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Forum Post: THE REAL ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO REAL FREEDOM AND TRUE DEMOCRACY

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 7, 2011, 3:03 a.m. EST by beyondmoney22 (233)
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How is this for a laser solution. the problems that plague the world are many but the solution is very simple if you can actually wrap your head around it. the collective world needs to understand one simple thing the one thing that will shut down all of the corporatocracy, banks, insurance companies, credit card companies and allow us to move into a new true democracy, of the people, by the people, for the people, and that is to rid our world of all money. protest money. gone. what that does in turn, is cut of the head of the "beast" by not acknowleging the value of any established currency worldwide. period. once you understand the dynamics of a moneyless system you are closer to understanding true freedom. as long as money exists freedom does not. that is the ultimate, one shot solution to really change the world. i know i have to address the inevitable question of how to make a worldwide transition into a fully renewable and sustainable world beyond money so i will try to keep it short: Step one:EDUCATE: become one voice of humanity, one mission, one mind. Step two: every town, community, city, county, state, country, and continent has to create electronic secure voting sites where everyone can use their SSN or other identifiers to log on and vote on every issue big and small from the products on the shelves to global warfare this will create the framework for solid local democracies where the people decide everythingfor themselves (including laws). Step three: set up food, health/hygeine, and renewable energy co-ops locally in every community to be more self sufficient and sustainble. Step 4: using the lastest transportation technologies we have to build intercontinetal mag-lev trains to transport people, resources, etc. (All you need is a single rail which can accomodate 3 trains simultaneously. large freight on top, two hanging under. easy to make and an invaluable asset to the people of the world.) Step 5: force all car makers to manufacture electric or other 100% renewable personal transortation in non fossil fuelled factories , if they dont we shut them down and make our own car companies, but a few will be on board im sure. and they will make these cars by recycling everyones current cars. straight trade. Step 6: free wireless electricity worldwide. (see tesla). Step 7: Burn all the money and shut down the corporatocracy and the banks. obviously there is much more to this plan but these are the basic steps to ensue the least amount of casualties during a transition to world beyond money. this will literally cure humanity of its greed and free the world to become what the people want. this is real freedom. this can work. some unknown force inspired me and have been writing this plan for the past 6months unsure of what or why i was writing it (for). But now i can say that i do know. it is for mankind. its for all of us. i can see that everyone is quick to jump on the problems, but the only thing i focus on is the solution. and this is the ultimate solution to 99 out of 100 problems facing our people. most all the speculatory demands are ridiculous because they dont offer to fix the problems at the root. the root is money. as the old saying goes you cant have your cake and eat it too..money or freedom thats the choice. i think the people are ready to part ways with money they just need to be more educated to understand that the monetary system was just a stepping stone that has turned into a boulder wedged between the wheels of progress and time.

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[-] 2 points by MerchantofLight (46) from Chicago, IL 13 years ago

I don't feel like getting paid in chickens

[-] 1 points by republicofolancho (35) 13 years ago

We in Olancho are already setting an example that can be replicated everywhere. This new nation is a work in progress [just like our website]. The people of Olancho wanted to be independent and prosperous and thus embraced joining forces with outsiders who brought a diverse set of ideas and skills.

Olancho was founded by an alliance of rugged individualists who succeeded in ridding irrational and dangerous industrial society precepts to create a resilient nation based on equitable prosperity, small-scale production and an economy limited by the efficiencies of nature.

Olancho seceded from Honduras in 2011 to become the first energy-independent constitutional republic that integrates liberty, self-reliance and free-enterprise with permaculture, agro-ecology, soil husbandry, food security and natural resource conservation.

The people of Olancho have reasserted the legitimate jurisdiction of private rights and environmental stewardship against unsustainable living, rampant consumerism, economic shocks, oppressive oligarchies and engorging bureaucracies in Latin America, the United Sates and Europe.

Olancho is the idea that human prosperity and thriving ecosystems are achievable through the application of renewable energy and appropriate technologies, sustainable agricultural practices and good government.

