Forum Post: This is really what the media is going to say about OWS?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 11:42 a.m. EST by Halim
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Look what I just found...: http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-philadelphia/occupy-wall-street-goes-wild-after-support-from-hugo-chavez
This story is 100% bullshit made to make people mad and make OWS seem like something it is not.
Hugo Chavez's message of support was not broadcasted to the Occupiers, and has not been repeated over and over again.
Personally, I like and support Hugo Chavez, I followed him since he was elected, and have seen how the media practically crucifies him and makes up lies about him (if you call him a dictator on air enough times, people are going to really believe he's a dictator), he is just a victim and shows what happens when someone goes against american policy and actually GASP nationalizes Oil and gives the profits to social programs benefiting the people... But enough on this rant.
This story though is 10000% bullshit, it even says that the crowd cheered and are excited that a "North Korean spokesman is coming to address them later this week". which is more BS.
I say everyone go onto the article and comment saying this is media bullshit and propaganda.
MAN there are a lot of anti OWS here...
Just like those damn fire ants in my yard. You have to beat them down every once in awhile.
It’s just a sign of how nervous we’re making them. I can honestly tell you, I’ve never been to a tea party site and I have no interest in going to one. Why would anyone waste precious time going to a site to converse with people that they have absolutely nothing in common with. We will need to come together on some kind of action soon though. http://sites.google.com/site/onecompanyatatime
Is that a tea party site? lol i have no idea i was just google-news searching for OWS
(LOL) That’s funny. No, it isn’t, but as hard as it is to believe, the tea party actually had some good ideas in the beginning. I’m still waiting on this movement to do something that’s really going to make the powers that be greatly concerned. Have a high number of followers that aren’t banded behind a single action means nothing. The tea party demonstrated that even if you band behind an idea that’s inspired by a bunch of misinformation, you can make a difference. Imagine what could happen if your movement was inspired with facts.
haters don't know what's coming
it happens when all the time, when people are on the bleeding edge of something. There will always be people that will yell and scream to move away from a cliff edge, when they can't see that it's really just a step.
Here is an example on how the media is trying to ruin our movement!
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Divide and conquer: tried and true tool of the 0.01%. They will continue to escalate that effort for the foreseeable future. If we our unity is not stronger than that, we are doomed.
Their only other tool is brute force, and with a movement this large, that will be very very expensive. And they are stingy (duh), so they will save brute force for the last resort (at which point we have almost won, and will have a final, painful test to pass).
We shouldnt get to caught up on what the media says.... remember,the news medias are owned by the very ones we are protesting.So of course were going to be portrayed in a bad way.Hopefully we can stay focused on the movement .
This troll is trying to generate traffic to the examiner. Please ignore him.
What? I was saying how they are lying and saying we love Kim Jong Il lmfaooo
Give me a break; I find it hard to believe anyone would applaud a dictator when we are trying to reestablish democracy in this country.
Note Iran is the country that kills gays, Chavez just sends tham to ows functions.
this is why we need a spokesperson(s)
We are going to hear all kinds of stories from the media.You have to remember,the very ones that we are out there protesting about(Corporate America) are the ones that own the news medias.
no surprise there... they lie and its legal to do so. we need to make this kind of lie patently illegal.
Really you like Chavez, a man who supports a leader of a country that openly executes gays? Really?
Where'd you hear that? CNN?
What’s YOUR occupation?
Because our "General Assembly" are a bunch of Marxist living in Nicraragua. That's why Hugo likes it, it is a black eye for the US. http://afgj.org/?p=1765#more-1765 This is the people behind the donations, they don't care about us, they are just taking money.
what?
The General Assembly resides in Central America, the donations have been deposited in Central America, the people that are pusing this cause are just raising cash for themselves. That isn't to hard to understand is it?
Do you have any citations to document any of this? I see the persistent rumor about Nicaragua but I'm pretty skeptical.
They have now blocked whois.net from giving out that info, and have scrubbed NicaNet (Nicaragua's public internet provider), and even AlterNet's, info from this site.
Still skeptical?
We still need 5 gallon buckets, TP, and baby wipes.
