Forum Post: The Tea Party never got this much support around the entire nation
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 11:22 a.m. EST by RationalReaper
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That does tell ya something doesn't it?
Have any of you heard of the concept of, "The quest for the hundredth monkey"?
This was an experiment based back when nuclear weapons were first being tested by the United States. The experiment proceeded as follows:
The U.S. military went and tested a hydrogen bomb out on a remote island, the land obviously became radio-active. The experiments main goal was to see how long it would take for land to become liveable again after a nuclear attack. Thousands of monkeys were then released onto the island to see how they would react. Out of these, 10 monkeys were trained in washing coconuts, their prime food source on the island, in the fresh water systems on the island. The food needed to be cleaned or else the consumer would fall ill and die. Days go by, and eventually 12 monkeys are cleaning coconuts; proceeded by 15, 36, 54, and soon 99 monkeys were washing their food before they consumed it. Then something interesting happened. Once the hundredth monkey began washing its food in the stream, simultaneously, all the other monkeys on the island began to do the same.
I see OccupyWallStreet like this experiment. While the movement keeps growing, it is inevitable that at some point, all of the world will open their eyes to what is really going on and there will be revolution! Support OccupyWallStreet with all you have, together we can not fail!
That story is a MYTH. Please do some research before promoting a falsehood.
The story may be a myth, but the analogy works.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: One of the main pillars of Conservative propaganda is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and therefore no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference between the parties. A stark difference! One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference. One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference. One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality. In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy. So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re and Anti-American mob. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one. Choose wisely, your future is at stake
Damn right
Well said.
Story, concept, and myth.
I can see the simultaneous effect as the result as slightly far fetched. But as you can see with the OWS movement, the increase of people following this movement is increasing. There may not be "the 100th person" to join OWS that results in ultimate unity to the movement, but it will continue to grow.
As I see the world, people can be classified into three categories. Those who see what is really going on and vow to change what they see as wrong based on facts. Those that are heart set that nothing is wrong and continue with their lives how ever they are proceeding. And there are those who know something is going on, but are willing to educate them selves with what is really going on around them. No matter how you see it, it is 2 on 3. OWS are those people who are not quite sure what is going on and what caused it, but are dedicated to finding out and promoting the cause. The remaining 1/3 are going down with the sinking ship.
Here here!
Yes, OWS has wide support. But people need to see a unified intelligent message based around an idea of reform that will bring results and relief.
Yes, the media has been forced to follow this. They ried to ignore it as long as they could, and when they do show video now it is of stupid crowd scuffles and arrests.
The unified message is there...if you can't see it...you aren't looking or listening
Without specific demands of substance your are inviting no change. If the protests escalate to wide scale violence you have no way to curtail it besides war. If it doesn't escalate to wide scale violence OWS will fizzle out happy to be a footnote in history. Demands will get results, unified messages become....well...messages.
This country has always enjoyed violence...civil war, civil rights movement, Iraq, and Afghanistan...what happened to peaceful protests...sanctions...etc...? Unfortunately, it will take death and bloodshed to effectuate much needed and well deserved change....as.. U. S... history shows.....time..and...time! Don't be afraid...the police can protect you...or...the banks and politicians.
Peaceful protests come and go all the time. Unfortunatly peaceful protests happen to be a rote form of propaganda to keep people at bay. Sometimes violence is required. The universe is a chaotic place, destruction breeds creation. Can things be accomplished peacefully? Yes, but a strong leader is required. This country has suffered without a leader for a long time. Things are bad now because business has had no real leadership. The country like a household or business as a whole needs leadership. That leadership has been missing and this last stint with bush (not an ambitions leader), and Clinton has left the rudder loose to the chagrin of most, the 99%.
Business leadership and that of entire countries is not about making administrative decisions, it is about setting the tone and direction of the moral compass. The people simply take their queue from that and steer the rudder to fit that lead. When Jimmy Carter outright asked the American people to pay off their debts while when he was president a flood of pay downs rushed in surprising the hell out of the banking and financial sectors.
Obama could lead if he wanted to or was capable. All you have to do is get on TV and talk to us. Talk straight, set the tone, or ask us for help. The people are literally dying for leadership.
OWS-wholly owned subsidiary of the DNC.
yes.
when the media is a party to your efforts you have an open pass.
