Forum Post: There is an organized attempt (mostly at night) to discredit this cause.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 11:20 p.m. EST by Mcc
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Don't fall for this psychological crap from any one percent goon. It's an obvious attempt to divert our attention from the obscene, unjust, immoral, and illogical concentration of wealth. Donald Trump went on record the other day telling us to blame the government instead of Wall Street and the richest one percent. His goons are obviously online and on air trying to divert our attention. Don't fall for it. Just keep protesting no matter what the one percent goons say or do. Our message is vital. Below is my two cents:
We have been mislead by Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and nearly every other public figure. Economic growth, job creation, and actual prosperity are not necessarily a package deal. In fact, the first two are horribly misunderstood. Economic growth/loss (GDP) is little more than a measure of wealth changing hands. A transfer of currency from one party to another. The rate at which it is traded. This was up until mid ’07′ however, has never been a measure of actual prosperity. Neither has job creation. The phrase itself has been thrown around so often, and in such a generic political manner, that it has come to mean nothing. Of course, we need to have certain things done for the benefit of society as a whole. We need farmers, builders, manufacturers, transporters, teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, mechanics, sanitation workers, doctors, managers, and visionaries. Their work is vital. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that we need politicians, attorneys, bankers, investors, and entertainers. In order to keep them productive, we must provide reasonable incentives. We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid. In order to achieve and sustain this, we must also address the cost of living and the distribution of wealth. Here, we have failed miserably. The majority have already lost their home equity, their financial security, and their relative buying power. The middle class have actually lost much of their ability to make ends meet, re-pay loans, pay taxes, and support their own economy. The lower class have gone nearly bankrupt. In all, its a multi-trillion dollar loss taken over about 30 years. Millions are under the impression that we need to create more jobs simply to provide more opportunity. as if that would solve the problem. It won’t. Not by a longshot. Jobs don’t necessarily create wealth. In fact, they almost never do. For the mostpart, they only transfer wealth from one party to another. A gain here. A loss there. Appreciation in one community. Depreciation in another. In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one. Either way you must have a reliable and ethical system in place to distribute that newly created wealth in order to benefit society as a whole and prevent a lagging downside. The ‘free market’ just doesn’t cut it. Its a farce. Many of the jobs created are nothing but filler. The promises empty. Sure, unemployment reached an all-time low under Bush. GDP reached an all-time high. But those are both shallow and misleading indicators. In order to gauge actual prosperity, you must consider the economy in human terms. As of ’08′ the average American was working more hours than the previous generation with far less equity to show for it. Consumer debt, forclosure, and bankruptcy were also at all-time highs. As of ’08′, every major American city was riddled with depressed communities, neglected neighborhoods, failing infrastructures, lost revenue, and gang activity. All of this has coincided with massive economic growth and job creation. Meanwhile, the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer even after taxes. Our nation’s wealth has been concentrated. Again, this represents a multi-trillion dollar loss taken by the majority. Its an absolute deal breaker. Bottom line: With or without economic growth or job creation, you must have a system in place to prevent too much wealth from being concentrated at the top. Unfortunately, we don’t. Our economy has become nothing but a giant game of Monopoly. The richest one percent already own nearly 1/2 of all United States wealth. More than double their share before Reagan took office. Still, they want more. They absolutely will not stop. Now, our society as a whole is in serious jeapordy. Greed kills.
Here's a tip (and I mean this in a constructive way): separate your rants into paragraphs. Most people simply won't read a massive wall of text like the one you presented in this post. Your message may be convincing and heartfelt, but no one will read it if is unreadable.
Yes. Hit the Enter key often. Much easier to read.
Yeah....I got a little lost in all of it but seriously, no one I know cares what Donald Trump says. Just another clown.
Quote: .... Organized Attempt (Mostly at Night)....
There maybe a reason why it's happening at night. It's day time in Asia. Maybe their posters have been outsourced to Asia; the cost of labor is is lot lower. They get paid by the keystrokes.
lol
It's no laughing matter. You know companies can monitor your key strokes right? So they can also pay you by the keystrokes. Soon it won't be an hourly wage, it'll be your keystroke wage.
it was funny because it was spot on ; )
I would have been more likely to read this if 1.) It had more breaks in the text and 2.) if you hadn't posted it on other threads already.
Here's another tip.
Please stop posting the same message in its entirety on every single post.
I've noticed - But they're easy to spot. I'm glad they are here. It makes me feel that our efforts aren't wasted.
Extremely well said, and I particularly agree with your statement that "in order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one", so let's start the war against Injustice by starting our own banks to double the income of the Bottom 99% of Workers, for many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 1% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves, and thus doubling our income from Bank Profits which are 40% of all Corporate Profits; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures-448eo
Join http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Online Congress, and related “new” Businesses, REPLACING the "old" Congress, and related “old” Businesses, according to your current Occupations & Generations, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet, a political opportunist, just like today; what's important is the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing Power & Group Investment Power. In this, sequence is key, and if the correct mathematical sequence is followed then it results in doubling the income of the Bottom 99% of Workers from today's Bank Profits, which are 40% of all Corporate Profits.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 1% Management System of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupations & Generations.
So JOIN the 2nd link, and spread the word, so we can make 100,000 support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.