You're faulting them for portraying OWS as sympathetic to Chavez, and then admit you're a Chavez supporter? Pathetic!
They were using Chavez as a buzzword (or person) to scare the common person who thinks that chavez is a dictator. Human Rights watch and many other organizations have stated that Venezuelas elections are completely fair and legit. Obviously if he ever really did become a "dictator" i would not support him and would talk bad about him. Please examine what you think about him, then ask yourself where you heard it (probably CNN or FOX). Look up the real facts and watch the documentary "The Revolution will not be televised". Of course the US puts him down, he's against everything they stand for (he encourages latin american unity, end to imperialism, economic fairness, etc etc). I am faulting them because they used a phony story about him and that joke North Korea to scare people into not liking OWS
And thats my personal opinion, I do not speak for OWS and they are all free to make up there minds themselves
Chavez is no friend of the United States or a free people around the world. Chavez would gladly dispose of his political rivals much as Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin. Be careful what you wish for, just because it has been a long time since millions were killed for political reasons does not mean it cannot happen again.
Please provide evidence of your opinion...
The CIA wants to kill Hugo Chavez and I am sure they want to do it to the 99% but that would be a mess and they could not get away with it so they are going to use psychological warfare on you like they have been training the Christians to use on their enemies. Of course for all I know the CIA could be behind the occupy wall street movement.The CIA were the ones behind the take overs in the middle east, just like they were behind the Banana Republics in South America. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1279846/posts
No i don't think the CIA are in charge of OWS. Now i wouldn't rule out the CIA trying to hijack it later and make it violent or discredit it somehow. This would merely be a defense mechanism by the current system to defend itself
Hey Halim. I can buy you are one-way ticket to Caracas and write a nice letter to Chavez for you. You think the people of Venezuela have it good? I travel the world, and I meet Venezuelans everyday that are leaving that place for better opportunities. You think the US government can take over Big Oil and do a better job? You think $4/gas is high now?
I do not want to have a dumb political debate, I want to show how this article is spewing dumb propaganda to make people equate OWS with North Korea...
Let me spell it out for you. The principles of this group are exactly how the society of North Korea is set up. Everyone is the same. Well, except for the boss. But, there will always be a boss.
lol why are you on the OWS site if don't support the group
It is the only place I can poke fun at selfish, cry baby people. This whole thing is like when you tell a teenager they cannot have something. They cry unfair, shout names, and pout. Cheap entertainment I guess. Maybe I can change someone's mind.
I am in my first year of College. I am already 9 thousand dollars in debt, and work full time. My mom works very hard every day and my dad, who owned a construction company, struggles every day trying to restart his company or find work. We were foreclosed from our house and have had to move 3 times in the past 3 years. My parents try very hard and I try very hard, my mom thought she had a heart attack 3 weeks ago but it turned out to be an anxiety attack from all the stress. We have no health insurance and now owe about 2000$ to the hospital. How in the world is this fair? If you can't support our movement of the people, then you have no heart. We are not asking for handouts. We are asking for a government that cares for us and not corporations, and are asking for things to get better. A lot of critics say they should be out looking for jobs and not marching. There are no jobs, no one wants to be unemployed, do you think unemployment is so high because people are lazy? Our society has practically collapsed in the past 2 decades.
Exactly.....and you know I have something like $20,000 in student debt. I began taking on actual debt as a supplement to flat wages in 2008. It was the only way to pay the rent.
there is hope for humanity. http://www.radiokazoo.net/OPV/
Things will change. When I got out of school I had $60k in dabt but in 1993 when I graduated, I was able to work hard and pay off the debts. Today, the corporations have sent all of the opportunities overseas so they can pay the people less money. That can only be stopped by passage of laws and as long as congress is owned by corporations, that will never happen. It all starts and ends with getting corporate money out of our republican democracy. Right now we have a corporatocracy.
The corporations have sent all the opportunities overseas. Well the reality is if an indian programmer gets 1/5 of the salary of an American Coder -Guess what in the global economy the job goes to India. Now if we introduce IPT or international payroll tax and use the funds raised to support domestic college engineering programs. I a few years we are back were we need to be leading the world.
