Forum Post: Think Occupy Is Dead? Check This OUT!
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 12, 2012, 11:49 p.m. EST by GypsyKing
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61% in the USA support Occupy. 61% down and 38% to go!
Define Occupy, show something to back up the survey?
Sure as hell it ain't OWS or this forum.
The question was probably "Do you support the public dis-content?" Well yes, given that US Congress has a 90% disapproval rating and OBama has 15% approval.
Easy to find that 60% of the people are pissed off, but don't for a second think that they think that "Occupy Wall Street", is the fucking solution.
"Occupy" is dead, its ran by assholes, and the whole worlds knows, so it has NO chance of accruing power.
It doesn't matter who runs the movement , the message will still be the same around the world .. We've had enough with the inequalities in wealth distribution.
Inequality is normal in the entire history of the species and in fact most species. Even strong dogs get more pussy than weak.
The USA has the most nukes, guns and thugs,... and thus the USA is un-equal in pillaging the world to feed its parasitic nation of 'citizen TV slobs'
the entire history of mankind there have been fighting for equality , and the fight continues today.
Most people are DUMB&UGLY, Stupid&POOR. Fact. ( The OWS 99% )
There has always been a limited supply of ... 1.) good looking women 2.) good food 3.) good booze 4.) gold
There have always been men fighting each other to monopolize the above, it is IMPOSSIBLE to 'fairly' distribute the good shit, and thus the majority of humanity never even see's the good shit.
Under capitalism the 'rich' enjoy the good shit without getting their hands dirty.
But the truth is is you can fight all you want and there never will be equality.
Oh sure like ORWELL you can make all animals equal, and feed them all shit, ... yea is that what you want?
But most 'warriors' are fighting so they can live the good life,
Eat well, raise the kids in safety, and sleep with a gorgeous young woman, ... this is the good shit, and its always been in limited supply,
Most people are DUMB&UGLY, Stupid&POOR. Fact.
you just reached a new low.
What do you find offensive about the truth? The 99% are your boyz & girlz not mine, I never said I was one of the 99%, ... I'm one of the 5%.
I am100%
Throughout history the majority is wrong about everything, almost 100% of the time. In truth, if there was such a thing as the 99% right-thinking people would run like hell.
once we evolve to the point we realize we are all in this together, we will than truly have accomplished something. until than all the individual greed is only a sign of how ..barbaric we still are ..
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The poll found that support for THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT was highest in the US, with 61% . . .
Read it and weep.
That is fantastic :)
If this can be verified by further reliable polls, it is more than fantastic - it is practically the ball game. I think we should be VERY encouraged by this, even though I'm sure American corporate pollsters will do everything in their power to counter this fact.
This gives us POWER.
Totally agree. Huge.
The only thing huge is the lie that press tv, the state run Iranian English-language propaganda mouthpiece, put out. they twisted "awareness" into "support" and hoped no one would notice. Or that some would be so desperate to accept it anyway, even after seeing the actual poll that was taken and what it said.
Don't let yourself be fooled by theocratic genocidal sponsors of suicide bombers, or those who are willfully ignorant and accept it after finding out the truth.
Perhaps you shouldn't read too much into polls.
It isn't fantastic. It's bullshit. Press tv is Iranian state-run media. They twisted "awareness" into "support" because they are liars. Don't be fooled by theocratic genocidal terrorists who sponsor suicide bombers.
Newt. Is that you and your rattling saber?
That's it. Hide from reality and double down on ignorance. Because admitting this story is a pile of shit would just kill you, wouldn't it?
No. It did not. It said "awareness", not "support". You cited an article from Iranian state media that misrepresented the IPSOS poll.
"Awareness is highest in the United States (61%), home to the first Occupy protests in New York, followed by Canada (60%), India (59%), Turkey (51%) and Spain (46%). It is lowest in France (18%), Russia (21%), Brazil (21%), Belgium (24%) and Mexico (24%)."
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5487
Well, if we get any poll numbers ANYWHERE ELSE, we can see. I cited this, partly in order to spark the question. Can ANYBODY find any poll numders ANYWHERE on this movement since December? I can't.
There is as much to be learned from what you Don't hear as from what you Do hear.