If you want to focus exclusively on making suggestions with a positive or optimistic attitude, that's fine. I like some of your ideas. But there is still a profound lack of understanding among the masses. Otherwise, they wouldn't be giving so much of their money to rich people. It's been thoroughly proven over 30 years that the money doesn't 'trickle down' as promised. Therefore, the people need to think in detail about every dollar spent. They aren't. The majority still don't understand what a profound issue the concentration of wealth has become. The probably never will. But they must understand if there is any chance to prevent the eventual fall of modern society. That's why I'm here.
Agreed. The main problem, I think, with "the people" is that they are so inured (or anchored in dependence) upon the existing system, that they fight to protect it even when they are given a "new" system, almost identical to the "old" system, which DECENTRALIZES 2/3 of Wealth & Income currently controlled by the 1% into the hands of the 99%.
However, the slightly higher level of technical (or mathematical) thinking required for them to do this, even if they are ultimately only debating in 48 "new" Business Investment Groups according to their current Occupations & Generations, is where "the people" falter; meaning, "the people" seem to prefer arguing for argument's sake instead of seeking constructive and productive technical (or mathematical) AGREEMENT as "new" Bank Owner-Voters, and therein, "new" Business Owner-Voters, just like the 1%. In this, the politicians of "the people" continue to set a rotten example because they continuously bicker and posture as individual opportunists, and so "the people" become infected by this opportunist image making process, and thus bicker uselessly themselves as well, which is exactly what the 1% want, a divided, and therefore conquered, 99% in continuous argument, not technical (or mathematical) Agreement by Occupation & Generation (just like the 1%).
Nevertheless, Einstein said that we must have a higher level of thinking (or complexity) in solving today's problems than the lower level of thinking (or simplicity) that created those problems in the first place. Consequently, "the people" have no choice but to think more mathematically (or technically), like Einstein then and the 1% today, and thus "understand what a profound issue the concentration of wealth" has become" technically (or mathematically), just as you cited, for such absolute power corrupts absolutely, right?
To do so, "the people" must fight with fire by becoming Bank Owner-Voters, and therein, Business Owner-Voters, just like the 1%, and thus DECENTRALIZE that 2/3 of Wealth & Income currently controlled by the 1% include all 100% using Online Voting Technologies in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing Power and Group Investment Power, agreed?
I did hear a suggestion similar to that once before. If we could get to that point, I suppose it would help. I don't have whatever it takes to get people organized. I've tried several approaches over the years. I'm a regular caller on talk radio. After 20,000 Internet entries and well over 600 phone calls, I feel like I've hardly made a dent.
I'm still convinced that greed is the underlying cause for all of this. My purpose is to convince as many people as possible of this. I have a few suggestions here and there. But my primary focus is to call greed out for what it is. A relative form of evil which has grown into a worldwide epidemic. Turning more hearts black with every seven figure paycheck. Too much is too much. Period.
People have legitimate motives for seeking Wealth & Income (or "greed"), so you must use that greed to defeat (or decentralize) Wealth & Income, but while doing so, give the people control over their Town (and National) design so that they can create a more optimally effective and efficient Town (and National) design (which is automatically less greedy).
For example, there is an immediately practical solution to global warming, and the related "greedy" system that's creating it. If the 99%, as Home Town Banks of 65,000 Members, divide themselves into 16,384 Vehicle Investment Groups of 4 Members, with each group of 4 Members purchasing a hybrid-diesel-hummer-limo Cab which they then put into their Town Cab Fleet of 16,384 Cabs, then this would reduce their Individual Transportation Costs by 75% (Cost of 1 Cab / 4 Members = 75% less cost per member), and yet they would have a Luxury Limo Cab available to them, out of 16,000 cabs in their Town, five minutes after calling for one, but not necessarily the specific luxury cab in which they own 25%. And most importantly, let's not forget the lessening of Mother Nature's burden from having 75% fewer cars with no traffic jams, and thus 75% less CO2. Furthermore, the list of simple productivity improvements like this one -- which the 99% want but the 1% don't want -- are endless. But first, the 99% must control the banks as Bank Owner-Voters before they can control their Town (and National) design in this manner which is less costly (in terms of the worker hours to maintain it by 75% too) and yet have 75% greater luxury (such as a limo cab) at the same time. Consequently, to decentralize banking into a Focused Direct Democracy by Occupation & Generation is to lower cost 75% is to lower price 75% is to lower work 75% is to increase luxury by 75%.
And that's just 1 of 48 Tactical Investment Procedures at the 2nd link above (our group), starting from where the people are now, and then you can take the people even deeper technically( or mathematically) into an even better resource-based system, such as that cited at TheVenusProject.org.
So you see, once you get people thinking technically (or mathematically) like this, without arguing for argument's sake, in a way they can understand, THEN you can move them to even high levels of optimally effective and efficient design where the word "greed" doesn't even exist, such as a resource-based economy, but which the people are not technically (or mathematically) prepared to understand at this time, but that can change as you improve their technical (or mathematical) capabilities in ways they do understand first, such as the example above, agreed?
I Just typed a long reply and left the page by accident. I'm not going to type all of it over again. Just the last few lines for now.
Your response is interesting and I will check those links later. But I will not stop what I've been doing. Not as long as I live. I will do everything within my power and within the law to convince as many people as possible. Greed kills. It will be our downfall.
Agreed.
No body has to do a thing to discredit this movement. It's doing it all by itself. You should see the videos.