The Tea Party is well integrated with the republican party. They certainly do have a whole lot of support.
Well of course not, because you had everyone from the President; VP, members of Congress and of course their willing puppets in the media referring to them as 'teabaggers' 'racists', etc. I cannot understand why the OWS wouldn't support the tea party. They too want greed out of politics, greed out of Washington, especially, who have taken this country into the pits.
Tea.. Who? Oh....the group of racists...who want their country back...hopefully, they can use google maps to find out where their country is located!
Right, and all the OWS'ers are nothing but dirty pot-smoking hippies advocating COMMUNISM.
How on EARTH do you advance the cause by alienating OTHERS with your name-calling?
Unfortunately, they use pot...because they cant afford cocaine/crack/valium/and oxy...like the Tea Party(ers).
Not alienation...use the tea party's website ....to spew your vile...they have no ethnic diversity....all..i...see..is anglo americans...no blacks, hispanics, or minorities..and very few women....which creates a majority in this country..take ur money, lower taxes, cut your debt, and create your own country...where you can be ruler/king!
The Tea Party FAVORITES in the Republican Primary include a Woman (M. Bachmann) and a Black Man (H. Cain). You can CERTAINLY disagree with these two (and I DO), but you CAN'T say the Tea Party is "RACIST" when their LEADING CANDIDATES are a WOMAN and a BLACK MAN.
SPEW YOUR HATRED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
More of the same! You must have a mental impairment...they represent nothing and nobody...thats why...perry and romney have all the financial campaign support from the RIGHT WING, and their establishment...
That they didn't have the funding of the 1%?
that too
More because most people don't understand who's actually behind this and what the real purpose is.
There was nothing at all "spontaneous" or "organic" about this "movement." It's been very well orchestrated by Kalle Lasn and associated groups for the sole purpose of creating chaos in his long-running attack on capitalism and the US (see links below). This group had been searching for some time for a cause and target to occupy in the model of Tahrir (i.e., the action being primary, the cause being secondary). The difficulty observed in deriving a coherent message from the protestors reflects that there truly was no message beyond just that.
Now this might be cool with the anarchists among those involved, but it's not going to play very well with many others particularly after they've put their butts on the line and hearts into it. Hopefully, nobody gets hurt in the process of playing in a game that they don't even understand. The desire on the part of the media to present it as something that it is not is completely disingenuous, extraordinarily self-serving, and negligent with respect to its duty to report the facts as they may be versus what some may like them to be. Most troubling is how a large group of disenchanted youth, as well as the media, can be so easily manipulated.
Once the general public and popular media finally put the pieces together and the truth of the story comes out, which it will, this sham of a "movement" is going to very quickly implode and there will be many supporters, politicians, and news organizations left looking very foolish and used.
And, yep, they fooled me too at first. I was a sympathetic supporter until I took the time to actually peek to see the man behind the curtain.
Background on Kalle Lasn:
http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/36-adbusters
More information regarding the origin of this "spontaneous movement," including that the primary OWS web site was originally registered to Lasn (since hidden using an anonymous registration service) in early June 2011, prior to the July time frame he states in various interviews as when this all began:
http://ironicsurrealism.com/2011/10/08/canadian-adbusters-sounded-1st-occupywallstreet-call-2-arms-who-are-they/
Interview with Lasn claiming responsibility:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/occupy-wall-street-an-interview-with-kalle-lasn-the-man-behind-it-all/2011/10/12/gIQAC81xfL_blog.html
Lots more if you want to look for it. Spread the word.
Sorry bub...you are just plain wrong
Actually it is sad that you can’t see the truth in what he says. Then again, you might not be interested in truth.
No, actually I'm really not. Look around on your own and you'll see that's exactly the case. Or check with Kalle, not like he's hiding the fact. In it's rush to glamorize it as some kind of "American Spring" the popular media have failed to mention that it's being led by an avowed anarchist. But he's not shy about it, just ask him. You thought this was about Wall Street and unemployment? lol Silly newb.
Yeah, One of the main pillars of Conservative propaganda is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and therefore no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference between the parties. A stark difference! One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference. One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference. One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality. In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy. So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re and Anti-American mob. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one. Choose wisely, your future is at stake
interesting, but sadly even the dems are in it for the money
you are not ows
ows is not party oriented