Forum Post: This "movement" will go nowhere..
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 12:09 a.m. EST by Idahoamerican
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There has been no point. Nobody in this country understands what it is that you want..other than the fact that you're pissed off about the general situation our country is in...but hell, everybody is pissed off at SOMEthing. The media makes you look like pot smoking idiots, and I have to agree because not one person I talk to or read about has a clue about what it is that OWS is trying to do. You have to have a spokeperson, if not a leader. You must choose something to be changed...just one thing at a time. And you must approach is as Americans that want a BETTER life..not handouts. Until these things can happen, It's just dumb..and the whole world is laughing at you.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi
India would not be where it is today without the British Raj. and Gandi was assasinated by one of his own.
Hey bro, you need to "scratch your head" a little more and do your homework. Gandhi was assassinated by a Hindu FANATIC belonging to a extremist group that objected to Gandhi's commitment to Hindu-Muslim dialogue.
But I won't waste my time with you as you sound like one of those white supremacist characters extolling the blessings of colonialism, etc. Bye bye, have a good life!
Exactly.
We need to Boycott Imported Goods Buy Made in the USA!!!
I made a post early to create a MISSION STATEMENT and only one person commented. No one knows what the MISSION STATEMENT is. I agree with you Idaho.
@idaho, pessimism will go nowhere, do you like the status quo?
personally, i think the place to start is getting big money out of politics
I think the protesters of the OccupyWallSt have better philosophical sensibility/sensitivity. What they feel and want are not things that can be easily explained in words, I suppose. I think the OccupyWallSt' movement has a potential to become something much greater than mere protesters who demand job opportunities/equality/better life for themselves. I think their being leaderless is one of the proofs that shows they are not ordinary protesters. I want to see what they will become.
Besides, I do not think their demands are so vague. Do they have to be experts on economy or politics to be protesters? I do not think so. It seems like there are economists or former wall street workers among them. So, I think their demands will become more and more specific.
(Pls look into Sweden, Cuba and other countries that have different values from your own. Pls learn a little about philosophy. I think there are experts in these fields among you, though.)
Poverty is the worst form of violence. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Something about the US makes me want to quote this.
I agree. What is the point? Everyone acts like the government was the cause of all this but when in fact, it was the people. People kept buying things they could not afford. If you make 45,000 a year, don't buy a $500,000 home or a $30,000 car. Once the temperatures drop, everyone will leave because they will not be able to withstand the cold weather.
In the middle east their movements have overthrown their governments. OWS is not trying to overthrow the government. What end result are we going to achieve? How?
we do not need any leader that hierarchy. we do need direct democracy. thats happening slowly. whats needed is a wiki, and those may yet still get up and running. and not just one thing at a time- 1001 things, each detailed up. Nobody is talking about handouts. You are trolling, and you are preaching without bothering to look into what we are about.
The next month when the protests are going even stronger than they were the last month You guys are not gonna make it! you are failing! stawp it! you're making us feel uncomfortable! You're being unpatriotic! Real patriots just shut up and take it! staaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwpp ittttttttttttttt.
how about instead of watching your TV, you do your own research, you would find out quickly that you have no clue what is really happening here. They are laughing at you friend, they lie to you and you recycle their lies. I say stand up for yourself and turn off your television. it is controlled by the money. can't you see that?
Actually, I agree with you. This movement will go nowhere since we will stay at Liberty Park. I believe we never said we would go
OK, let me be blunt the whole point in this is about educating America that there are things that can and should be done to change the socioeconomic issues we have today. Its not about demanding something... from who? who's going to follow those demands? Corporations have alrady shown that they have more political power in congress then the vocal minority that call there congressmen.
It will only happen when Americans get off there ass and stop being fed by the media and TV and start preparing for capitalism to be turned on its head. It will be turn on its head not by OWS but by the system itself... These corporations have shot themselves in the foot. It has become a runaway system that is unsustainable.
I am all for the idea behind the movement, but there needs to be some general goals and organization in order for anything to change. Right now, it seems a lot of people are frustrated that they aren't getting what they deserve. I believe that this frustration is acceptable and necessary, but an effective protest evolves into something more. Ok, we have shown we are sick of this, now let's focus on what we will actually do to change it. I believe that the core values of society are the fundamental root of this issue. How could we get Wall Street to fail? If we don't value the money they so desperately want to maintain control of, then what power do they hold over us? This may be an extreme example, but this is the direction the movement needs to go. What can we do to disrupt their system of control? We outnumber them, so if we really can't think of good ideas to actually initiate change, then maybe we deserve this oppression.
dear mr potato head: the movement can suceeed with some fine tuning. it has only just begun after all. YOu seem to be especially concerned by the "handouts" aspect. Yes the protesters have received handouts and those that think the handouts will continue are fooling themselves. However, the OWS is not (i hope) demanding handouts forever it is voicing outrage at unfiar aspect in our society, this movement will mature (i hope) because it has something (when you ignore the forgive my student loans drivel) to say. sincerly, A person (Management consultant) who works on wall street who probably makes a hell of a lot more money they you do and who supports OWS.
dear mr potato head: the movement can suceeed with some fine tuning. it has only just begun after all. YOu seem to be especially concerned by the "handouts" aspect. Yes the protesters have received handouts and those that think the handouts will continue are fooling themselves. However, the OWS is not (i hope) demanding handouts forever it is voicing outrage at unfiar aspect in our society, this movement will mature (i hope) because it has something (when you ignore the forgive my student loans drivel) to say. sincerly, A person (Management consultant) who works on wall street who probably makes a hell of a lot more money they you do and who supports OWS.
