Forum Post: The Tea Party Joke
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 6:46 p.m. EST by bmatus
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What's funny about the Tea Party is that they are out there beating the drum for the rich, when most of them are middle class. They are saying NO to taxing the rich (making more than a Million a year). Give me a break you lunkheads. Most Tea Party people won't break $150K a year. The people we need to be Taxing are the Mega-rich. They usually only pay 10% on their capital gains. That's right 10%, because they have no other income but capital gains on investment sales. So, TEA PARTY PEOPLE defend that. I pay at least 20% income Tax and if I were to sell a rental property I would have to pay 15% capital gains ( haha thats a joke my rentals have lost 50% value).
P.S please defend the Koch Brothers whose purchases of Oil from Iran have bought IEDs that have killed and maimed American soldiers. Please PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME WHY THEY ARE NOT IN JAIL.
What's up with all these divisive comments? I'm a Tea Partier, Ron Paul libertarian. I'll never get 100% of what I want. I'll settle for 70%. Look there's an opportunity I see here, to get rid of the fascists, which is in the interest of everyone but the fascists. They are the 1%. Let's not be fools and allow ourselves to be divided once again. The fascists want you to have these little quarrels so that some of us go left, others go right and therefore America stays essentially divided and no movement has any power.
Hear, hear - Ron Paul 2012 - to end the FED, to get this nation back on track - to end the wars...
Im alright with that but I dont want to unite behind Ron Paul.
yeah as much as i love ron paul( invested a lot of hours in his 08 campaign) i don't see the majority of this country going for him. I'll take 80% Ron Paul given the opportunity. Even 50% but let's get rid of these bankers and politicians. While we're at it let's get rid of the fascist health insurance companies and fascist big pharma
Especially big pharma. Why does it cost so much less overseas? That is a question they dont have the answer to.
I think the tea party and OWS have a lot in common. For one, there is a LOT of disagreement within the respective groups. Even the tea party doesn't really want to pick a leader. But one difference, OWS generally does want to eliminate the bush tax cuts on the super rich.
Sudoname surprisingly they do! http://www.teaoccupyunited.com
Since it was set up I've been seeing a convergence of voices telling me we do have common ground.
fine sure no problem. If we really got rid of the fascist bankers, prosperity would come back to this country and nobody would care about the bush cuts. I'm sure we can make a list of all the things we disagree on. But who cares right now we have an opportunity to put the heat on these politicians like they've never dreamed of
Hear, hear! United we stand. Divided we fall.
The problem with the Tea party ids that they don't realize what they want or what they support. They are controlled and brain washed by big monied interest and too incoherent to know the difference.
I wish somebody would give me bribe money. Don't over-generalize man. I just voted out of office a republican senator and a republican congressman. The special interest groups wanted them to stay, trust me.
So why do tea party people bring guns to demonstrations, is that democracy or a show of force?
Why do tea party people go to Washington and spit on representatives?
What are tea party people talking about when they say Take Back The Country, and no taxes at the same time. All of the tax breaks over the past thirty years have gone to the people that have received the largest increases in wealth and the largest tax breaks in history at the same time.
Why have the only jobs the Job Creators have created over the past 30 years been created in China. Maybe because the very same wealthy people can get more profit by paying workers in china 90 cents an hour with no benefits and no regulations. Maybe they think the profits are more valuable than a productive middle class in their own country.
Why have the tea party sided with the extreme anti abortion position that says a woman who's life is at take from a problem pregnancy can not have a legal abortion? I guess they feel their religious ideas should apply to everyone and if we don't agree those ideas should be forced on us. Is that freedom of religion? Is that seperation of church and state?
If the tea party is so worried about the debt why don't they want to raise taxes on multinational corporations many of which do not pay any taxes at all, in addition, many of then get huge tax refunds.
If the tea party thinks government is out of control why do they take money from the Koch brothers, why do they use one of the biggest special interest lobbyiest, namely Dick Army, as their spoke person and organizer?
