence are two totally different things.
It's abhorrent that you actually think you can compare yourself to them.
I'm not in a fucking park. I'm not in OWS. I'm in a different state. You haters and your assumptions.
Even if you are not in OWS or in a park, you still made the original comparison and my point still stands. What you said was ignorant, simple as that.
Read the declaration of independence again. Our government is corrupt.
You just don't listen, do you? I could read the DOI all day and it still won't change the fact that what you said was unwarranted importance for the Occupy movement and it's members.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=836zuvDa61A&feature=related
So you just spend your free time on a website to hate against people in OWS?
Wow your life is going well.
Now you're moving onto ad hominem. I guess you ran out of straws to pick?
Cle', You have proven your intelligence and your ignorance and have expressed enough so all can see what your true intentions are. The OWS does not profess to comparison, it speaks to the right and the duty of all Americans, best described in the last sentence...
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
So before you attempt to show us ignorance again under the pretense of being offended, where are you when America needs you?
Once again, sitting in a park =/= giving your life for a cause.
In both cases you may be attempting to alter or abolish your government, but it's two totally different circumstances.
It is more than our right, it is our duty...
Those Patriots flooding cities all over this country come from all political and ethnic backgrounds. They believe in what made this country great, and in it's time of need have and will continue to react, even if you choose not:
When others oppose this movement, show them this...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." . "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
The last sentence is what OWS is all about...
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
This is not political...
I really don't know how I can make it any more basic. So, forget it.
Keep believing that OWS protestors are even a smidge as dedicated as any independence patriot.
Truth
OWS is not anticorporation and anti-banks. It is against corporations that abuse their power and are infiltrating our government. It is against the abuse of the monetary system that the federal reserve is responsible for. We have a debt based privatized monetary system that is not in the constitution. The abuse of Wall Street, the federal reserve, and the government has caused our US dollar to decrease in value drastically over the past 14 years.
Propose a bill to end the patriot act.
Propose a bill to end massive contributions from lobbyists, unions, and corporate influences. The "supreme" court ruled McCain-Feingold unconstitutional. Obviously the supreme court is corrupt. They claimed that "McCain-Feingold" denied "free speech" even though 1: Money isn't free and 2: 100% of US citizens still would have had freedom of speech and the ability to contribute to campaigns. So how was the supreme court able to say it suppresses free speech? Another fact, a lot of corporations are owned through many investors. Sometimes these investors are foreigners. I didn't know foreigners in other countries were allowed to participate in our government. The government is supposed to be governed by it's people. I feel like most members of the government have never read the constitution.
I'd say propose a bill to nationalize the federal reserve but that bill has already been created and is being reviewed by the Financial Institutions and Credit Committee. Look up The National Emergency Employment Defense Act of 2011.
All these rich people keep telling us that our country is in massive debt... all the while they keep making more money. These rich people are members of congress and the president.
"Both parties are rotten - how could they not be, given the complete infestation of the political system by corporate money on a scale that now requires a presidential candidate to raise upwards of a billion dollars to be competitive in the general election?"
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS BASED ON LIES from Bush to Obama it's still the same war monger.
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it."
Italics on the "hard work" part and not the "protest because somebody else is richer than me" part...oh wait...that isn't even part of the quote...
I am beginning to learn the relevance of "Common Sense" by Thomas Paine, as well.
Yeah, please bring back slavery!! I need slaves to work for me at my bank!
Guys, think for yourselves. Jefferson was also a big slave owner and saw nothing wrong with it. Not everything Jefferson believed in was right.
You have your own brains; it's about the same size and just as good as Jefferson's. Pick and choose the best ideas from people.
Seldom is anyone person 100% right about everything, Jefferson included. (I'm not saying he's 100% wrong.) There were other founding fathers who disagreed with some of what he believed in.
Careful banker, you should fear the words of Jefferson...
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson
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Did you read his quotes or are you just using his name because it sounds good.
Never spend your money before you have it. - Apparently you want to NEVER spend your money...You would prefer someone else's
I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it. - Try work!!! Work Hard!!! As someone that works hard, luck has ALWAYS followed...
You say these things like you KNOW who I am. You don't know me.
Where do I work? Have you seen me work? Do you know how much or how little debts I have?
Exactly. Your assumptions make you look foolish.
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Yeah, please bring back slavery!! I need slaves to work for me at my bank!
Bank tellers already are pretty much slaves.