Forum Post: The hypocrisy is astounding!
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 1, 2011, 7:48 p.m. EST by muhallah
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How this "organization" is getting ANY recognition is beyond me. It appears that most (perhaps not everybody) of you "protesters" is a hypocrite. Beyond that, you can't blame other people for your own idiotic choices. Of course no one is going to give you a job if you smell like garbage, have some type of an entitlement complex, have a Bachelor's in Diverse Basket Weaving, and desiring a job that will pay you $75-100k per. To me, that just seems stupid. I make my choices, I live with them (the good and the bad). Take your weight "protesters." Just because you use the results of capitalism to rail against the system doesn't give your argument (assuming there is one) any validity. Pull yourselves up by your big-boy (and big-girl, for those of you who want to make sure everyone is included) pants and join the world of grown ups. Did your parents cry like pussies when life handed them a problem? Did your grandparents? You're free to say what you want and petition your government, if that's what you're doing. But do so as adults and grow the hell up.
Sorry you feel that way but I know where they are hearing about protesters smelling like garbage also where they are hearing americans don't want to work but want to get a pittance of what they would normally make by being unemployed...pea brains!
Grow up. The reality is that we have been encountering economic instability for quite some time AND we the people have been paying for the mistakes of the banking and financial sector. Repeatedly.
At one time people went to work and retired with pensions. But you could not stand the fact that you couldn't get your hands on that cash. Drove you nuts. So, out came the IRA's with little lessons on how this was what was needed and safe. People had a "financial adviser" that handled the money because most people were and are trained to be experts in a field--not stockbrokers.
You stole the money. People have been forced into early retirement and caught between being older workers and too young to collect social security to survive. People have lost everything. We have people that HAVE to live in tent cities. In the past 10 years we have seen entire families on the street. Many of these people worked hard and did what they were supposed to (went to school, got a degree).
You have spent 40 years union busting. We have people that are working 2 or 3 jobs. No one will hire them full time so that they can get around all kinds of things like insurance. Now seeing how well that worked out at the bottom, you want to make it like that for everybody.
To top this off, once again, we the people have to pay with our tax money AND then we the people are faced with austerity measures as if we the people are guilty. We just do without some more because of what is really THEFT. Not to mention that you engage in trying to create the same instability that was created in other countries.
The people that are working now are on shaky ground and you have left the up and coming kids nothing. I'm sure you must be proud. I hope your 100 dollar or 1 dollar per word count was worth it.
Yeah, thanks for your advice. I'm sure that a great number of college kids will find that information useful. For those of us that are older, you better come up with something better.
You just don't get it.
They do know why their there it's because of stupid a** Fox News LIES Nutjobs like you who belie screw us over ve that it's ok to send all our jobs overseas...ok to not feed the poor...Ok to give 4 Billion to Big Oil even as they Screw us over at the pump every time we fill up...Ok that millions of americans pensions have been raided or lost by Wall Street Gambling and their still doing it 700million lost with John Corzine as his company filed for bankrupcy today...Ok to give away money to these corporations to ship our jobs overseas...OK to evade taxes by keeping your money in tax havens overseas I could go on and on If cutting taxes helped create jobs we would have full employment right now! So what these people from Occupy Wall Street are doing is fighting to take our country back!
I'm sorry. It's drivel like this that impeaches our credibility as a movement. All you are doing is spouting talking points and nothing more. If you wish to remain active, please come up with some better data. All you are doing is playing into the stereotype these people have about us.
I don't think you get the point Mullahaha. Are you defending the organized corruption that gave us the biggest recession since the Great Depression? Because nothing has changed. The banks are still getting free money everyday. $300 Billion last year by way of 0% loans that they loan right back to the govt.
First of all, I'm curious as to how you came to the phrase "Diverse Basket Weaving"...most interesting, indeed. Psychologically that's just what you're trying to do, isn't it?
You are refusing to acknowledge the fact that these kids are genuinely angry and disillusioned by the attitudes and actions of people like you, and instead try to weave threads of veiled insults.
I truly fucktate people like you. YOU are the cause of all this. And you dare to criticize those attempting to call attention to your injustices.
You really do not understand what this movement is about... and you are full of anger. Have you thought about anger management classes?
Talk about what others have worked so hard for...they didn't work so hard all their workers worked harder than they did I'm sure so why shouldn't they make a good chunk too! What's wrong with with that? Our parents didn't have to deal with stagnent wages for a decade...they worked hard and were rewarded not outsourced. Don't ever mention the little guy after all their not as important right?