Since way way back in December? Say, that's, like, almost TWO whole months! Clearly the controlled media is hiding this useful information from us proles, so who can blame you for accepting iran's laughably distorted interpretation of an actual poll by a credible source?
And who can possibly argue with the rock solid logic that in the absence of anything credible in TWO whole months, accepting a blatantly false and misleading propaganda piece from a genocidal terrorist theocracy is just super!
Wow. Just...wow.
Oh, so now you're beating the hate Iran drum! Well, I've heard that before. First it was Korea and then Russia, and then Vietnam, and then Afganistan, and then Iraq, and now it's Iran. Let me tell you something, buddy. We've been backing genocidal regimes all over the world for 60 years. We like them as long as they support "our" interests. So don't pull the bleeding heart liberal thing on me, when we all know damn well who you're really backing - mr. got here ten mintues ago. Come back with some current numbers. I wish you luck.
LMAO!! What a silly and ridiculous person you are. Can't even admit the genocidal theocratic jihadists who run Iran are horrible excuses for human beings.
Wht the hell is wrong with you? Would admitting this story is bullshit be THAT bad that you defend these savages?
Which savages?
Did you know that press tv was the Iranian govt propaganda arm or not?
DKAtoday admitted it and he seems to be just fine. Don't be afraid to be honest. it won't kill you.
No, I though the poll came out of France. It was the only poll I could find, so I posted it.
Well, that only took 147 attempts.
You get a cookie!
Ta ta
Okay sleezo! Do you want to get to the truth, or is this just all a personal thing for you. Just for the record, I've been wrong about ten million times, and if I'm lucky I'll get to be wrong about ten million more times. The point here isn't being right, on a personal level, but in trying to find the truth. The truth here, as far as I can see, is that this movement is being consciously underplayed by the media and the pollsters. What truth are you trying to uncover - that I am not infallible? I can't even spell.
I don't want people to unknowingly accept bullshit information from a genocidal, terrorist theocracy.
So awful of me, isn't it?
Thanks, GK ( thrassy ) had a tendency to lie, rather than argue the facts, yes ...
"Awareness != Support "
60% of US parasites are 'aware' of occupy because they sit in front of the TV more than anyone else on earth.
Yep people may start out angry for the wrong reasons some times, but then they start paying attention to why they are angry, and walla understanding and growing support.
61% hey?
That's what it says, and it is a European poll, and therefore in my opinion more to be trusted than the domestic pollsters.
That was going to be one of my questions. That is a relief. It's funny when you have to look outside of your own country for reliable information or honest opinion. Funny in a terrible sort of way.
so true:)
So we find ourselves here trying to shore up resistance. Funny where you might meet good people.
Great point. The edge is what pushes and the edge needs to be somewhere. There's some friction at that edge, but there is also comraderie :)
Its good to be able to work for the benefit of all.
Damned true!
All the more motivation to keep on working for change.
I think we may already be halfway there. I really do.
Keep up a positive attitude. But remember we are not there until we are.
I always say - plan for the worst and hope for the best.
You are exactly right. But this is the most hopeful thing I have seen in a long time.
I'll take that as a good omen and be cautiously hopeful.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha . . .
Weren't you the guy who started out here pretending to support black bloc? What a buch of blundering fools you guys are. You have no credibility here at all!
The poll was about "awareness", not "support". The article from Iranian state media twisted the results massively.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/20/occupy-wall-street-oll_n_1218454.html
Nobody twists shit like the USA MSM.
The Iranian media are saints compared to the USA MSM.
Not in this clear example. Sorry.
Where else can you find apologists for the USA police state other than OWS? Nada,.. no where, home of the whores of wall street and the paid patriot whores to the establishment. Long live hairlips the USA public majority, the 99%.
This is great, and to think 150 people......
Why can't you form a conclusion about the popularity of this movement from the traffic trend of this website? If so, what say ye, JART?
I asked the moderators if they could post the # of hits a few weeks ago. I think this is a very good idea. I have been VERY curious about this, and have been frustrated in my attempts to get hard data. I think the Pew poll is very encouraging.
From the latest poll by Pew:
"By a 44% to 35% margin, more Americans support than oppose the Occupy Wall Street movement overall, and by 48% to 30%, more say they agree than disagree with the concerns the protests have raised."