I disagree. The World is not laughing at them. Their movement is not a waste of time. They don't have to have the answers or a single demand, because it is starting to get a little obvious, right? They want high paying careers, they want their vote to count, they want an end to the seperate but equal rich vs everyone else classification of US Citizens, the chance to particpate in and enjoy wealth and they don't want any more bs from I-Banker ego maniac College grads, with Series 7s.
It is time to send Jeff Sachs and his sorry Globalist excuses a packing and invest in the USA. It is time to make lots of money off of growing our economy, harnessing our graduates, I can perfectly well explain how to train them, if HR is too f-ing stupid to figure it out. We need high paying careers to attract Global talent, to make babies, to optimize growth in share holder value, off of activities in the USA. The other day, I was talking to a former Fortune 500 CEO and he is trying to get an initiative to make a dent in joblessness. You really think that these protestors have nothing to do with that? =)
Occupy Wall Street is a people powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally.
OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt, Tunisia, Spain, Greece, Italy and the UK, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people who are writing the rules of the global economy are imposing an agenda of neoliberalism and economic inequality that is foreclosing our future.
The movement's success is due in part to the use of online technologies and international social networking. The rapid spread of the protests is a grassroots response to the overwhelming inequalities perpetuated by the global financial system and transnational banks. More actions are expected in the coming weeks, and the Occupation of Liberty Square in Manhattan will continue indefinitely.
[my note: The essential fight is against Neo-liberalism. Info on neoliberalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism#Opposition ]
Stop using OWS. We are now the Dirt Bagger Party.
We are simply participating in our democracy. It's our duty as democratic citizens to speak up and act on things we don't agree with. We recognize there is something VERY wrong with how things are going down in this country (and around the world) and we also recognize that the people supposed to fix it, the people that are supposed to be working for us (politicians) aren't.
Finally. Voter turnout has been very low for the longest time. To boycott the vote is to be irrelevant noise makers.
sounds like you're scared
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltaosftiYz1qzzqrso1_500.jpg
hahaha...that one sign says "the bank stole my home".
And you're in Idaho.
Leaders will be bought and/or vilified.
the whole world is not laughing at them... the state of ows is a mirror illustration of the problem... ie, there are too many problems to put your finger on.. this is a movement in its beginning stages.. i agree with the jist of what you are saying but you have a snide tone.. theres needs to be form.. yet it is still taking shape.. thats the bottom line.. and yes agreed there are many screaming babies in the crowd.. but we have to acknowledge they are people too
RESOURCE BASE ECONOMY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SQqjTxI3vc&feature=youtu.be
No that will never happen we need to boycott imported goods buy made in the USA!!!
your statement is.. umm.. please click on the link.. american superiority is not sustainable moving forward, simply put.. a new paradigm is needed, THIS IS BASIC FACT..look at the gas prices.. do you want to boycott foreign oil?
We can never boycott that we have no choice when it comes to certain things obviously. I'm talking about shampoo, dishsoap, dishes, furniture, clothes, real crap people buy. They should reward US companies not those that sent our jobs overseas. I heard of the resource rationing its too good...we are all evil sorry.
disagree. and if you are unable to see the fundamental flaws of what you just wrote, i don't know where to begin.. i don't mean to be rude! i guess i would just encourage you to look into the concept further with an open mind and heart if possible. all the best, kevin.
I gather you assume that everyone in this movement does not have leadership qualities and a substantive agenda. How I plan to make this work is more engaging and gathering of data. You will find it here and I have the resources to gather the opinions and help to shape the debate, but do not generalize people. They are hurting in ways that they have not since the Great Depression. It sounds to me that you have yet to see how grass roots movements truly start. Stand for those that stand for your rights. Offer a specific set of ideas here in this thread.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-to-bring-substance-in-our-message-through-a-gr/
Until then, do not criticize the message until you have one of substance of your own.
be part of the voice https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dFlNNHJTRlZwMWs5ZjlhTWN0NlZReHc6MQ#gid=0
Unfortunately, I have neither the education nor financial knowledge to even pretend to know what will fix the mess our country is in. I don't have any ideas..other than take over the government and start over..so I keep my mouth shut! This is why I am posting...to see if someone will stand up and tell me in plain english what this movement wants. I keep seeing Glass something...but I 't have a clue how that will help me. Call me stupid, but there are some of us in this country without Harvard degrees and need a little plain english.
Join us in the park! Come to the big tent. Dirt Bagger Party
The problem is massive inequality. For prosperity to endure it needs to be shared. Mass production, demands mass consumption, but people can’t afford to consume if the wealth an economy generates is concentrated at the top. In consequence, as in a poker game, where the chips are concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other people can stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit runs out, the game stops.
Basically, the Glass-Steagall Act said that you could be a depository bank, investment bank, or an insurance company; but only one. It did other things too, but mainly help prevent "Too Big to Fail"
I hear what you're saying. This is pretty plain. See what your think. http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-turn/
1 End corporate money in politics
2 No lobbyist for corporations
Plus a variety of others. Health care- people should not go bankrupt when they get sick. Education-People should not have to spend 20 years paying back student loans. I could go on and on but I have a feeling your just here trolling so I wont waste my time.
Agree. I'm here trying to understand & all I see is people demanding debt forgiveness for student loans, anti-semetic comments & people attacking the Tea Party, the rich, and sounding an awful lot like Marxists/Hitler. A few Tea Partiers & Libertarians have tried to fit in, only to be mocked & ridiculed & not given any credence. I am not impressed & agree the the person who said this movement can't represent the 99% if they alienate 99%!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/literacy-wanted/
Don't let a few bad apple spoil the whole bunch.
This Bowel Movement will go down the toilet or stay in the park where the stench is overwhelming.
Spoken like a true TROLL.