The goal of Occupy should be to end violence against animals
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 6, 2013, 9:01 a.m. EST by jart (1186) from New York, NY
Nine billion animals are killed by the U.S. regime each year for food, and countless more forms of aquatic life whose deaths are too innumerable to count.
Why do we care about everything else when this is going on?
Because human beings are more important - maybe only a little bit more but still nevertheless - ''more'' important than animals !!! There is - NEVER ANY Excuse, for cruelty and inhumane behaviour towards animals !! However, faced with the sad option of pulling a man, woman or a child OR their dog from the path of an oncoming truck .. sorry to hurt your feelings but it's adios pooch, as anything else would be clearly misanthropic and indeed potentially psychopathic, imo !
Do you propose that OWS is less important than PETA ? That'd be preposterous, right ? However that does NOT mean PETA should not exist - but it does mean we need to prioritise and keep different and perhaps parallel struggles in some perspective. Talking of 'perspective' in these strange times we're all living in, I'll append and recommend :
"Al-Qaida in Perspective'', by Patrick J. Buchanan : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35766.htm ;
"The Elephant in the Room - Militarism'', by Jeff Cohen : http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/04/09-1 &
''A Statement of Peace - or an Epitaph ?'', by Robert Scheer : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35770.htm .
As an absurdist afterword, the SCOTUS siding against natural born human beings and usurping their primacy, gave us 'Citizens United' - an 'ALEC & The Koch Heads' wet dream but a 99% nightmare !! & :
This exceptional doc. film will NOT be available for long I fear, so please avail yourself of it asap & pdq ~
respice, adspice, prospice ...
Agreed. We don't have to kill the oligarchs. Not that I haven't entertained the thought...but, a tribunal and prison would suffice.
pretty sure they gotta die.
Come on man. This struggle is not based in vengence, well not that kind, and that is not what will sustain us in what will be a monumental task
~Odin~
what will sustain freedom is the blood of tyrants.
The struggle of good versus evil is a never-ending one
Only when a populace stays involved will freedom be sustained
We only have to look at the time period from The New Deal to now to see that, and that is not to say that was a perfect solution,
Considering the crisis we are in today on so many levels, what they settled for then will not be enough
~Odin~
http://occupywallstreet.net/story/overpass-light-brigade-crashes-scott-walker%E2%80%99s-governors-convention
I already told you, I do not read your links
If you are unable to express yourself, you should take a writing course as I would like to do too! ;-)
It's never too late you know....well for most people anyway
~Odin~
That's called fear.
http://interoccupy.net/blog/mi-cats-reports-activists-block-tar-sands-pipeline-micatsact/
Reading is good for the mind and soul.
the lack is likely why you are so very unkind.
The profanity spewing, denigrating-laced, partisanbaiter calling me "unkind"...hmmm? lol
~Odin~
Lies AND fear!
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/p/modern-monetary-theory-primer.html
Your laughable shooz
That being mostly so because you believe yourself to be clever
~Odin~
"Officials in Texas and five other GOP-led states are refusing to oversee even Obamacare’s most basic — and popular — consumer protections and insurance market reforms. That includes the law’s ban on denying coverage or charging more because of a pre-existing condition and discriminating against women on the basis of gender. The decision could present major hurdles to Americans who buy health insurance through federally-run marketplaces in the Lone Star State, Arizona, Alabama, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Wyoming"
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/08/07/2428801/texas-obamacare-reforms/
We really need single payer healh-care. I do not understand why Obama gave up on that so easily
Perhaps it is the money that pours into his coffers from corrupt special interests
What do you think shooz?
~Odin~
"Last September, a NASA satellite image showed the Arctic sea ice had melted to its greatest extent ever. “Both scientists and indigenous peoples confirm that there is significant change across the region,” explains Finnish Arctic researcher Dr. Tero Mustonen.
“The situation is urgent, imminent and here.”
Dr. Mustonen has worked in the Finnish organization Snowchange Cooperative, which began in 2000 primarily as a network of indigenous and local communities, including from the Nordic Sámi, the Chukchi of Russia and Inuit of the Americas. The group advocates urgent international action on climate change through peer reviewed academic papers with input from the Arctic Council, the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and other key international bodies.
