Forum Post: The Human Corporation
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 4:08 p.m. EST by hotdoghenry
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I am a Corporation!
What should I do?
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Great question!
Here goes - Maximize profits within responsible and ethical behavior! Consult your moral compass! Strive for prosperity. Abstain from greed.
You cannot just expect everyone to do that. A foolproof system should be in place that is difficult to abuse. Humans are naturally good but not all of them are, your suggestion will work only for those who are good.
That's dumb. If it's foolproof, you can't abuse it.
Exactly! If we cannot come with foolproof then at least something close to it that is easy to patch up with laws and regulations.
Agree. Thats why the government puts rules and regulations in place. So I guess I should add that to the list - Follow the rules. If there is no specific rule, because we can't imagine every possible circumstance that arises - use your moral compass!
The problem occurs when government succumbs to the power and influence of these corporate crooks and as we all know the government has the habit of breaking its own laws. No one should be above the law even the government. Laws are not solely for the people to follow, they are suppose to be for the protection of the people. So you see we cannot even ensure that the government can be trusted at all times, one way or another politicians can be manipulated or worse corporate crooks can infiltrate the government sectors to promote and defend their own interests.
That is why it is always better to have a new foolproof system that cannot be easily manipulated by both private entities and the government or anyone for that matter.
I don't think it is possible to have a foolproof system. But, what would you suggest?
Impossible is only possible within the limits of the mind. Napoleon Hill once wrote, "What the mind can conceive and believe can be achieved."
I know it is possible. I am actually working on a draft that will address the inherent flaws of Communism, Capitalism and Socialism and take the best from them into one. Communism had been the rise of the working class, Capitalism the rise of the elite. Now it's time for the rise of the middle class. The middle class is the economic hope of our society.
I will publish it online for free within one year.
Good luck with that.
Thanks.
Make Corporations Responsible for Communities at large... they need to be responsible actors in this game - they need to be forced to change ... Read Neale Walsh ... says it perfectly ... any corporation - all employee salaries are visible - each knows what each is making... cap the salary level where above this any profits get cut - percentage to the work force... percentages to management - they get paid more for a reason and are not hourly for a reason- they are paid high enough already to make the hard decisions... workers making the product, workers keeping the quality high and making management happy deserve the biggest bang... now once you have that you take another percentage and GIVE to programs - GIVE to charity ... you make your American Corporations RESPONSIBLE - put this into legislation - ADD THIS TO OUR LISTS OF DEMANDS: CHANGE EXISTING Legislation - we need to see Banking Regs change - we need to change the SEC rules and regs... we need to change the way corporations are allowed to do business. THEY MUST be made into responsible bodies that support their communities... Make Corps Responsible to the Communities at large...
ha ha ha i love you all so much. disengage from the system. dont pay fines. dont pay unconstitutional taxes. dont pay the basket ballers an footballers. dont go to the games an movies. dont pay the system. have food shelter water clothing and arts and sociability. locally, sustainably, intelligently. we are 100% love. much love and peace from the beautiful isle of man x x x
Ungrip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tScuHwVtRcY
Perhaps you should adopt a more humane philosophy towards mankind rather than viciously for profit. Maybe you should exist in a mix economy working in conjunction with other governments rather than through lobbyists and corruption. Yes, you want to be regulated, because regulation is order.
Pay your goddamn taxes! And give us our jobs back!
mmm lets see, I pay taxes, I pay my employees, I provide them with medical, They pay their own dental, I donate to charitable causes every, month, actually 5% of my gross, I match up to 3% if the employees contribute to their 401k, and I have a profit sharing program that starts on your third year anniversary.
Is that ok? Or am I still a greedy bastard?
Unless you left something out I will have to assume that OWS does not mean -you-.
For example - do you buy out our politicians and turn them against us? How much do you pay your employees? Are you in a right to work state? Do you employ mostly American or mostly outsource to save on labor costs?
I have contributed to some political campaigns with my own money, or the company money same thing. But no more than $1,000 at any given time. Usually for conservation issues or to someone that is running against a candidate that has intentions of hurting my business or industry. No more than $5,000 per year.
I pay my employees salaries that is commensurate with their experience and in step with what the market pays in my area.
We are located in NY. We do not outsource anything other than a vendor here or there so employees are Americans. We are diverse and I have two employees that have been with me since we opened 15 years ago.
We are also highly regulated by the FTC and the NYS DOS and Department of Law.
So what is the problem with what I and many others that I know do?
None of our regulatory issues would have anything to do with the EPA. I have only contributed to three candidates in 15 years. One was not even a contribution to campaign funds it was a sponsorship of an environmental awareness program for children. The other two were candidates on both side of an issue for a subsidiary company holding and event on town property. I did not offer to contribute to either one, but it was made clear to me that if I wanted to do business with the town, I would need to support both of them with cash. It wasn't allot of money, $1,000 each and the vent had no negative effect on the public it was in fact a charity event.