Why is, an x-Gov., x-VP canidate, tea party queen not running, maybe because she was only in it for the money in the first place.
As you can see, I do not, and never will trust anything that comes from anyone that wants to continue the tea party platform.
The fact is the tea party is an astro turff organization paid for and organized by special interest.
why the prejudice? I've never brought guns or spat on any congressman. You are confusing the real tea party with the republican party who co-opted the tea party. Let's not let this happen with OWS and then it can truly be 99% of the people rather than 99% of democrats or 99% of football fans. You're wasting your time trying to tear something down that isn't worth your time. Focus on building something up that is well worth your time.
Let the tea party change themselves and then I will believe they are sincere.
Let the National Leader of the Tae Party go on national TV and say they are willing to tax the rich.
Let him say they are willing to investigate Wall Street.
Let him say they are willing to help the poor
Let him say they are willing to allow women their reproductive rights
Let them say they are willing to invest in American Jobs
If they do all of that om national TV MAYBE, MAYBE I will start to believe them.
Any "Grass Roots MOVEMENT that allows itself to become "Co-opted" is not grass roots and is not by any means a MOVEMENT.
Write me back when the tea party does this.
you'll never get that from the tea party or OWS or any group that large. It's too diverse a group. In addition whoever you get on national TV will be a republican who co-opted the group. Just watch, Nancy Pelosi will be speaking on behalf of OWS. She's a multi-millionaire corrupt politician, who couldn't be further from a representative of OWS, but she will claim that she started it. TURN OFF YOUR TV! It's all lies! Don;t believe a word of it.
"So, TEA PARTY PEOPLE defend that."
Tea partiers generally think that our federal government and corrupt crony banks and corporations are OUT OF CONTROL. First you must regain control, before shoveling more money into the beast...the way to gain control of our money is to go to the creation and control source - de-charter the FED.
Otherwise, you are not dealing with the cause.
Ron Paul 2012
You shouldn't lump Tea Party members into one group. I think that many tea party people might be looking at the movement, and saying just maybe this is the time to rally change things. After all, initially they also were against the bailouts. Maybe if we talk to each other they may find this movement to their liking. Harsh words are what will divide us. We are all together in this, anyone who wants to join I am sure would be welcome.
"The Tea Party Joke" - the 1% would love nothing more than for OWS to slam, insult ridicule and otherwise cajole the tea parties, and vice versa. The TPs should be a natural protesting partner of OWS against the grossly criminal 1%. Let's not let them succeed in this strategy - reach out beyond your old political persuasions (and her I speak to both OWS and TPs) - to oppose the 1%.
The tea party started out as a non-partisan protest motivated primarily by anger at the Wall Street bailout - not too different from the OWS.
Then the Repugs took ownership of it and the rest is history.
Now the Dems are attempting to own the OWS.
I think it'd be awesome if the truly non-partisan, anti-1% members of BOTH movements joined forces.
I'm concerned that this thing is going to become nothing more than the Democrat version of the Tea Party. F*CK partisan politics - we need to work together to restore democracy and separate Money from State.
So no more bailouts and subsidies...that is a start. We can both agree on that.
I never understood that about the Tea Party either. I dont want them to have class envy, but some recognition that there really is a wealth gap that needs to be fixed.....that the middle class is getting the shaft from the rich would be better than what I see as pandering.
"I dont want them to have class envy, but some recognition that there really is a wealth gap that needs to be fixed.....that the middle class is getting the shaft from the rich would be better than what I see as pandering."
This is absolutely true. There's a huge component within the tea parties that supports de-chartering the FED - that is the source of this disparity and the source of the inordinate power of the 1%...
You have to figure out what comes after the fed....but also what happened before the Fed. We didnt have a very equitable system then.
Money systems have tended to fall apart every 40 years or so for at least a few hundred years. What comes after the FED is either a 100% gold backed money (with the money stock adjusting to the amount of the rare metal), or non-debt based money issued by accountable governments, and which amount is regulated by a reasonable economic need (this would also serve to take us off the grow at all costs insane path we're on - which is clearly unsustainable - and all the more so, as more of the world tries to consume more and more...