The economy of Olancho is heavily weighted to the primary sector. Small private enterprises intensively manage highly productive farms and related industries. Each community maximizes its ability to sustain itself with food, water, energy and other resources necessary for human health, well being and prosperity. Surpluses are traded between communities within Olancho and imports and exports are traded with other nations.

Economic growth is strengthened by a unified market, a supportive political-legal system, vast natural resources, a culture that values entrepreneurship and a commitment to investing in material and human capital.

www.republicofolancho.com

At no other time are the masses of the people in a position to come forward so actively as creators of new political, economic and social orders as at a time of revolution.

¡Viva la Revolución! ¡VIVA OLANCHO!

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

good stuff. very inspirational. we are dealing with American greed which only can be eliminatee by cutting off the root of power and becoming more like Olancho. awesome. LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

this is not a real or ultimate solution, its nonsensical and infantile. https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150399526600833

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

nope. sorry that you cant make sense of it. what solutions to the problems of humanity do you propose???????

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

funny you should ask. i been collecting them for twenty years. theres no chance you have the time for even a fraction of them, but you can start here.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=169262663125231#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=165096780208486 V.I.I.R.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=168277696557061

University Project First Steps

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=168279776556853

University Project Brainstorm

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=168142193237278

NICE University

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=167877999930364

Psychonautics Textbook

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=167448986639932

Socratic Method

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166330673418430

Different Kinds of Geothermal Power

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166259990092165

Common Myths and Misconceptions About Geothermal Power

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166255476759283

Zero Carbon Cities

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166254060092758

Energy cost Benefit Analysis

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166057976779033

Applications In Practice and Theory for Arcologies

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166041926780638

Mega Scale Engineering Criteria

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main Problems Clusters

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sugestions on how to proceed

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=169262663125231#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=165099426874888

WAR vs Economic Social Justice

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

These are all good ideas for sure i agree.

However none of these ideas offers a solutions to fix the problems of this world.

Instead they offer great outlines for individual problems and better more effective and efficient ways of communicating and constructing.

none of these suggestions are practically applicable in a monetary society as far gone as ours is. maybe 15yrs ago they could have implimented some of these ideals. we are past that.

i do agree with viral communication that is essential and necessary. but what message are you trying to communicate to the world?

you cant just show up with outlines and pre-planned agendas.

the people once they are gathered should put these things together as a group for the collective.

most of these are talking semantics, after money you should become a project coordinator or something that allows you to micro manage people.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

all of these solutions are quite practical for the world we live in. my real calling is to run an open source think tank.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

and you would be great at that. and yes they are very practical. too practical. lol. jk. they are good ideas. but how is better housing developments, classical philosophy (i read socrates and aristotle love em) etc. solve the problems of the corporatocracy running the world into the ground, paying the gov to make it continue to happen, and the banks, credit card companies, insurance companies, the list goes on and on. how would you propose to fix the world system. no links just answer off the top of your head

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

use open source direct democracy and have a long over due paradigm shift. You know theres a tidal wave of truth thats been held back for 60 years or 100. All we have to do is call it home and surf it.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

touche! thats radical. thats real. that is exactly what i am saying. well put. the only way we can call it our own is if we have the ultimate human demonstration to rid the powers that be of that power. and the only way to do that is to scratch the money system, maintain common law and encourage open source direct democracy locally all the way up to a direct democratic world government that allows communities to govern themselves as well as contribute to world issues. Surfs up bro!!!

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

kowabunga.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

totally bodacious! lol

[-] 1 points by Madhusudana (90) 13 years ago

How is this for a suggestion: if you want people to read what you write, express your ideas in a format that makes the information easier to process (i.e. <p>
etc.)

I say this for your benefit, not as a dick- you're going to get better feedback if you encourage smarter people to contribute.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

i re-edited and posted again

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

that is a great suggestion. ty. im used to the pen and paper thing. my typing etiquitte is lacking. but it can only improve right? lol. thanks for the advice.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

wow did you see that dante? on this very site posted 15min ago. "More on Convening a third continetal congress elected by the people" " a shadow congress" thats wierd. i was just telling you that we should do that and you laughed at that comment and said good luck, "Bwaaaahaaaahaaaaaa. Good luck OWS. You need to quiet these types down or you're going to be laughed out of NY." well i guess im lucky cause that was fast. i think you need to re-evaluate what your supporting. cause i know what im supporting and you are really confused why we have to do these things to protect our humanity.