We should offer citizenship to students who come to America to get educated in the sciences and mathematics.
no we should offer more chances to our own students who want to learn math and science
agreed
All of our problems are because our democracy is hijacked by the rich (especially conservative and few liberal crooks) and used to their advantage. All the money spent on unnecessary American wars (trillions of dollars) went straight to rich people pockets while adding to our country's deficit. This deficit have to be paid by you and our future generations. This is why I blame all the rich (even though some of them are good hearted).
Corporations are just a veil/front end to rich crooks.
I am in a similar situation. Thats why we are the 99%
Life isn't fair student. Be advised: whatever degree you decide to get will directly determine your chances at a successful career, and to a large extent your happiness, for the rest of your life (unless you decide to go back to college again of course). So if you're in your first year, think long and hard about whether the course you are taking is really worth the debt you are taking on right now.
ok what about everyone who went to school, graduated, and now can't find jobs?
Don't criticize someone for furthering their education. That is what is wrong with our country, education should be our priority to not only to allow our citizens to pursue a career, but for having a highly educated population. The number one reason for poverty in this country is limited education. College costs are astronomical and if we encourage students to accept a lesser education or no education, we are downgrading our society, not upgrading it. It is all about priorities and our country has enough money to go around. We need to change legislation to make college more affordable to our citizens.
how about going after the textbook companies who charge $85 for a book that dosen't even come with binding, and then the only difference between the new version and the old version is they changed the order of the chapters and moved a few "key points" around, and they wanna say it's "new and updated" yet the information is YEARS out of date
As an add on to that - you should think very hard about what that money is buying you for a future career but not just in terms of your financial future. Part of the problem with our country is that we longer value careers that aren't rolling in cash. What happened to having respect for teachers, engineers, doctors, skilled craftsman etc. etc? The way we view people has become very distorted. Choose a career where you actually produce something or contribute to the world.
Excellent point! I am a teacher with a Masters Degree and make less than 50,000 a year and am still paying back my student loans. I am a teachers because it IS a noble profession! Period!
Agreed.
And I have been working for 20 years, including time in the military.
I hope the degree you are pursuing in college is worth the debt you are going to accumulate. Many people believe that through merely obtaining a random college degree... you will all the sudden, make a ton of money. The reality is, you will be paid based off of what you are worth, and not how much you think you are worth.
No one deserves a job. Sadly, your father's company failed. It happens. That is not my fault. That is your father's fault. It is not the government's place to offer the citizens money to help keep your father afloat due to his inability. -Sadly, some people do think that is the government's job to take care of you and your family now... because your family failed.
I cannot support this movement, and I do have a heart. I very much believe in the ability of every man and woman to provide for themselves.
Your house was foreclosed due to the actions of your parents in terms of unsound financial practices. Your parents gambled with money they did not have, and they lost.
Unemployment appears to be high... it is not only due to the fact that there are less jobs, but it is also due to unqualified individuals, better technology which results in less people being needed.
Partially agree with your first paragraph but not completely. Being 'paid what you are worth' is fairly subjective. We no longer value teachers, engineers, craftsman etc. in this country so they are not paid well. This has started a downward spiral whereby talented people no longer pursue these careers. Look at the number of physics and math majors that now head to wall street to try and be a quant. This is a very short sighted path on our part.
Matt, wow, I guess you haven't been paying attention. These people are asking for a fair shot. Something that used to be called the 'American Dream'. Maybe you've heard of it.
Instead what this Student is saying is that the Government bailed out BOA, Wells Fargo and all the other industries...and no one knows where that money went. There was no oversight (which I blame Obama for), and now the banks want to raise fees on ATM Card users. Hmm, we bail them out in 2007 and they raise rates in 2011. And that's just the beginning. Corporations can buy and sell politicians, amendments and all sorts of other 'perks'.
The system is gamed Matt. It's not capitalism, it's cronyism. And all this Student is asking for is a FAIR shot. Not a handout. His parents can't pay for his education like your parents could.