See page four of the document:
http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/12-15-11%20Congress%20and%20Economy%20release.pdf
Thanks for finding that. DKA found it too. I looked everywhere for this information, and now I am sorry I just didn't post this, because it is very positive, which is why I assumed I hadn't been finding anything. Looks like I have to bone up on my research skills(:
Good article. Thank you.
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Presstv.ir is not the most reliable news source.
They falsely reported a story about Libya that I had looked into and found no other source on the info. And a couple weeks later, still nothing. So based on that I would say it's not a reliable source. I would also think like the USA does to Iran, this Iran source is incredibly biased against the USA.
But yeah I would say that most people disagree with the government on a lot of issues. Different issues, but a lot of them.
Press tv?
Are you f'n serious?
Be honest, do you know who press tv is?
Wiki it and apologize for taking these despicable scumbags seriously.
What, more dispicable that our home grow variety? I think you have to suspend your judgement regarding who is and who is not reliable. We'll see if these number can be backed up, but I think they will be.
Yes, much more despicable than our homegrown variety. Our media has flaws up the ass, but it isn't a mouthpiece for a theocratic, genocidal, terrorist regime, is it?
And no, I don't have to reserve my judgment when it comes to Iran. You need to practice some common sense before taking a single word these savages say seriously.
Iran. This is Iran's English language media. Do you know any Iranians? I do. I'll take their word for it, as much as I need to considering, that if press tv says today is Monday you should check a more reliable source.
Dude, fucking IRAN. you can't be serious.
I heard savages have smaller brains
I'm glad we are not like the savages
Can you be more specific in your definition of savages? Pigmy's? Yes they have smaller brains. But are they savages? Neocons? I think their rotten brains are of average size. Are you picking on slizzo?
Dude, I'm taking poll numbers wherever I can get them, because there aren't any, anywhere. See if you can find current numbers anywhere. I've been looking for months. There aren't any.
In other words, you are incapable of admitting when you made a major oopsie.
Seems ows types all have that affliction. Curious.
Find some current data to contradict it. That shouldn't be so hard if this movement is falling apart, as the media is always saying it is. Funny thing, they don't seem back that assertion with data. So . . . that was the data that was actually out there, and I used it.
Find data to contradict a lie that has been shown to you to be a lie?
Are you serious? Or are you 9?
Wow.
So if there was that much support, why aren't there more people on the streets protesting? I mean look at Greece - they are burining down the city.
Gyp, you never did tell me if you knew where press tv is shit out from or not.
Be honest. Did you or didn't you know?
It was the ONLY poll that I could find about the popularity of this movement, so I put up a link. I think we are being manipulated by a lack of data. I have searched every polling site I can find, and I have not been able to find even basic data, much less a breakdown of data into useful demographics. So If they won't define things because the truth is not to their liking, I'm going to use their methods and define them with whatever data IS available
That's swell. But you never did tell me if you knew what jihadist butthole press tv spews forth from or not.
Be honest! And stop swerving. You're starting to come off like a 9/11 truther.
I think we've said what we each wanted to say here. I ask you again to come back with some remotely current data regarding this movement, and you implied that data two months old is current . . . Bullshit.
I don't care what you asked me. You posted a story that is a blatant lie, the blatant lie was proven to you, and yet you STILL cant say if you knew what press tv was.
Honestly, could you be more childish?
And I didn't imply that 2 months old is current, I made a joke about your assertion that with no data in the last 2 months it's ok to use bullshit propaganda from the worst people on earth.
And I am not done here until I let everyone who responded positively know what kind of bullshit they are endorsing.
Check this out from : 1 points by epa1nter (1944) from Rutherford, NJ 0 minutes ago
From the latest poll by Pew:
"By a 44% to 35% margin, more Americans support than oppose the Occupy Wall Street movement overall, and by 48% to 30%, more say they agree than disagree with the concerns the protests have raised."
See page four of the document:
http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/12-15-11%20Congress%20and%20Economy%20release.pdf ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink
Pew Research Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So some good support news after all.
Wow, you found something! You must be better at research than I am, I've looked everywhere for that. Thanks.
My pleasure but not my credit to take.
Thank epa1nter.