[-] 1 points by TR1 (1) 13 years ago

This system is call a Resource Based Economy. If you wanna learn more about it please check out: http://www.thevenusproject.com/

They explain it very well, though it does sound pretty silly at first. Since we have all been ingrained with the Monetary-System our entire lives. (Make what you want from it, because i'm not going to argue what you should believe or shouldn't)

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

Hey, Sry i came off a little brash, narrow minded and inconsiderate i was getting irritated with this dante guy and i thought he posted this. lol. sorry i was rude to you.

the venus project is one of the first things i learned about in my journey to total enlightenment. excellent stuff.

i totally agree. the monetary system is WHITE COLLAR SLAVERY!!

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

jaque fresco. yeah pal been there learned that. this definetly incorporates a resource based world. but not exactly the way fresco sees it. he is an innovator and will be know as such. maybe design some communities who knows. but it is only a piece of the whole picture. i cant give a link to look up because my ideas are based on my own research and acquired wisdom. i can tell you who inspires me if that will help, maybe you can look them up: Jfk, ghandi, Mlk, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Nicola Tesla, Edgar Cayce, Fresco, Leonardo Di vinci, Jesus Christ, Wisnton Churchhill, Henry wadsworth Longfellow, Fredrich Niestche, Plato, Aristotle, Sigmund Freud, Henry David Thoreau, Immortal Technique, Tupac, sun tzu, H.G. wells, William Shakespere, The Incan empire, The Mayans, Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Eastern Philosophy: India and Asian empires....that should get you off to a pretty good start.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

This is LOL funny. You got answers right? OK, who is going to do the heavy lifting? My neighbor sweeps floors and I have to help carry 1 ton steel girders over a mile. Yet, we're both equal. Well, I think I'm done carrying and going to start sweeping since we both get the same thing for it.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

lmfao. your funny man, i guess your humor replaces your intellect. i cant write every solution for you personally for that you need to dust the cob webs off the old cranium and do some thinking for yourself. but just so you understand you wont have to lift anything. when you live in an advanced society then technology will be designed by to avoid or to manage your current job so that way you can help where it really matters. like in your community helping the other people that will quit their jobs too and start more truly productive jobs ie..building local renewable energies systems, producing, manufacturing or maybe you might choose stay home and perhaps read a book, learn a trade, pick up some kind of constructive life goals that you may have had as a child, idk know what someone like you would do with a free life, maybe you could stay home and play every video game that has every been made on every system, go to college it will be free to everyone and the people that feel called to teach, teachers, already work for pennies i know hundreds of thousands more that are qualified will come back out of their de-sensitized, intensly regulated shells to educate the new generations of humanity about living in a world with a collective self confidence, individual self respect, solidarity, determination, courage and unity for these are the culteral building blocks for mass democratic politics. but this will be a different type of education, REAL teaching, a REAL education, about every topic, nothing taboo, provoking real thoughts. essentially we will be de-materializing the world and re-instilling the potential in the individual. humanity has no biological determinism, that intelligence and the ability to create and to understand are not characteristics belonging to races, groups, organizations, corporations, etc. but rather the individual. WE ARE THE 99%! WE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL! WE ARE THE WORLD! WE CAN ELECT OUR OWN CONGRESS WE CAN BE FREE TO CREATE! FREE TO INVENT AND EXPLORE! now just so you know there will still be laws, but laws written and agreed upon by every citizen worldwide. which could be done in a matter of minutes with a world wide voting network created by the people for the people to communicate these laws to the 99%. and vote from a list of ideas submitted by the people, im sure we will find some similarities and come to a common ground for the general laws of humanity. but other than that each community will write and vote on laws for their own areas and post them in center of their commuity so there are no questions. then the people will be responible for enforcing their laws but i think most people will soon realize that police are useless and people are not going to do anything if they have everything they need and anything they could want is available to them manufactured by the people that feel called to build the highest quality longest lasting technologies we possible can. i thought i was living in a civilized world, well thats what i was taught in school anyways but i know now that "civilization" has yet to be attained, for as long as men have greed and war the boundaries of civilization has yet to be breached. we are an infant society in the eyes of the universe. my suggestion to you personally is to shut your mouth, open your ears, your mind and your heart and allow yourself to evolve. EDUCATE YOURSELVES LEARN EVERY THING YOU CAN. TAKE OUT ALL THE LOANS YOU WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL AND DONT PAY THEM. EVERYONE JUST NEEDS TO STOP PAYING SCHOOLS SO THAT WAY REAL SCHOOLS CAN OPEN UP! (one idea: congress will become an alternating body of citizens of the world selected randomly out of pool of peope whom the citizens of those respected territories vote to represent them and the true needs of the well being of those communities, sound familiar? but the catch is the people actually have a say in who the people are, anybody can volunteer to represent their community if they feel just and qualified to acurately represent the the individuals needs in that region, as well as cooperate with the diversity of the modern world, technology makes this process simple since the people can watch and communicate instantly to their reps live streaming on any mobile device.)