Feel free to argue that the system is not gamed. I will crush you in any argument to that effect, and have a great time doing it.
the 'American Dream' is that everyone has the equal chance to go out in the World and 'make money'. In the US, you are discriminated in terms of your intellect and ability... and that, my friend, is the 'American Dream'.
I am paying for my own schooling... I have parents, who unfortunately, did not make the best life choices in terms of securing a financial future for themselves and myself. I learned really quick... that if I wanted something in life, I would have to go and earn it myself.
I absolutely do not agree with the bailouts... the government had no right to provide funds to any private business or corporation. There is no place for government intervention on the 'free' market.
You mention a fair shot... your fair shot is the ability to think. Nothing more.
And say if bank of America were to fail what about the 300,000 workers that would lose their jobs, and the countless other businesses that depend on b of a salaries etc. The tarp money was paid back and most banks are far better capitalized then before. Sometimes the free market needs a Tweek.
yes, you are right... many people could lose their jobs. The free market cleans out impurities, and there is no place for government intervention. That sounds cut and dry, and I honestly believe that is how it should be. If you allow companies who are 'too big to fail' know that in the end, if they were too risky, that Uncle Sam will bail them out... well it is going to continue happening. No one has a right to work either, and if the business they work for fails.. it is just too bad.
some people never recover from a job loss. I have seen people develop nervous disorders a the mere possibility of a layoff.. I hope it never happens to you.
That's a shame... and it happens.
I’d like to know your frame of reference, what are your religious belief’s?
I am a Protestant. I fervently believe in God.
I am assuming that you intend to point out the communal ideologies presented throughout the Bible... and wonder how I am able to think radically different in terms of the practices promoted through the Bible.
Another damning aspect I truly believe in-in terms of political theory-is the idea of rational self-interest.
Thanks for your response. I don't think one can be a disciple of both Jesus Christ and Ayn Rand. Am I my brothers keeper?
I believe that you can blend and/or separate different theories. Separation of church and state is a good example of this (the Constitution).
are you your brother's keeper? Not politically or economically. From a religious perspective, you can through purely altruistic means... you know, like volunteering your time or donating money.
On Rand... I think she was a brilliant political philosopher, but I absolutely cannot agree with her in terms of atheism.
Of course, I might have a flawed sense of reality... but, I honestly cannot think of any action or decision I have made without thinking of myself. That's where the rational self-interest ideology comes into play.
Awesome, I applaud your ambition, it's what keeps this country strong. You, unlike I, have not seen your job shipped to a foreign country because it cost a quarter the money. The company then took that profit (75% of my salary) and gave it as a bonus to the CFO of my company. Is that right? no. Is it there right to do so? Absolutely. But that same company can go out and donate money to Obama - obligating him to listen to their point of view in regards to fair trade. That kind of cronyism stains not just Obama. It's ALL representation of US citizens.
You believe that you can be smarter than everyone else Matt, and I applaud that. But look at your history. What's happening right now with Income inequality and wealth distribution is exactly what happened prior to the Great Depression.
The system is gamed. 40 years ago working hard and being smart put you solidly in middle class. Lot's of Americans liked it there. 30 years ago 3 things happened. 1)Jobs exported 2) Women join the workforce 3) Computerization and automation. 20 years ago to today. The American dream is dead. Unless you educate yourself (preferably in health and science) for 11 years, you're screwed. Matt, 80% of college grads move back in with their parents! Maybe you had it rough, but it doesn't mean no one else does. There are more job candidates than they're are jobs in this country. And that's like duck-duck-goose. Someone's going to be left standing.
Wow "the system is gamed", "the american dream is dead " I think Steve jobs would have disagreed with you. You are dead wrong. Creativity, discipline and proving a needed good or service still is rewarded by the system. The trouble is that in order to be competitive in a global economy you have to be better, cheaper etc. You can't build a competitive car if your labor costs are 30% higher than your foreign competitors. The wealth redistribution is happening just not to the people you would like.
I am sorry to hear about your job. And I really mean that, before I jump into the issue:
In a true capitalistic environment... a company will strive to maximize profits. This is an Awesome, good thing for all of us. If a company can make things for cheaper in another country... they should not be prevented or charged for doing so. Unfortunately, this means that people will lose their jobs. The individual (you for this example) loses out, but the rest (the 99%) will reap the benefits.