Let them gloat. What would be truly sad is if it were a legitimate poll and we had to here it from Iran, how truly sad that would be. I mean it is as you say we can't get analysis coverage from our own country. That gives me more pause to think than does the source of this poll.
Anyway we carry on. This changes nothing.
Yes, I agree completely about the REALLY SAD part.
Nothing sadder than a guy who can't admit he made a mistake and was duped by theocratic jihadist genocidal cretins. Even after he was shown how and where the lie came from..
Unbelievable.
Apparently not.
Clutching at anything that seems positive, apparently.
Well, when you're facing an information blackout, you clutch at anything you can get. I thought it was the Soviet Union that used these tequniques of information control.
You're feeding the Iranian Revolution's techniques of information distortion. Please don't let that become the standard around here. That's why people objected.
That article from Iranian state media twisted "awareness" into "support".
"The Ipsos poll found that awareness of the Occupy movement is highest in the United States (61 percent), followed by Canada (60 percent), India (59 percent), and Turkey (51 percent). It is lowest in France (18 percent), Russia (21 percent), Brazil (21 percent), Belgium (24 percent) and Mexico (24 percent)."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/20/occupy-wall-street-oll_n_1218454.html
Okay, and why aren't we getting any data from the established pollsters? They track the number of warts on Newt Gingriche's ass, but not a word about Occupy. Why?
Don't swerve. Admit you were duped by Iranian media.
Not until someone can find current data to contradict it, and by current, I just mean within the last two months!
There's nothing to contradict! Didn't you see the real poll they made this shit up from?
Press tv twisted awareness into support. Tech junkie already pointed this out to you.
Man up and admit you were clowned by the patrons of suicide bombers. The people who promised to wipe an entire people off the face of the earth, I know it isn't pleasant to admit that, but there is credibility to consider. Unless you don't care, as long as a make elieve point was made.
Because Occupy is threatening to the people who run/own the polls and media. The last thing they want in the middle of an election cycle is a rogue "organization" of dissent that gains popularity every time it gets on TV.
"GOD! What if people got their messages: 1% Dominance = No Work! We R the 99%! When Does the GREED Stop? We Are Americans! My Job Went to India to Pay for a Bonus! OMG!"
Loud and Clear signs and banners and clean American flags people! We need to get camera ready!!
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!
The polls show that people don't trust polls.
GypsyKing you fool, as many have noted below all ready, you have given us a link to a Iranian government tv web site. I assume that you think there is nothing wrong with that, after all, Iranians are victims of the U.S. and Israel. But Iran is a country that kills gays, rapes women in prison, kills protesters and wants to kill all Jews. I can't understand why lefties love muslims, muslim countries, and terrorist.
In the spirit of promoting awareness and proper functioning to government.
Some interesting Food for Thought considerations ….
The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971...before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.
Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land...all because of public pressure.
I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.
In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.
Congressional Reform Act of 2011
Term Limits.
12 years only, one of the possible options below..
A. Two Six-year Senate terms
B. Six Two-year House terms
C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms
No Tenure / No Pension.
A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.
Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.
Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/11. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves .
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
Contact your individual representative and senator …
If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time .
THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!! If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete
The truth begins to emerge...Gotta love it.
How, under the circumstances of our country, and out world, could this not be true. Really. I think at some point the emperor simply isn't wearing clothes.
You seriously cited Iranian state media?
"Press TV is a 24-hour English language global news network owned by the state-owned media corporation Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB). Its headquarters are located in Tehran, Iran."
I don't know if you've noticed, but there haven't been ANY polls coming out on this movements popularity from any of the established pollsters for months. I've been watching. Until I hear something somewhere else, I'm going with WHOEVER is publishing polls.
You are right about that, GK. I googled several ways to find polls on ows and found nothing in 2012. Not sure what that means, tho.
I'm afraid it means that they realize if a movement like this is popular they don't dare admit it, because nothing is as popular as being popularity. It is just more evidence of the degree to which we are being manipulated.
That';s one take. Mine? The 'people' don't appreciate your tactics BUT ows has got a LOT of people thinking. And taking action in their own ways. The camp-in-a-public-place thing is never gonna get much support but it has started a dialog. I believe the original ows IS dead, but the spirit of it's msg will live on and ultimately foster much needed change.