Please read this blog and see that Freedom's Vision has a clear answer of non-debt backed money after the FED's charter is taken away. http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2009/12/freedoms-vision-introduction.html
It's because they are such greedy assholes they are certain they will someday be millionaires and they don't want their money taxed.
I went to a Tea Party Rally. I must say that I've never met a nicer group of people. They were clean, well dressed, respectful and they picked up after themselves. How many of them got arrested? None. I think we should learn a few lessons from them- and there's nothing wrong with that. If we don't handle ourselves with class, civility and respect for ourselves and others, everyone will just say what they are saying about us now. That sends the wrong message.
1. END THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives power to Congress to “coin money and regulate the value thereof.” John F. Kennedy was the last President that attempted to restore this power back to where it belonged. The Federal Reserve is a private bank that is owned by powerful international banking families. The “Federal Reserve” is as “Federal” as is “Federal Express.”
2. END THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX AND THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE.
Adopt a Federal value added tax (VAT) OR a flat tax that is fair to all.
A VAT would fairly tax all individuals and corporations based on consumption with unprepared food and medicines being exempted from taxation. Those who can afford to purchase a luxury yacht, a private jet, a mansion with an ocean view and lavish dining at an exquisite restaurant would pay a much higher amount in consumption taxes whereas those who can only afford a picture of a yacht, a round-trip airline ticket to go to visit grandma for Christmas, a studio apartment with a parking lot view and an occasional meal at McDonalds would pay much lower taxes for their consumption. It would take very few federal employees to administer this form of taxation.
A flat tax would tax all individuals and corporations at the same percentage of their income with no deductions and no exemptions, regardless of how the income is derived. A federal tax return, regardless of the amount of income should be no longer than one page and the corresponding regulations should be no longer than 25 to 30 pages.
Either one of these forms of taxation would serve to eliminate lobbyists and corrupt politicians.
3. END ALL WARS AND ALL FOREIGN OCCUPATIONS THAT UTILIZE OUR MILITARY.
Our military should continue to be the best and most well equipped in the world but should be utilized to protect our borders from illegal invaders. Bring the troops home and see how quickly we can begin to reduce our federal debt.
4. IMPOSE SUBSTANTIAL TARIFFS ON GOODS AND SERVICES THAT ARE PRODUCED BY U.S. CORPORATIONS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
The United States is still the biggest market in the world. U.S. Corporations that have manufacturing operations in China, Mexico, India and other countries so as to exploit lower labor costs should be required to pay high tariffs to sell their products in the United States. I have no doubt that most of those manufacturing jobs would move back to the United States if those high tariffs were to be imposed! Let’s once again be proud of the “MADE IN THE U.S.A.” label on products that we use!
Look, many tea party people are a bit misinformed, maybe stuck in certain prejudices (but arent we all?).....however we should find what unites us rather than divides.....the financial elites WANT us fighting one another
I wonder if this post is an example of the divide and conquer tactic in reaction to this fabulous post from a conservative who talks about our common interests.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/friendly-advice-from-someone-who-usually-disagrees/
So all investments are successful?
Hey hey hey! Hostility is not the answer but education.
Also - I hear from a lot of Tea Party people who are sick of being represented by clowns like Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachman. Most of them like Ron Paul.
Oh wait you did make actual points nevermind.
Although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
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I was glad when the tea party rallies happened because it was the first time many people got involved. Even though their platform got distorted to a point that I could do not support, it was much better than apathy. For the same reason, I am so glad the OWS movement has energized more people to give a shit. We really have a lot in common with the Tea party and there are many issues on which we can find common ground -- the biggest being getting the corporate money out of politics.