I must clearly state this too: I fervently believe in a Capitalistic economy that strictly follows the rules of the free market. -What we have today in the US is not a free market... there are inefficiencies throughout our system, we have the government assuming debts for corporations, we have unions who strangle companies(general motors)... there is no place for socialistic principles within our country. Socialism promotes inefficiency... the government is not efficient or effective- look at the current state of our educational system today. People claim that college following high school should be payed for. We don't want that... when things are free, motivation decreases, (not to mention that government processes are always inefficient).
And, as you mentioned... technology will continually get better, which will result in less people being needed in the workforce-a machine or computer might be better. A company will always pick the better option for their survival... the computer or machine will win out over the person.
The American Dream is not dead. The American Dream lives in each one of us... and I really BELIEVE THAT.
You're really missing the point. Let me boil it down.
a) you say "The individual (you for this example) loses out, but the rest (the 99%) will reap the benefits" It's simply not true and shows where your head is at. The 1% make out, not the 99%. I exemplified it in my own situation, what, did you ignore that? b) You say "when things are free, motivation decreases". For the one billionth time, are you listening, 'I' for one am not asking for handout. I want fairness and for a separation of government and business. That's cronyism, not capitalism. Matt, believe it or not we're not that far apart on this, just stop thinking we're looking for free stuff. It's insulting.
c) This is the most retarded thing I've ever read .... "And, as you mentioned... technology will continually get better, which will result in less people being needed in the workforce-a machine or computer might be better. A company will always pick the better option for their survival... the computer or machine will win out over the person." I can't believe that you don't see the danger of computers replacing humans. So let me ask you succinctly, here you go.
What happens when the number of people who want to work is greater than the number of available jobs?
"What happens when the number of people who want to work is greater than the number of available jobs?"
I think we see this partially occurring now. What will happen: Innovation and ingenuity will create new types of work and job opportunities. We are not at all close to the point where everything has been invented in this World! The hard-working, the motivated, the intellectuals, the rational self-interested individuals, they will continually provide new opportunities for citizens. The ones who sit and expect things to fall into their hands will fall to the wayside (And I am not saying that is you).
No one is endowed with the right to work, and no company can be compelled to hire. Companies will always need individuals... the qualifications needed by the individual will always change.
I think one of the issues we are seeing is that people are going to college to unneeded degrees... degrees that have no worth in the real world. just because you sink 50 grand into an guitar theory major (or any other worthless degree in terms of the world market) does not automatically qualify you for a high paying job... or even a job at all.
On the American Dream... many people immigrated to the United States during the 20th century with the flawed perception that the US was the land of milk and honey... where one can come and immediately become rich. This was not the case, many immigrants soon found out that if they did not have a competent skill or trade... they would be on the streets without work.
Guitar theory is worthless...oh no!
Answer to your first sentence can be observed in Greece. Everyone worked for the government until the ponzi scheme collapsed.
Probably the most sane argument I've heard all day. Nicely done. But, you have an unsound foundation. When you say " I think we see this partially occurring now", you've lost the case. You assume good old American ingenuity (like we had 20 years ago) will save us. But maybe you've heard of intellectual property and how we, in this country, can't create a FREAKING thing without it being copied and built somewhere else cheaper. Does the government protect us? No. Does crony CAPITALISM hurt us yes. In many ways. The job disintegration is not "partial". The US added NO JOBS in August. We are in a jobs depression and you're arguing that innovation will pull us out. It won't, study your history. Specifically look at wealth distribution and income equality in 1929. The rich will continue to own corporations that control the higher levels of the Government. You know what Matt, all I want is one thing. Separate out the Government from big business. Stop letting politicians take special interest money. Put a complete stop to the crony capitalism that is much more prolific than you will ever care to admit or know. Take a look around, and I guarantee that when you look around, there will be no one on your side.
I am a fervent believer that American Ingenuity is alive and thriving in our great Country. Of course, I am biased... I have a love affair with our Country, and also have had the honor to meet so many individuals who continually prove to me that ambition and innovation are very much alive.