Okay, then go with the actual poll, and not the misrepresentation of the poll that was published by Iranian state media.
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5487
That was a mistake. I agree. But I'm sick and tired of hearing mountains of irrelevent data from these pollsters, and nothing about the things that matter! Where the hell are the numbers regarding this movement? They don't exist, at least that I can find.
Around November when I was posting poll results from Quinnipiac, people were really dismissive about it because the poll results were not what they wanted to see. Then Quinnipiac stopped asking about Occuppy.
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Blind marchers must be choking right now.
Got that right!!!
What a blow to the put-down belittling crew.
Yeah, everybodies complaining about the source of this data; which I admit isn't good; but the point is it is the ONLY data I have been able to find for two months about the popularity of this movement. So if they will just ignore us, I'll just use whatever data IS out there until they stop pretending we don't exist. And then I will still look for objective data, from outside the US. There are a million ways to dellude people, and one tried and true method is to simply keep unpleasant facts out of people's hands.
It would be truly sad if we had the truth 1st from Iran. That other poll :
[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (2199) from Miami Beach, FL 23 minutes ago
Okay, then go with the actual poll, and not the misrepresentation of the poll that was published by Iranian state media.
http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5487
Looked like it had some favorable stats.
Yeah,and otherwise we are encountering here what I would have to call a general blackout of information. If the Iranians are the only ones asking the question then I guess they are the ones to define the picture. Sad, that they go to these legnths to disempower Americans - to the point you have to go to Iran to get onfo on your own country.
That is what bothers me the most. We can not get coverage or analysis from here at home. It would be exceptionally sad if we had to hear the truth 1st from Iran.
Yes, I really had a hard time believing this polling was so hard to find. I mean come on, this is the largest grass roots political movement in decades, and look how little is out there. All I can say is Damn!
I know its insane.
Be sure to thank epa1nter.
I just forwarded his find.
Thanks, I will do that. I'm glad all this at least produced these poll numbers. I find them very encouraging. Damn crazy it was so hard to do, but maybe that's just my fault.
Some times we can look to hard and miss what we are looking for. It's good to have others looking and sharing too.
Damn right it is!
And on that note.
Good night. Get some rest and recharge.
By "blind marchers" you mean people who allowed themselves to be duped by Iranian propaganda, right?
No the status-quo supporters, who else?
Iranian propaganda????????????
Please!
I see you also have no idea what press tv is.
Typical ows...hopelessly ignorant. Read from the top, check out tech junkie's posts, and admit you were clowned by theocratic genocidal terrorists.
OK OK gloat. I just myself verified the feed. OK I was an idiot in my last statement. My Bad.
But would it not be truly sad if that was a true poll accounting, and we had to here it from Iran 1st. How sad would that be. We can't even get coverage analysis from our own country.
"my bad"
Good for you! And look, not a scratch on you. Wasn't so bad, was it?
Yes, it would be sad. Thankfully, it isn't the case.
Btw, I'm not gloating. I'm not even sure how it could be seen as gloating. I simply hate to see anyone duped by theocratic, genocidal, terrorist scumbags who are patrons to suicide bombers and have promised to wipe a people off the face of the earth. If that gloating, then I'm guilty. But it isn't, so I'm not
So you will be happy to see this then:
1 points by epa1nter (1944) from Rutherford, NJ 0 minutes ago
From the latest poll by Pew:
"By a 44% to 35% margin, more Americans support than oppose the Occupy Wall Street movement overall, and by 48% to 30%, more say they agree than disagree with the concerns the protests have raised."
See page four of the document:
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I have no problem with that at all. Why would I?
Didn't say you would. It is just some favorable stats finally found being presented by an American Think Tank. But still someone had to do some digging to find it and present it here. That is not such a good thing. It should be being dealt with on MSM to the public but it is not.
There's plenty of things I think are newsworthy that isn't in the news. I just don't get all paranoid about it. Certainly not to the point of defending the Iranian regime like gypking does.
What kind of person defends those animals?
GK is not defending them. He is defending an honest mistake. We have all been looking for some glimmer of coverage.
What are you reading? He is defending them and he won't even admit he made a mistake.
Back off SFB