Forum Post: The Zeitgeist Movement Adresses OWS, link attached
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 10:43 p.m. EST by kevinsutavee
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8 minute address from Peter Joseph recorded yesterday..
If they want everyone to believe in a resource based economy. They are going to have to build one and test it. They are asking for the world to be changed in the name of a hypothesis. Not very scientific. I'm not saying Project Venus is a bad idea, I'm saying they need some strong evidence. Also taking an account of all the earths resources could take centuries. It's not practical. While you guys are busy trying to figure out the amount of all the resources, someone is going to pull the rug out from under you.
Please, it can work if politicians & corporations stay away. In fact it is the only way to save us from doom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkRFCtl2MI&list=FLYJadzXvXZyOOxHWZBCWLEA&index=4
Have you watched this. It makes great sense.
also given today's technolgy with satellite imaging (infra red).. it will not take very long at all to map much of the world's resources.. not all of them probably.. but a start.. obviously this is a great departure from the current.. so a transition would be best accomplished in phases.. these phases to be planned out by the best and brightest minds in the scientific community which i do not pretend to be in league with
excellent point!!! truely clever... so does it just end there? thats it.. we don't make the effort?
who's we? you guys don't need an account of all the earths resources, nor could you get one. China is not going to just let you role through with a spectrometer. Many materials are also being processed and changed as we speak so it would be very difficult to get an accurate reading. if you have the tech to build self sustaining cities, do it. One brick at a time. On the other hand saying " I have a plan but I will need the cooperation of all of earths people and access to all of earths resources to execute it." Nobody will truly believe it's achievable.
you say noboby... yet i believe.. so that debunks your debunking statement right there... if the world's population rally around an idea anything is possible.. you mention china.. do you remember tienamim square?? if the people of the planet realize this is in their best interest who's to say it noonve will believe its achievable..
Ok I over reached when I said "nobody" but, If you studied sociology or evolutionary group behavior you would know that it is practically impossible to get 100% of a large population to behave similarly for the greater good of the whole group. Whatever it is you want to do, some people will see it as an opportunity to enrich themselves doing the opposite. As for Tienanmen Square, the Chinese people had and still have a lot of hard evidence that they are being oppressed by their government. The evidence of the oppression is what helped them take collective action. Of all the inventions the Venus Project wants to use to have self sustaining cities, they have build no working models in advance. If you want to use stuff that other people have already invented that's fine, but what about the stuff that hasn't been invented yet? Who is going to build it where and when?
not sure there is enough shark's fin to satisfy everyone in the world.
i don't eat shark simply because i don't eat what i don't want to be eaten by.. but seriously did you watch the clip.. do you have a commnet?
i read the RBE arguments.
computers figuring out what is the optimally efficient way to live sounds really fantastic.
but engaging in excessiveness and waste is the most fantastically satisfying thing in the world.
you won't understand until you have thrown away tens of thousands of dollars on absurdly luxurious delicacies in a single dinner.
so yes i know all about what we call "balliin" within my sphere of influence...but thats just empty.. my greatest fullfilment is when i see my son smiling, or catch a great wave... or hear a great tune... spending for the sake of spending is as emptly as having sex with some one i feel nothing for in my heart
my friend..i live on the north shore of oahu, i travel the world first class...i have a cadillac, an apartment in manhattan.. businesses in nyc and puerto rico.. i've spent money and lived "the good life" i've done well in the market economy.. however i've always been one who cares about the greater good.. .my success has not been at the expense of others but i am a rare breed. ... which is why i care..
exactly, you are a rare breed.
the RBE will do well if it was a closed environment with people that are exactly like you.
but we are all born different and we all desire different things and people like me who desire competition and winning will clearly destroy the foundation of RBE.
wow. when your days are over i hope you can look back with true happiness. full stop.
How about simply having free access to luxurious delicacies or sharing access to rockets (off-world travel), underwater cities, maglev travel, and all other high level technologies? e.g. Free access to disney world type parks?
All the (sustainable) millionaire toys would become common place if a RBE was implemented.
Another video example: The future by design
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJaLFMf7IA
i don't think there's enough bluefin tuna to feed everyone otoro once a day.
These videos address the most common economic arguments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKpau1Dx6DQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbBgkE5v7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9vRuhTLpFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf0ZMa2re4Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEK1-zjdME
i will watch these now and report back
yeah.... meh.
most of the arguments are around 'everyone can live like millionaires'
i don't want to be equally rich. i want to be richer. i want to be the envy of others.
that's the facking best feeling in the world.
heh, do something inspirational if you want to be envied/praised.
If you want to be despised and hated, gloat about your superiority.
Either way, no money is required
great point..
are you serious or being ironic.. i hope this is a shot at irony..
some people like being where they are.
some people like competing and winning.
a world without competition would be boring. why do you think the olympics is such a grand affair? it is also the celebration of the greatest unfairness on humanity - that these people we regard highly were born with significant advantages in strength, speed, and size over the rest of the human population.
btw.. the olympics are a grand affair as they highlight the achievements of athletes.. and yes many sports are combative in nature and some are not, ie, gymnastics, snowboarding, skiing, etc.. the point is to see how far the human can push their own limits.. not just in defeating others..
you are far too cynical for me to engage in dialogue right now...please take some time... do some research into the Zeitgeist Movement.. and get back to me.. all the best, Kevin..
ps i am absolutely open minded in a balanced dialogue..
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