You're are right... the past couple of years, the country has faltered in terms of economic growth. The country has faltered, but not failed. In terms of job growth... yes it has slowed down. This is due to the World economy, not just our economy. This is completely normal-a lot of us expect that growth should continue indefinitely (I used to be the same)-we think that jobs will always continue to become increasingly available. This is not always the case, as we are currently seeing. This is fine, I truly believe, from what I have studied (And I am not in any way an expert) that the trend will change with time. The economy will recalibrate and begin once again on an upward trend.
I think if we don't believe that innovation will bring us out of this rut... what are we really going to do? Is there no answer? Are you saying that the jobs and current state of the economy is all we have left? I have confidence in our great Country... I trust that our intellectual, ambitious citizens will pull us through.
On Crony Capitalism: I used to think that all politicians, or 'statesmen' if you will... were all corrupt. But, I have changed my views on that. I have met several legislatures who really do care about the people and our Country... regardless of where they sit in terms of ideology, they truly want to keep this country great. I am sure there are some government officials who are solely promoting their own interest--but I think they are in the minority. Of course, all of this I am sure is debatable... i guess that's where my views on government lie.
Big business, on the other hand...they are promoting and achieving their 'selfish' interests. This is completely normal, and is also a good thing. If they are performing unfairly, the market will rid itself of the impurities.
I guess I think our country is greater than that. Great enough to say that our people deserve full employment. I guess I just look upward at those kind of things rather than take the pessimistic view.
Yeah, I guess... in a perfect World, everyone would have an awesome and easy job... everyone would be millionaires, without doing any true work... in a perfect World, everyone would have everything they desired. I wonder if the perfect world would exist... without motivation
Motivation is not the problem on the bottom but possibly the problem on the top. There isnt any motivation to fix the inequities. If you had 24% of the nation's wealth, would you be motivated to give some of it back?
Absolutely not. No one should be compelled to give anything they own for free. I don't expect to be given anything for nothing. You shouldn't either.
Do you suggest that we should move more money into the top 1% of the population? Do you really understand that 15% of the wealth that used to be controlled by the middle class has moved to the top 1% in the last 30 years?
Outstanding comments Matt. Well said and to the point. Keep up the good work!
Are you kidding me? My dad is VERY SMART, he was very successful, his business failed because the housing market collapsed. He was building houses, now no one can build houses. Loss of income = inability to pay for house anymore = foreclosure. They didn't gamble with anything, the market collapsed and failed. Now I have to live in hardship and go in debt because of that? These protests are happening BECAUSE it is now almost impossible to provide for yourself. Meanwhile DaveinNJ is right, the govt saved all these banks with no over site yet the banks put salt in our wounds and raise fees. The government is funded and bought out by corporations.
the market does not discriminate in terms of the individual... your father's business failed because the demand for houses decreased. Now we can delve into the semantics as to why the demand for houses decreased, they cost too much... on and on, maybe they weren't quality houses?-This, I am sure probably wasn't the case.
What actually was occurring, was this: Individuals were applying for loans/mortgages and getting approved-when they shouldn't have been. One can speculate the reasoning behind why unqualified individuals were being approved... we can use the fairness principle of 'well, everyone deserves a fair shot!' ... but that is pretty much false.
What was really going on is that corporations were taking risks on individuals-which all companies take risks-who were not qualified. Thus, the housing bubble kept getting bigger... (we should have looked at the housing crisis for Japan in the 90's as a forewarning) and finally it busted.
Where does your father play into all of this? He provided the commodity, the houses. Unfortunately, the market fixed itself- and your father lost his business. There was an artificial rush on houses, and your father fed that rush. Now, what can your father do?
Once again, as I have stated numerous times throughout my responses... the government should play no part in bailing out any private corporation. The idea that something is 'too big to fail' is a joke... the market will right itself following bad business practices.
Of course, most people would say... but Matt... we would find ourselves in a huge depression!! Hell yeah we would, and that's what we need in order for the market to realign correctly.