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

Bottom line, there has to be incentive to work. If you don't think so, sorry, you're a fool.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

Try again. Incorrect. Define work? we have to work to live already... except right now you work for something that has no value. what im talking about replaces the value of money with the value of the individual which is exponentially more valuable. what motivates you beyond obviously money? what is your solution? where are your answers? i hear lots of talking and no production out of you? where is your alternate idea that can compare to a successful restructuring of the modern society?

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

"available to them manufactured by the people that feel called to build the highest quality longest lasting technologies we possible can"

Steve Jobs, RIP, is the only one that I ever would believe would do that. Others want to get paid.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

"and post them in center of their community so there are no questions"

Dude, how many people are in your city?

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

its called a metaphor but i would encourage every community to have the laws posted. And if you live in large urban developments then you just have to make sure that everyone can access as public knowledge.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

Ok, it's too funny not to read all the way through.

"im sure we will find some similarities and come to a common ground for the general laws of humanity."

What is your view on abortion. gun control, religion, etc. etc. etc.

C'mon, I want to see this common ground that you foresee.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

those are superficial issues created by the establishment. wake up buddy. these arent things that will be an issue. some communities will support it some wont, some will offer it, some wont, same as it is now. who's gun control? try to be a little more specific. millions of people own firearms they arent out mass murdering people. the corporatocracy is though. so the people must destroy and de-construct weapons of warfare. guns are guns man people have them, make sure to keep them out of reach of kids and dont forget to take the safety off before you fire. what kind of response do you want. i dont see a problem with people owning firearms but if you do then im sure there will be entire countries that will outlaw firearms and you can move there. And religion is a non-issue as well, pray to whatever or whomever you want this is beyond these petty social issues perpetuated by the current failing system. and common ground is common.... do not kill, dont steal, etc. etc. etc. these are common laws. other than that its up to the individual and the communities to establish and/or enforce laws that they decide for that respected group of people. im sure most of those local laws will be similar to the common laws plus whatever needs the community has to address respectively

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

OK, I'll give you this. If all of humanity was as benevolent as you, then it would work. But they're not, and it won't. You want to abolish the police as there would be no need, correct? Laws on the books aren't really helping out now as criminals break them. And this is them breaking laws WITH a threat of punishment. Take that away and your utopia is gone.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

It is not about Utopia. I never said anything abolishing police, we need to give them a better set of laws to protect. i said ultimately they will be obsolete, because the strength of the community will overpower the will of the individual to do harm to his fellow man. I never said anything about laws on the books. laws are only as good as the people that uphold them. Did you step back and ask why these people are criminals in the first place breaking the laws of a corrupt establishment is human nature. I have a been encarcerated, i have seen the ugly side of humanity only because its so prevalent. Think about it... seriously, other than murderers and rapists, molesters,(who would be locked up in any type of society if not by the police by the people.) Most crimes that are committed are products of poverty and isolation. 95% of prisoners if given the same amenities and given a better life and something real to focus instead of perpetual need to survive, would thrive in this type of society. of course, there are still sick people out there but they are the extreme minority. you should think before you type you could figure this out youself. but happy to help you figure this out.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