The Boston Tea Party was a direct action by colonists in Boston, a town in the British colony of Massachusetts, against the British government and the monopolistic East India Company that controlled all the tea imported into the colonies. - from Wikipedia
How you fix a "wealth gap" is at issue. Advocating worn out already tried ideas from the 20th century, (e.g.Marxism, Socialism, Totaltarianism, AntiSemitism, Racism, Unionism ) which the placards of numerous of you protesters proudly carry, shows the support of extreme members of your movement and will only alienate you. This has all been done before, and you offer a rehash of the same failed ideas. That can't be pinned on the Tea Party boogie man, which I might ad shows the heavy influence of the Progressive Democratic Party on you, and, their failure in the previous two years when they essentially controlled the government only resulted in one of the most corrupt and failed administrations in United States history. You want to attach yourself to the rich Democrats? That reads hypocrisy to the thinking average citizen.
"What's funny about the Tea Party is that they are out there beating the drum for the rich, when most of them are middle class."
While the tea parties are far from perfect, this is not a general truth. Your lack of information about the tea parties must mean that you haven't even visited, and spoken with participants from one of the hundreds of localized groups. In any case, you prove by your comments that you're not interested in 'the 99', you may be interested in 'the 29' or 'the 19...'
"What's funny about the Republican Party is that they are out there beating the drum for the rich, when most of them are middle class."
now it's a true statement.
I detest the Republican party and am proud to be a tea partier. Why they call me "radical right-wing" doesn't compute
Right - I agree - which is why many in the tea parties are working to drastically reform the political parties and make them more responsive. The most important thing we can do to reform politics is to cut off the snake's head - THE FED. End (de-charter) the FED NOW.
Ron Paul 2012
Tea Party has been infiltrated and the media equates you with Sarah Palin so not surprising.
I have my reasons for liking Sarah Palin but I'll keep them to myself in order to do what's really important.
"the media equates you"
You trust the media? That's a laugher...;) We should really talk to each other out here in these protest movements...in any case, we need to attack the source of our ills - and that the FED which feeds the debt enslavement machine of the corrupt millionaire politicians of both parties, and the crony capitalists.
I didn't say I did I said that a lot of people equate the Tea Party with her.
So I said people like the OP consider you Sarah Palin not me.
Sorry - I get what you were saying now. I don't trust the media, let me just say that...they are into controversy, and don't hesitate to write salacious rumor - plus they just don't seem that interested in what's really important - like the FED's role in the ongoing economic debacle, and the fact that no one has been arrested for the sub-prime mortgage/mortgage derivative fiasco...
It's alright - it's their job to distract.
Koch brothers got money. As one has learned from the OJ1995 trail...got money,no jail. I agree with you statement about the tea party folks. I know some of...most are blinded by the trees in the forrest. They don't know they are in New Millenium SERFDOM 2001. As you can see by some comments listed below.
The Republican party has a monopoly on corporate corruption and on hating grandmothers.
They all ought to be in jail.
If I didn't think you believed that tripe, it would be funny.
i lol'd at it anyways, even though he believes it
She, thank you. And I was pointing out that they're all a bunch of corrupt bastards.
I know right, I am so happy that no one in the democratic party has ever taken campaign donations from corrupt corporations, unions or any other corrupt organization.
Yes we can!
Well, what's your defence of a couple of rich bastards buying oil from a country known to supply weapons to KILL American soldiers. I know it's ahhhhh capitalism ya know their living the american dream. Is the soldier being fit for a new leg living his dream? GO Blow them if you like them so much. Tell Me why arn't they in Jail? They have violated the Law directly until 2006 then are still buying it thru a shell company.
i dont know why they aren't in jail. maybe you should call eric holder and give him a tip on that one.
All you have to do is tell Eric Holder you work for a big bank and you won't be prosecuted!
Well Mr Snarkey how about the Tax rate for the uber rich. Wait I know that one too. They are job creators. Yea right just like John Mack of Goldman-Sachs who made $100 Million in one week thru insider trading (never convicted despite vast evidence). Is he a "JOB CREATOR"?
effective tax rates are more or less the same as the "higher" tax rates of the 1970s
no seriously, these koch guys sound pretty bad, you need to call the police or the fbi or someone