I think the BS against it is a distraction from other issues.
such as the above
The warming of the Artic is a huge problem
While in Alaska for most of June and July, they were having one of the longest pro-longed periods of warm weather that people can ever remember
This however followed a long winter in terms of the first snow-fall to the last, and an extrememely short spring
In any event "Baked Alaska" has taken on a whole new meaning this summer in AK...lol
It will be interesting to see, once the summer is over how it ranks to past years
I may put up a post about it, but if you get to it first, that's OK with me
~Odin~
Strangely, all the trolls agree.
http://www.occupy.com/article/exposed-canadian-oil-and-gas-workers-many-unions-now-oppose-keystone-xl-pipeline
Will you be repeating as to how you're not "anti-union"?
You will not put me on the defensive on anything
And I will not answer your directives which are aimed at that
I stand by all the comments I have made on the forum
Just for the record, you are not near as good a baiter as VQkag2 was
~Odin~
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That's not surprising. I was kinda cute there in the end with him throwing me comments and links suggesting that the repubs are soley to blame
And me turning them around and implying the dems screwed us too!
~Odin~
The right-wing echo machine has been engaged in a targeted attack on science for a long time. From the middle ages, those driven by fear of the future, of liberalism, of progress have fought to suppress anything which changes the status quo. From the Magister of the Holy Palace Bartolomeo Spina who “expressed a desire to stamp out the Copernican doctrine” until today, the right-wing reactionaries have continually fought against anything which could upset their rigid world view. In the modern era, however, these anti-science reactionaries have turned to mass media propaganda in order to continue their war against reality. And a recent study shows that they are succeeding.
Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/07/right-wing-tactic-to-destroy-america-is-working-people-no-longer-listening-to-scientists/#ixzz2bKWfcAhk
I agree that the right-wing agenda is a f..ked up one if that is what you are saying, but the Democrats, many of whom are far more to the right than some Republicans were 40 years ago have aided them
Good try shooz...
~Odin~
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nigel-barber/atheism-to-replace-religion-by-2041-a-clarification_b_3695658.html
Yes, an insulting fear monger.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/08/voting-rights-act-anniversary-discrimination-laws
Not unusual.
You have provided little to defend.
You comments are mostly self serving and insulting to liberals anyway.
Information and fact free, for the most part.
No great loss.
FEAR, is all you spread.
Abject fear of responding to reality.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017137287
Perhaps you are still lost at sea?
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To be fair, it's pretty easy to get lost at sea nowadays. The global warming caused by all those cars Detroit pushed out raised hell with sea levels. Anchors away!
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Shoes, you got on me last week for talking about Obama's failure to take any action vs the wall st bankers..... you kept saying it wasn't the topic of the thread.
what does union/xl have to do with animal rights?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-goal-of-occupy-should-be-to-end-violence-again/#comment-992337
It's not like your comment against me had anything to do with the thread either.
Plus I have been posting info on those WHO ARE being indicted.
Unfortunately, you missed them.
On purpose?
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I didn't miss your dragging this thread off topic and you did not address that. As I told you last week, it's ok when you do it.....
you are kidding right the fdr administration was a last ditch effort by the oligarchs to placate the plebs. they were scared to death (the powers that be) of a socialist or anarchist revolution.
I agree, and because of that threat of socialism or anarhism, Roosevelt got much more than he would have without those radicals
Rose Schneiderman was a socialist. Clara Lemlich was a communist, and so were many other labor leaders
But like I said, considering the crisis we are in today, what Roosevelt got will not be enough if we want to save our planet anyway
Any struggle seeking systemic change needs a radical element in it
The more the corrupt system resists change, the more change people will seek
~Odin~
roosevelt got us nothing compared to what we could have had and should have today. realize he was put in power by the same corrupt party bosses. they ran off the real threat in his administration henry a wallace. everything is not what it seems.
I agree Roosevelt did not get near what the people who would be considered the radicals wanted......and hence they believed that he sold them out
The people who were happy with just reform of the system looked at Roosevelt in an almost saint-like way though after having gone through the Depression
And like I said, Roosevelt got a lot more than he would have... had there been no radicals, because TPTB knew what was waiting in the wings....anarchists, socialists and communinists
I would have to bone-up on Henry Wallace's part in it all. But his Labor Secretary Frances Perkins (called the woman behind the New Deal) had witnessed the horror of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire.....and was NY's lead investigator when they inspected almost 2,000 factories across NY state. In later years, she said, "The New Deal Began March 25, 1911," the day of that fire in lower Manhattan
What we achieve will depend on what we are willing to fight for or settle for, and the more the resistance from the corrupt elite...I would think the more that we will want
~Odin~
Support weird science?
http://www.alternet.org/food/lab-grown-hamburger
Do humans count as animals too?