First, before I read your whole post, my apologies. There was another similar proposal that did require banning of police. Not yours obviously. My fault.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

Actually, it was you. Not abolish I guess, but you stated they would soon be deemed useless.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

useless, obsolete same thing. i dont use the word abolish.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

So a police force would be obsolete/useless?

Again, good luck with that. Society isn't just have/have nots. It's "I want that"

And don't say that everything they want will be provided for them, because Citizen A thinks Citizen B has a shinier 'insert whatever here' and wants it for themselves.

If you think that won't happen, you don't know humanity.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

you my friend are the one who doenst know humanity. it very apparent that you feel that way but you speek for yourself, i speak for the people the world. what you are describing is a natural reation that people have when you give something value. im talking about a world without a "value" system. nothing has any real value anyways so lets keep it simple for you. no value=no shiny=massive reduction in the greed instilled in people by the monetary system. you would love to live in this world but you cant see it or understand it so you fear it, people always fear what they dont understand. i have no fear, my eyes are opened. we are enlightend. you have two options:

contribute or dont.

but think about this while you are saying "dont" think about trying to explain to you children (if you have none pretend you are everybody else who does) how you had a chance to change the world and make it better for them but you were to selfish to think about the type of world this will become in the next 50yrs and didnt care enough about anybody to contribute to that cause.

say you do contribute and become aware and awaken to reality, i promise you have never imagined a happier more fulfillling life for yourself and you dont have tell the kids you choked on their future!!

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

You're living in a fantasy world. Seriously. Get some help. Are you employed now?

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

hey, look at you, your right about somehting for once, yes i am living in a fantasy world because as long as brainwashed people like you propogate such anti humanistic sentiment then it is but a fantasy. but think about this, the world you live in right now was once the fantasy of someone. its called evolution. we must evolve and progress into a new era of human existence. yes i am employed. i help paint houses for pennies. i make less than 500 bucks a month but i enjoy my work and happy to have the opportunity even if it is under the table.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

What's anti-humanistic about pointing out facts?

"we must evolve and progress into a new era of human existence"

How? 99 percent would not be willing to change. And they will fight the change.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

you have not provided one single fact. fact: turn on your tv! do you ever watch the news? then tell me that 99% of people are not willing to change. you will find the evidence overwhelmingly in favor of it.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

"congress will become an alternating body of citizens of the world selected randomly out of pool of peope whom the citizens of those respected territories vote to represent them and the true needs of the well being of those communities"

Bwaaaahaaaahaaaaaa. Good luck OWS. You need to quiet these types down or you're going to be laughed out of NY.

[-] 1 points by thoreau42 (595) 13 years ago

I like the idea of picking representatives at complete random, rather than any sort of elections, and only for a fixed amount of time. It fixes so many problems at once

1) no need for term limits, no career politicians

2) all laws would have to be understood to some degree by the layman, since you'd have a smattering of laymen making them

3) impossibly hard for bigger groups to rig control of the government, like we see corporatism now, since the actual decisionmakers would be rotating in and out quickly, and at random.

4) Nothing overly complicated would get done, freeing up citizens to go about living, rather than being concerned with the government doing overmuch.

5) THE ELIMINATION OF CAREER POLITICIANS!

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

love it. you got it. very good points.

That is the ultimate goal right? to solve as many problems with as few moves as possible. effeciency, gotta love it. basic chess principles. lol one... two.... checkmate. It has to be a quick transition. we just have to educate more people about the ultimate purpose of the movement by using the groupthink priciples. I believe we shouldnt be protesting. they have proven that they could care less about what is good for us plus all protesting does is let them know we are coming. We have to globally organize asap in order to be able to establish connections with other nations (the digital railroad) and make sure they know that the American people arent the bad guys, we all know who the bad guys really are, they just happen to products of an unregulated free enterprise world and most of them are American.