And yet since most of OWS do in fact have jobs, your speculation that "no one is going to give you a job" is inaccurate.
If, translated into English, you mean did they go on political demonstrations, then yes, some of 'em did. From Hunger Marches to the Civil Rights movement, our fathers and forefathers demonstrated against things they thought were bad.
And on this occasion you have chosen to whine and snivel about people of whom you evidently know nothing. That was bad.
Talk about being a hypocrisy: Government handouts huh now they want to cut 12 billion from the SNAP or Food Stamp program that now 48 Million Americans depend on to eat and most of those 48 million are Children. The little that they do get $1.50 per meal who can really eat on that? But the Republicans think nothing of keeping the 4 billion dollar a year giveaway to Big Oil even as they are once again reaping massive profits. Pro-Life huh seems that once a baby is born they stop caring about them so there's no way your Pro-Life your all Pro Full Of Sh**!
Hey muhallah. Tell this to the US soliders who were foreclosed on while they were defending your right to call them pussies.
Um. Er. Ugh. But. I never.
SHUT UP AND COMPOSE YOURSELF.
Are those US soldiers who were foreclosed on while defending your right to insult them pussies or not?
Um. Er. Ugh. I. But. I never.
That's what I thought bitch. Next time, think first. Type second.
I'm a veteran. For you to try and hide behind our military is distasteful and a disgrace. Soldier or not, if someone over-extends themselves on a home and can't make the payments, it is not any one else's fault. I hope you are embarassed by your veiled attempts at trying to cloud the issue with your garbage. Your turn bitch.
First of all, I want to see a post made by you prior to this in which you identify yourself as a veteran. I won't fall for any cheap tricks. Show me that post now.
Then read this: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jpmorgan-testifes-congress-apologizes-foreclosures-hiking-interest-rates-soldiers/t/story?id=12873749
It's an article making reference to illegal bank foreclosures on deployed soldiers. The bank finally admitted wrong doing. If you're a veteran as you claim, then you must already be aware.
But then again, you're not really a veteran are you? Your post was just a cheap psychological trick wasn't it?
Show me that prior post in which you identify yourself as a veteran.
No? That's what I thought. Veteran my ass.
Next.
a guy in my thread said he'd take the forklift driver job I was needing to fill for $75/hr lol
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End Corporate Personhood (Amend constitution)
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Well said by a 90%er.
Look, I question the tactics of OWS, but you are missing a large chunk of what they want.
MIAMI (CBSMiami.com) – Florida is touting the new jobs it created Friday after a positive unemployment report. But based on numbers from all W-2’s filed in the country, the wages simply aren’t keeping up.
According to the Social Security Administration, 50 percent of U.S. workers made less than $26,364 in 2010. In addition, those making less than $200,000, or 99 percent of Americans (actually, more like 98%), saw their earnings fall by $4.5 billion collectively.
The sobering numbers were a far cry from what was going on for the richest one percent of Americans.
The incomes of the top one percent of the wage scale in the U.S. rose in 2010; and their collective wage earnings jumped by $120 billion.
In addition, those earning at least $1 million a year in wages, which is roughly 93,000 Americans, reported payroll income jumped 22 percent from 2009.
Overall, the economy has shed 5.2 million jobs since the start of the Great Recession in 2007. It’s the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression in the 1930’s.
Another word about the first Great Depression. It really was a perfect storm. Caused almost entirely by greed. First, there was unprecedented economic growth. There was a massive building spree. There was a growing sense of optimism and materialism. There was a growing obsession for celebrities. The American people became spoiled, foolish, naive, brainwashed, and love-sick. They were bombarded with ads for one product or service after another. Encouraged to spend all of their money as if it were going out of style. Obscene profits were hoarded at the top. All of this represented a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Executives, entrepreneurs, developers, celebrities, and share holders. By 1929, America's wealthiest 1 percent had accumulated around 40% of all United States wealth. The upper class held around 30%. The middle and lower classes were left to share the rest. When the majority finally ran low on money to spend, profits declined and the stock market crashed. Of course, the rich threw a fit and started cutting jobs. They would stop at nothing to maintain their disgusting profit margins and ill-gotten obscene levels of wealth as long as possible. The small business owners did what they felt necessary to survive. They cut more jobs. The losses were felt primarily by the little guy. This created a domino effect. The middle class shrunk drastically and the lower class expanded. With less wealth in reserve and active circulation, banks failed by the hundreds. More jobs were cut. Unemployment reached 25% in 1933. The worst year of the Great Depression. Those who were employed had to settle for much lower wages. Millions went cold and hungry. The recovery involved a massive infusion of new currency, a World War, and higher taxes on the rich. With so many men in the service, so many women on the production line, and those higher taxes to help pay for it, the lions share of United States wealth was gradually transfered back to the middle class. This redistribution of wealth continued until the mid seventies. This was the recovery. A massive redistribution of wealth.