I assure you... your hardship is worthwhile, anything of true worth is hard to obtain. Your degree-which I hope is usable in our economy-will involve risk in terms of debt, and will also depend on your hard work and sacrifice.
Good luck, you are at the point in your life where you can make the choice: Am I going to grab life by the horns? or: Am I going to accept that I have been dealt a bad hand and grovel in self-pity?
Didn't you tell him before that its his dads fault?! Should his dad done market research before working for years at what he was good at? You understand now NO ONE is building houses, so even if he was feeding and taking advantage of this demand, he's still suffering for something thats not his fault..
Any time you invest... you take a risk. The dad invested in his trade-a builder of houses. The market no longer needs his trade. He loses. It is unfortunate, and it is not my fault or the governments... it's a tragedy.
How about an example. Jim makes amazing sculptures. Everyone wants a sculpture! Jim becomes rich. All Jim knows about are sculptures. All the sudden, no one wants sculptures. Jim spent his riches on his family and house. Jim no longer has an income. Jim sadly, has to find another means to receive income.
Jim expects the government to offer income because of his bad 'luck'. Government steals money from successful, ambitious individuals. Jim receives money, that he is not entitled to. Jim stole from others. Jim's family is now happy again. Successful, ambitious individuals realize that they are being stolen from because they are successful. This is a tragedy
Your right. Maybe his dad should have never built houses. Maybe no one should have ever built houses. Isn't capitalism the greatest?
your logic is infallible. Actually, you are missing the point. Capitalism is the greatest economic form the World has seen... unfortunately, at this time... his dad is not needed. That is how the market works. Everyone does not succeed. Life happens. I owe him nothing. You owe him nothing. He must now find a new occupation, one that is needed.
BTW keep using big words so you sound intelligent.
Your right. So are the millions of unemployed all lazy?
those aren't big words... they just happen to be the words you don't want to hear. And no, the millions of unemployed are not all lazy. Some have chosen to pursue career paths that don't offer job security... or have a good job outlook. I don't think that is laziness.. I find that sad
Well, someone here had to vote for the democratic party and Obama. There are jobs out there. Might not be what or where you want, but there is always work to be done. Right now you are learning about value. Do you really think you are getting 9k worth of value for 1 year of college? There are ways for help. I joined the military to help with school. Excellent experience for people to grow up and see how things operate. Please keep in mind if you are turning to the government to focus on your wellbeing then you are asking for a handout.
Its not worth 9k, thats why were mad, we are shackled before we even have a chance to go out
You had your chance. You had to make a payment sometime during the semester.
teddyr I hope one day you will see that the game is rigged. you can't win. You might think you are a winner but time will prove you wrong. no doubt. if you live in the states. how come you can't see that corruption and a broken financial system has turned u.s.a. into a third world country? selfishness, ignorance, stupidity or faith in god?
So what is it you are trying to win? Hate to break it to you, but corruption is everywhere. The US has an excellent system of changing power via elections so often it limits it. Give it a think....
the system is defenetly broke all over the world. iagree with you on that.
Nationalizes = steals. Someone had to put their own money into building those oil companies. He went in and stole it all. If you admire him, you're a thief. Thanks for showing the world what the OWS is really all about.
Thats not exactly stealing...The venezuelan people were in miserable poverty and corporations pretty much controlled everything. He nationalized industries and got rid of the boss, made them run democratically by the workers. Then the profits instead of going to one or 2 CEOs are used to finance health and housing programs and other social programs. This is more like Robin Hood.
You could say that before Chavez nationalized them, the Corporations were actually STEALING from the people.
Did the people invest their own money in building the company? Did they take risk to build an oil company? LOL! You're a fucking communist wacko.
Wow, been looking through these forums and can't believe how many trolls the government has paid to comment on these things. They must really be desperate! I guess it shows how well OWS is working to see the government brick its pants and spend so much time trying to discredit the movement.
Hope all you genuines out there can spot these nob ends as easily as I can, they must really think we are stupid :)
Trust me, these guys will come out even with no pay.....it just takes a lack of understanding and compassion for your fellow man. There are plenty who will do that just for a laugh. Anyway, they just need the conservative media to tell them where to go.
will you please pay me? If I could earn money in my free time doing something I would have done otherwise it would be great. You see, I consider it my duty to fight leftist garbage. If someone pays me to do it, even better. Still looking for someone to send me a check.