I thought of you when I was watching Newsroom and first show this season there is this young kid all excited about how somebody had registered "occupywallst.org" domain name in 2011, "leaders" or no leaders, individuals taking action, like an atom splitting in a nuclear core, if the conditions are right, a little thing can cause all hell to break loose.
I like animals.. . .on my dinner plate.
The goal of occupy is fighting the corruption of our govt. If you want to fight for animal rights join PETA.
I thought the goal was to goof on Shooz. Did I misinterpret something?
I have been missing out. XD
NO synesthesia, our goal is not to goof on shooz, but if the opportunity presents itself, well ......
One thing that I have to thank VQkag2 (the master at co-option) for is, I became a much better writer
I am now able to tell a person that he is an ass without actually having to say it, hence I have not been banned in ages....knock on wood....;-)..
~Odin~
How wonderfully unkind of you to say.
http://www.occupy.com/article/revolving-door-koch-and-halliburton-are-lobbying-hard-block-carbon-tax
;-)
~Odin~
:(
Your unkindness remains.
http://www.occupy.com/article/bankrupt-detroit-ominous-sign-whats-come
And so does yours....it's called tit for tat, still though not near as base as your arrogant demeanor on here
And my defiance to your agenda should serve as a reminder that I will not let you co-opt this movement into the Democratic Party
~Odin~
http://occupywallstreet.net/story/detroits-collapse-reveals-awful-dystopia-united-states-becoming
More unkind with every post.
Now including 100% more lies.
I can see from my sudden unpopularity that you have called your army of pseudonyms in
I suspect that is because you are feeling desperate in having this struggle become a partisan Democratic campaign
No lies, it's the truth that is giving you pain
I guess you feel, if you can't co-opt Occupy, you might as well destroy it
~Odin~
More fear?
More lies?
Yes.
http://www.carolinamercury.com/2013/08/thousands-attend-mountain-moral-monday-protests-spread-to-chicago-and-oakland/
You think Shooz is trying to coopt the movement with the Democratic party?
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http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3Ashooz
Very strong trend in posts.
That shooz speaks out in support of the average individual???? The 99% whether or not they identify themselves as such? The very large portion of the population which has been abandoned by our government??? Yes I Agree.
If speaking up for unions, the little guy, women's rights and speaking against ALEC, the Koch's, tyranny, racism and libe(R)tarians, means I'm co-opting something.
Then so be it!!
I guess I am.
A good way to co-opt. But that could not be related to "this" site as that is in keeping with the founding of this site and all of OWS/Occupy. Huh. Strange that you should be accused of co-opting OWS to bring it over to OWS.
Yes but I'm called that by those that provide NO new information.
They refuse to read the info in links ONLY I post, so they say, yet they provide nothing but mouth play.
Even ignoring the information from links I provided from Occupy itself.
So?
who's co-opting who?
Yep good points. One would have to consider those as working for the corp(se)oRATions? As nothing good is presented by them and plenty of good actions are not supported by them or are even put down by em.
You mean like those that see the OWS news about protesting ALEC and then rush to start a BS thread on ALEC?
Only when they have been properly called out for non-support. HUH. Creating their own BS post so that they don't have to comment on the sites post or someone else s - does that mean they are trying to fly a false banner/post?
Just like that.
Although one should also notice the lack of new information in that particular thread.
How's Tor working out for you, Chris?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251318809
Hah. You have more patience then me. The partisan cheerleading drove me off in the first place. I have noticed the partisan edge has been blunted. Things like the NSA spying have actually been helpful in that regard. It's a lot harder to attack someone when you are furious at the same people.
Hurry. Go log in as someone else.
Sorry but I only have this ID. Phil from Nevada hence nvphil
Well, you definitely got the sorry part right.
lol..patience me?, No I think it is more my Scandinavian heard-headedness than patience, and perhaps having confidence in who I am. I do hope I do not come across as pompous though, anyway
"The partisan cheerleading" here drives a lot of people off here, and it keeps a lot of people from coming on here, and that is a shame
What do you think people think when they come here for the first time, and see most of the partisans with the huge point totals, and them babbling about how voting for more Democrats as being the answer to our problems
Anyway keeping non partisan people off here, and making it extremely difficult for the ones who are here is their raison d'etre
And as you probably know, they do that by a series of methods including manipulating the points. I mean...like I have said in the past I've seen point totals for the biggest partisans here somehow go up hundreds of points, maybe more in one night.