We have to organize our own system that funtions to benefit humanity. i doubt anybody in the current system would be willing to give the power to the people. protesting wont do any good. WE MUST ACT.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

thats one of many ideas my socially inept antagonist. many people im sure have other ideas as to how exactly a true democracy would operate semantically. these are the necessary things that need to happen in order to achieve the goals of the movement. no other solution you could present would be comperable.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

I'm not reading that whole screed. Just got a couple sentences into it "but just so you understand you wont have to lift anything. when you live in an advanced society then technology will be designed by to avoid or to manage your current job" Again, do you think machinery gets made magically. Who is going to manhandle the steel/aluminum ingots while I'm tending a herb garden?

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

once again for the 12th time. the individual creates and manufactures. i for one would probably help in the garden and help to manufacture higher technologies. why not. ill work for the good of humanity as opposed to worthless paper. ill work with the incentive to learn and grow and help my neighbor, friends and family build better homes etc. and i know im not alone. you just cant see past what you have been presented with in your life and thats ok there is nothing wrong with ignorance as long as you acknowlege it and try to correct it. that is the purpose of our existence as human beings. you have only known money to be incentive, you know nothing else. would you help a friend in need if you werent getting paid? would you give water to the thirsty without taxing them? would you willing give the shirt of your back to a perfect stranger for no reason other than they need it more than you? if you answered no to any of these then we have no common ground to discuss anything. well we arent really having a discussion, im presenting ideas and solutions for change and you are confused and laughing, not recipricating or communicating any of your own thoughts but rather trying to pick my thoughts and ideas apart. I have news for you, i am awake. i am enlightened and you are asleep, curled up and scared. have no fear. fear is counterproductive

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

And we can have skittle shit*ing unicorns too!

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

14million are unemployed in the U.S. alone. machines have been taking jobs for centuries. why not get the unemployed to build renewable energy stations? there already not producing? how about the the rest of the world.. third world countries working for corporations for pennies a day... they can stop and start building their own comunities with their ablility to create and manufacture they would make great teachers or trainers for a world wide production production of the highest quality products only. nothing created or developed will be sub-standard. which will eliminate all useless products and foods and reduce them to a variety of the best we can create using better more abundant resources. all the food will be under strict guidlines to produce only the best highest quality foods for everyone. do you really think that when money is gone that people will just sit at home til they die? most people have to be active, its part of our constructive nature. the ancient egyptians didnt have money and they built the pyramids, their technology was ridiculously more advanced than our current ability to create. why is that? why do you think Thomas Jefferson among many founding fathers opposed the federal reserve and the monetary system? are they idiots too? would they be laughed out of NY? cause that is where this idea came from, history.

[-] 1 points by PeaceProsperity (4) from Las Vegas, NV 13 years ago

Thank you for addressing the ultimate answer: a Free Society with laws established by us- We The People

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

Thank you for being you. i have been preparing for this revolution. it is necessary for the survival of mankind. i dont not think for myself i think for the people who chose not to, i think for the oppressed, i think for humanity, i think for the people because that is the only truth we have is eachother. i think for we not me.

[-] 1 points by PeaceProsperity (4) from Las Vegas, NV 13 years ago

Yes, for humanity.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

nobody gets paid anything. you contribute your time in helping your community and in return everyone will get anything they need. those who refuse to contribute something as simple as time will eventually become part of small outcast societies. once money is gone then the only things that will be practical to manufacture are things that are renewable and last a long time. therefore our quality of life will improve way beyond even the wealthiest person in a monetary society and technology will advance exponetially faster than with money. it will cleanse the world of any business that doenst truly benefit the progress of humanity.

[-] 1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

Ok, I'll contribute my time by sitting on this chair so it doesn't float away. You go do the dangerous work. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by beyondmoney22 (233) 13 years ago

ok you take a million dollars to a dessert island and ill take the chicken. lol. you clearly dont get the concept, or your just trying be funny or both not sure. im open to any question. i have lots of answers.