Then it began to concentrate all over again. Here we are 35 years later. The richest one percent now own 40 percent of all US wealth. This is true even after taxes, welfare, financial aid, and charity. It is the underlying cause. No redistribution. No recovery.
The government won't step in and do what's necessary. Not this time. It's up to us. Support small business more and big business less. Support the little guy more and the big guy less. It's tricky but not impossible.
No redistribution. No recovery.
We have been mislead by Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and nearly every other public figure. Economic growth, job creation, and actual prosperity are not necessarily a package deal. In fact, the first two are horribly misunderstood. Economic growth/loss (GDP) is little more than a measure of wealth changing hands. A transfer of currency from one party to another. The rate at which it is traded. This was up until mid ’07′ however, has never been a measure of actual prosperity. Neither has job creation. The phrase itself has been thrown around so often, and in such a generic politicali manner, that it has come to mean nothing. Of course, we need to have certain things done for the benefit of society as a whole. We need farmers, builders, manufacturers, transporters, teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, mechanics, sanitationi workers, doctors, managers, and visionaries. Their work is vital. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that we need politicians, attorneys, bankers, investors, and entertainers. In order to keep them productive, we must provide reasonable incentives. We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid. In order to achieve and sustain this, we must also address the cost of living and the distribution of wealth. Here, we have failed miserably. The majority have already lost their home equity, their financial security, and their relative buying power. The middle class have actually lost much of their ability to make ends meet, re-pay loans, pay taxes, and support their own economy. The lower class have gone nearly bankrupt. In all, its a multi-trillion dollar loss taken over about 30 years. Millions are under the impression that we need to create more jobs simply to provide more opportunity. as if that would solve the problem. It won’t. Not by a longshot. Jobs don’t necessarily create wealth. In fact, they almost never do. For the mostpart, they only transfer wealth from one party to another. A gain here. A loss there. Appreciation in one community. Depreciation in another. In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one. Either way you must have a reliable and ethical system in place to distribute that newly created wealth in order to benefit society as a whole and prevent a lagging downside. The ‘free market’ just doesn’t cut it. Its a farce. Many of the jobs created are nothing but filler. The promises empty. Sure, unemployment reached an all-time low under Bush. GDP reached an all-time high. But those are both shallow and misleading indicators. In order to gauge actual prosperity, you must consider the economy in human terms. As of ’08′ the average American was working more hours than the previous generation with far less equity to show for it. Consumer debt, forclosure, and bankruptcy were also at all-time highs. As of ’08′, every major American city was riddled with depressed communities, neglected neighborhoods, failing infrastructures, lost revenue, and gang activity. All of this has coincided with massive economic growth and job creation. Meanwhile, the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer even after taxes. Our nation’s wealth has been concentrated. Again, this represents a multi-trillion dollar loss taken by the majority. Its an absolute deal breaker. Bottom line: With or without economic growth or job creation, you must have a system in place to prevent too much wealth from being concentrated at the top. Unfortunately, we don’t. Our economy has become nothing but a giant game of Monopoly. The richest one percent already own 40% of all United States wealth. More than double their share before Reagan took office. Still, they want more. They absolutely will not stop. Now, our society as a whole is in serious jeapordy. Greed kills.
God damn it. You die hard winner take all bloodthirsty capitalists and filthy rich pigs absolutely refuse to understand the following: First, that record high charges in health care, energy, and finance also mean record high profits and record high dividends. 40% of which are paid to the richest one percent. This causes more hardship and more concentration of wealth. At the same time, more financial aid in the form of welfare, Medicare, and Medicaid becomes necessary. Especially with those record high charges and profits. As even more wealth is concentrated, the lower majority go into debt and lose their relative buying power. This results in less demand, layoffs, and higher unemployment. This results in even more legitimate need for financial aid, a slower economy, less revenue, and higher national debt. It's a downward cycle tied directly to the relentless concentration of wealth.