They also do their best to pariah-ize anyone who is deemed a threat to their nefarious agenda. Here they go out of their way to label you as a trouble-maker who attacks other posters. But now I suspect, they are trying to put forth the faux notion that I do not make thoughtful contributions to the forum as well
Profanity and intimidation are also key ways that they try and unfortunately succeed in intimidating posters or baiting them. I worked as a merchant marine for a life-time, and I have heard my share of profanity and even used it occasionally, but here it is epidemic and it is used to silence voices of opposition to partisan Democrats, not as adjectives for the f..ked-up situation we are in. I'm fed up with that
New, inquisitive people come here on the forum and get slammed and denigrated by some dude with a huge, huge point total for saying something like, 'the Democrats stink too.' That person will mostly say something like, 'f..k this, I don't need this type of abuse and leave, never to return. And that is exactly what the partisans on here want
The agenda that the partisan Democrats on here spew is TOTALLY ANTITHETICAL!! to the Occupy that I know in New York, believe me!! REALLY! There in NY.... there are good people working and collaboraring with each other. I know because I have been up to NY for Occupy events probably close to 70 times in the last 21-22 months, the first one being in the end of October 2011
And for that reason and for speaking out on the partisan Democrats' BS they purvey on here, I am near the top of the list of people that need to be banned, so they are working hard on that now...errr as we speak...lol
In fairness to 'shooz the partisan' I did see an Obama banner in the #1984Day Surleillance demonstration in NY last week. Let me check my phone for the sake of accuracy...OK...It had an image of Obama, and it said,..... YES WE SCAN...which really cracked me up...lolol....you too?
Anyway I hope I answered your questions....errr..you didn't ask any questions...did you....lol
Well then thanks for giving me another oppotunity...soap box to voice my honest appraisal of the forum, and in particular the partisans who are here trying to co-opt our struggle. I urge you to not leave, or at .east come back and check once in a while, and see how thing are going. This forum still is a wonderful place to learn and as of 2247 hrs - 8/7/13, there are still some good posters left on here who know what our struggle is about. They are in the sights of the partisans though* Thanks again and Solidarity in us all having a better World for ourselves and our loved ones
~Odin~
"Bank of America Corp. and UBS AG have been given priority over other bankruptcy claimants, meaning chiefly the pensioners, for payments due on interest rate swaps they entered into with the city. Interest rate swaps – the exchange of interest rate payments between counterparties – are sold by Wall Street banks as a form of insurance, something municipal governments “should” do to protect their loans from an unanticipated increase in rates. Unlike ordinary insurance, however, swaps are actually just bets; and if the municipality loses the bet, it can owe the house, and owe big. The swap casino is almost entirely unregulated, and it is a rigged game that the house virtually always wins. Interest rate swaps are based on the LIBOR rate, which has now been proven to be manipulated by the rate-setting banks; and they were a major contributor to Detroit’s bankruptcy." - See more at: http://www.occupy.com/article/detroit-bail-template-fleecing-pensioners-save-banks#sthash.SfUF00DH.dpuf
WOW...Thanks ;-) I will have to look into this more
In the meantime shooz, Never forget that throughout the history of the World, systemic change (for the better) always occurs from the bottom up....errr that's like in grass-root movements ;-)
~Odin~
http://www.occupy.com/article/federal-government-sues-bank-america-over-850-million-investor-fraud
Call your off posse, and don't pretend you don't know about it..
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/08/12205/alec-40-turning-back-clock-prosperity-and-progress
Considering the multiple links I've provided from various Occupy sites, that you've ignored because they don't fit YOUR smear agenda, Perhaps you'll comment on this one?
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yes, the aggressive obscene language that does not address issues but directed at persons is a big turn off.
some might benefit from this on equality based, non-heirrarchical issue focused communication. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3zj2gJXdTY
I am happy to see your stubbornness if it means you will keep speaking truth. You and a small handful of people are the only reason this site is worth visiting.
You'd be suprised. Shooz once dismissed an elected D using the N word as a "slip of the tongue" and refused to condemn it as racism. And bensdad is....well, bensdad.
Sometimes partisianship runs down to the bone.
You are speaking as a Teathuglican, of course. Or is that Libertopian? Sometimes.............you guys all look alike.
That's just you seeing double after your 7th Mountain Dew and vodka. ,
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/08/06/republicans-seek-decriminalize-rape-crimes-women.html
Even using such a biased website, could you lob an easiser to hit softball? It's like you're not even trying
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/07/209934641/military-veterans-accuse-san-diego-mayor-of-sexual-harrasment
It's not like they're going to mention it at CATO.
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18129-illinois-black-suburb-can-t-even-afford-a-library-as-america-is-privatized-and-foreclosed
Racism, it's what the GOP/libe(R)Tarians do.