"You see, I consider it my duty to fight leftist garbage." That's what you chosen to volunteer for. While others volunteer to help at soup kitchens or help rebuild houses affected by disasters, you've decided your duty is to volunteer to spread hate. That's the big difference between how you view the world and how the protesters do.
LULZ. What do you know about what I volunteer for? I am doing this out of my own self interest because if I let you morons have your way, you'd send me to a re-education camp or just outright kill me like Stalin did with his purges. Murdering people who won't go along with forced slavery to the state is just part of being a leftist.
So in response to me saying that you volunteer to spread hate, you did nothing but make another attempt to spread hate?? I know damn well you volunteer for nothing else because you are a vulgar, selfish, and dismissive individual that is a disgrace to America. I am 100% positive about this and you know that anything you say to the contrary is a lie.
LULZ!!! Love it. Refute a single word of what I said about your fellow comrades and what you want to do. Better yet, spend the rest of the day fucking yourself.
captaindoody if you took a little time of to read a book lets say maybe "the shock doctrine" by naomi klein. you would know what stealing is and what halim is talking about. i highly recommend it.
Thank you Deffe!
anytime bro
You mentioned nothing about the protesters. All you did is go on a McCarthyist rant to justify your hate. Like I said, you're a disgrace to your country.
LOL! There is one thing that unifies the protesters. One thing. OWS desires to rob Peter and give the money to Paul. OWS wants to puff themselves up claiming some moral high ground for stealing from Peter, because Peter is evil because he went out and earned his own money. Obviously, it isn't evil for Paul to accept the money, because he didn't earn it. Paul's lack of merit is what makes it OK for him to have money. OWS is leftist. Period.
I don't know who the fuck Peter or Paul is(Ron Paul) but obviously you are suffering from a severe case of ADHD. Seriously, get medicated enough to starting reading something other than the Aryan Nation newsletter and maybe you'll learn to stop spreading hate.
You don't get robbing Peter to pay Paul? Oh I forgot, the average leftist troglodyte doesn't have the ability to think symbolically. I'm sorry, I can't help you. Moving on.
It isn't symbolic jackass. The ANALOGY of "rob Peter to pay Paul" refers unfair taxation between the St. Peter's parish and St. Paul's parish. You're just a fucking idiot that only repeats what he hears from Glenn Beck, despite not having a clue what you're talking about.
DO you think our end goal is to create a dictatorship??!?! LMFAOOO you have been sipping the fox-news Kool-aid a little too much
Your kidding! You do this for free! Mate you seriously need to get out more.
The other reason you know I'm not hired is because they would hire someone who can actually write. I'm not very good at it. LOL!
Actually that doesn't proove anything. The only people that would actually work for the goverment are dumb ass cock smokers who can't think for themselves let alone write well, so you would be a prime suspect my friend.
Hey, I am a dumb ass cock smoker who does work for the government and I support the movement.
Apologese FIsupport, maybe I should have said the only people who would spend all day trolling on forums for the government. I didn't mean to include all goverment employees.
LOL, I knew what you meant :)
Hehehe. Well, I don't work for the government or smoke cock. I wonder if the millions of government workers (police, firemen, postal workers, GMC guys etc.) would agree with your characterization of them. Seriously though bro, peace out.
Now peace we can agree on. Let's leave it on a happy note :)
Good talking to you bro.
They allowed the resources of their country to be used. They did the work.
The people were paid for the work. I'm not positive about the particulars of how Chavez did it, but typically when mineral or oil rights are involved, one has to lease or buy those rights, which is PAYING FOR THE RESOURCE USE. Your point?
Point. But the problem isn't with business making money. In a balanced situation that's good for everybody. That's capitalism and what makes the economy hum. But when business can buy influence in the government, the balance is quickly lost. Unchecked power leads to corruption every time.
Hey WE AGREE! Crony capitalism is a very very bad thing. And I'm a nutjob who believes in private property rights. Imagine that.