I'm not making excuses for those who sit on the couch, make no attempt to find work, and sponge off the government. I'm not calling for a welfare state. But God damn it. You die hard conservatives and filthy rich pigs need to stop being such cowards, open your god damn eyes, and finally admit that there is a downside as more and more wealth becomes concentrated.
The richest one percent now own 40 percent of all United States wealth. This is true even after you account for all taxes, charity, and financial aid. This equation becomes more obscene when you account for nearly two trillion in consumer debt which is owed primarily by the lower 90 percent. Mark my words: this equation will get worse.
THERE IS A DOWNSIDE AS YOU GET RICHER AND RICHER!
A word for my critics: I'm no expert but I'm no fool. I predicted this socio-economic crisis in writing 6 years ago. I'm aware of all the conservative and liberal talking points. Of course, I hate politicians. But I don't hate liberals or conservatives. I agree with both on some issues. For example: I agree that we need an adequate safety net for those in need. Not for those who sit on the couch and watch TV.I agree with tax cuts for small business. But not for Wall Street and not for those making $500,000 and up. A heavy concentration of wealth is what got us here. A gradual and partial redistribution of wealth is vital.
I don't want socialism, communism, or marxism. I want modest capitalism. A reasonable scale of income opportunity for all those willing and able to work. An adequate safety net for those in need.
A word for the rich: I have received quite a bit of negative feedback from you one percent club pigs. I must be doing something right. After all, you took time away from your money bath just for me. You might want to check your ass crack for soggy bills. In the meantime, let me just say this for the record:
You can't intimidate me. You can't embarrass me. You can't make me feel uneducated, unintelligent, or otherwise insignificant. You can't confuse me. You can't divert my attention. You can't exhaust me and you sure as hell can't break my will. I know I'm getting to you because you're here with another lame psychological trick. You're here in an attempt to shut me up. It won't work. I've had it with all of you.
I won't break any laws. I would never discredit the cause with a criminal act. But I'm telling you right now that I'm virtually impossible to stop. It's a big world and I have a lot to say. If you want to break my will, you're going to have to break my neck first.
If you pull a stunt like that, a lot of people will know what happened to me and why.
Now get out of my face. I have work to do.
I agree with Muhallah. Stop taking needed supplies from the REAL homeless. Stop crying about what others have worked so hard for and do something for yourselves. You scream about WS and all the money...guess where obama get's all the entitlement money you're begging for? Yeah, the more you make, the more you pay. 99% of you have no idea why you're even there. Disgusting.
Nothing to say about corporate entitlements?
The most profitable industries in the world (energy, healthcare, finance) have been given billions in government handouts and tax breaks. Meanwhile, they keep raising charges causing hardship for millions. With all those massive handouts, tax breaks, and obscene charges, profits rise to record high levels. Millions in bonuses are paid to the executives. With record high profits, record high dividends are paid. 40% of all dividends in the United States are paid to the richest one percent. All of this causes a gradual concentration of wealth and income. This results in a net loss for the lower majority who find it more and more difficult to cover the record high cost of living, which again, is directly proportional to record high profits for the rich. As more and more people struggle to make ends meet, more and more financial aid becomes necessary. Most of which goes right back to the health care industry through Medicare, Medicaid, and a very expensive prescription drug plan. This increases government spending. This has been happening for 30 years now. During the same time, tax rates have been lowered drastically for the richest one percent. Especially those who profit from investments. These people pay only 15 percent on capital gains income. As even more wealth concentrates, the lower majority find it more difficult to sustain there share of the consumer driven economy. Demand drops as more and more people go broke. Layoffs results. Unemployment rises. This results in less revenue and more government debt.
Massive subsidies and tax breaks for Wall Street, massive tax breaks for the super rich, heavy concentration of wealth, record high charges along with record high profits and record high cost of living, more hardship for the lower majority, more government spending in the form of financial aid to compensate, more concentration of wealth, less demand, layoffs and unemployment. All of this results in slower economy and less tax revenue. At the same time more and more financial aid becomes necessary. It's a horrible downward cycle which gradually pushes the national debt higher and higher. The other big factors are the wars in the Middle East.
This post is not intended to excuse those who sit on the couch collecting welfare, make no attempt to find work, or squease out kids they can't provide for.