Also I should note that my company is a C corp, which is a bit unusual but I have a partner that is Canadian and therefore we can not operate as a Sub s with pass through to the shareholders. So we are in fact "Double Taxed".
We are not in the insurance business which I agree needs complete over haul. It is the only industry in the country that is exempt from anti - trust laws. This is outrageous!
But I do not understand this outright assault on business. Most business's are just like mine. Small business people, entrepreneurs make up the overwhelming majority of business's in this country.
Shouldn't the assault be on the government?
If you used that money to block EPA efforts, lower your taxes, block higher tariffs, etc. then yes there is a problem. Since you still weren't specific I can't say for sure so I gave examples.
The second bit is also tricky. I'd have to ask your employees.
Ah then I wasn't criticizing you on that. You deserve a medal for keeping jobs here lol. Can't say that for the most of your ilk.
Won't comment.
If you really -are- doing things ethically and all there are no problems. If you are one of the blood sucking variant of the multinationals who use loopholes and off shore tax havens to rob this country blind, then this was partly your fault. If you are one of the corporations that try to pass "Drill baby drill" laws and get the government to subsidize you and bail you out at the taxpayer's expense, then you are a problem. If you set countries on a global race to the bottom to cut down on stuff like wages and worker rights and such, you are a problem. If you are a private insurance company that gouges your customers and killed millions with your "pre-existing conditions" rule, then you are a problem.
OWS is mostly protesting that kind of stuff. That is what they mean by "evil corporations". They're not just a bunch of hippies waiting for a handout like you seem to suggest.
Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link above, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. Sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link, so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for by e-mail from the group in the 2nd link, and then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the strategy of the 1st link as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your Occupation & Generation.
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I don't know how the message system here works, so I just wanted to let you know I left you a message.
I saw it, thank you. Nice site; I'll have join it and review it more closely. Nevertheless, I hope you join my 2nd link above so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for by e-mail from that group. Perhaps we could coordinate our two groups?
Sure. I meant email me your email (if you would like, of course) so maybe we could start discussing taking some practical steps.
Sorry, you'll need to join because like to engage in group discussions most of time, but not all the time.
You should partner with other people to do other work towards your common goals and share the profits.
I thought corporations were bad? Aren't profits a bad think? Should I give my profits away? How much should I keep for myself or is that bad too?
oh, you are one of those, hey? "Should I give my profits away?" Your profits, that you alone worked for without any help? Then keep it all, minus taxes. If you had help - share the profits.
mmm lets see, I pay taxes, I pay my employees, I provide them with medical, They pay their own dental, I donate to charitable causes every, month, actually 5% of my gross, I match up to 3% if the employees contribute to their 401k, and I have a profit sharing program that starts on your third year anniversary.
Is that ok? Or am I still a greedy bastard?
I must tell you, first, that my personal position may or may not correspond to the position of OWS, but I appreciate the conversation. Answering your question, I don't know what your industry is, but that sounds like a low level package at programming places I worked for.
My question is could you get anywhere without your employees? Aren't they as vital to your business as yourself? But I bet each of them gets less than you get per employee, or same ate most. What makes you so special that you decide when to share the profit with them? Do they cost you money for three years? Oh, yes, you carry the risk, but so do they. Yes, maybe you give them Two bowls of soup, instead of an industry standard One, but you still talk about them as if they are yours: pets, machines, slaves. In essence it is them who are doing you a favor, and they are only doing it cause they have no better choice. That's not the best of situations I can imagine.
No, I don't think you are a greedy bastard per se. But with your talents you can be so much better, so much more in your depleting lifetime, than just a businessman. And much, much more useful in a much longer run.
Why do I get to decide? Because it is mine. It is my money, my investment. If any of the employees want to go out do their own thing they are free to do so. That's how I started.
Frankly I don't need any of the employees. I could choose to do it all on my own like I did when I first started. But I choose to have a life.
If you are suggesting that my business should be "Shared" or a co-op, I don't buy into that. It is my enterprise, my intellectual property. The employees are not "entitled" to ownership.
I, me, mine. And them, the other. Too bad it's a gap, but never a range.
I think there's a missing part to "free enterprise". It should read "free enterprise of free people". Then it makes sense. Otherwise, it's a free enterprise of one person who liberates himself through enslaving others. Giving them just enough money to afford food and a place to live, so they can actually work, but keeping all the results of their labor.
I left all my jobs, because, though they paid me thousands a month, things I made made them thousands a day. Yes, full medical, paid vacations, etc, etc. And a slave collar.
In reality, you don't pay for their labor at all. They can't work without sleep and food, and you pay for that. You provide the conditions without which they wouldn't physically be able to work - it's your expense account. But their actual work is unpaid. That's the Great Fraud of this system.
Get a Life!