Illinois is such a blue state, an R hasn't won it since 1988.
Isn't racism what elected Democrats in Michigan do?
Nope.
But that was a racist thing to say.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/08/06/2419681/ohio-bus-discrimination/
Hard to believe anything that comes out of that part of the country, but the bus thing could be true. Buncha whackadoos.
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/06/ohio-dems-place-fake-tea-party-flyers-in-mailboxes-urging-voters-to-defeat-the-nger-in-the-white-house/
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/second-michigan-democrat-pleads-no-contest-fake-tea-192241814.html
http://www.thenation.com/article/165576/gops-blatant-racism#axzz2bL1ZCaJ0
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/07/hes-47-percent-negro-anti-obama-arizona-protest-turns-racist/
Terryfying stuff. I can't believe they still say Obama should "go back to wherever the hell he came from.”
Actually, both of those, individually and mixed, are downright disgusting. I'm sure after your several bottles of Mad Dog 20/20 though it might seem rather fancy.
I guess Clegg gave you the night off from bartending over at Shaboom Shaboom's. Talk about fancy. Love what you guys have done with the place.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/05/gop-acorn-defunding_n_3690753.html
Yanno. It's time for you to think about putting down your crack pipe. There's a new level of sloppiness about you that just isn't working.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/08/bayou-corne-sinkhole-disaster-louisiana-texas-brine
I know, I know. It's so partisan of me.
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Meet the Town Being Swallowed by a Sinkhole http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/08/bayou-corne-sinkhole-disaster-louisiana-texas-brine … via @motherjones
Read This & Circulate - consider fracking as well
http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/06/4393586/large-sinkhole-draws-curious-to.html
Occurred "naturally".........maybe.
Gotta figure that such an occurrence can happen naturally. Wonder if they had any unusual but natural (?) earth tremors just prior to the event.
Nobody's saying. they don't mention fraking in the area, nor any effluent storage either.
Personally? I believe those activities can manifest into sinkholes many miles from the activity.
Absolutely - considering the fact that they are busting up what amounts to being bedrock ( foundation ) - making the geology loose - where it used to be firm.
some tremors were experienced nearby
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs41/i/2009/018/9/7/tremors_tribute_by_WakaBee.jpg
Were they drilling for oil to be used to make gas to fill up large American gas guzzlers produced in the factories of Detroit by UAW workers? Shame shame shame.
Nope.
Do you ever actually read anything, or do you just look at the pictures?
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/08/06/2419681/ohio-bus-discrimination/
Iwould think saying it was a slip of the tongue is worse. The slip of the tongue shows what you really feel.
Evidently Ted Nugent deserves a few posts from Mr "I Hate Racism", but an elected Democrat using the N word? Shooz ain't got time for that.
http://gawker.com/5841184/today-in-profoundly-racist-drudge-report-headlines
To be fair, wasn't everybody feeling a little racist back on September 16th of 2011?
Just you.
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I didn't realize that you were such a supporter of Ted Nugent.
Nope, just you apparently.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/06/24/another-racist-leader-revealed-in-south-carolina-gop/
Is,that the one who told Nikki Haley to go back to twhere the hell she came from?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42163_What_GOP_Racism_Illinois_GOP_Chairman_Emails_Ugly_Racist_Attack
you forgot this one:
http://rollingout.com/culture/black-woman-burned-alive-by-kkk-for-wearing-obama-t-shirt/
Everyone in the World notices..........except for you.
http://www.irishcentral.com/story/ent/manhattan_diary/barely-concealed-racism-comes-to-fore-from-gop-opponents-in-immigration-debate-215220371.html
Was he the one who told Nikki Haley to go back to where the hell she came from? C'mon. You're smart. Find out who said that and let me know. Let the entire class know.
http://republicansareracists.com/
Do you understand the term, "pales in comparison"?
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Nope. Unlike Shooz, I hate Michigan racists.
No, lil' Teathuglican thingie.
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Compared to a year ago it is a vast improvement. Anyway we have new way to divide the politicians. Those that supported the amash amendment and the traitors that voted against it.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1730562-jackie-robinson-statue-in-brooklyn-defaced-with-racial-slurs
Jakie Robinson? Now I'm pissed. Anybody who thinks all the racists are down south needs their head examined.
But maybe the story will have an interesting spin, like this one
http://www.fitsnews.com/2013/08/05/sources-mayor-planted-racist-graffiti/
http://www.local15tv.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wpmi_no-apology-figures-gop-racist-tactics-comments-830.shtml
somehow, you have to dig, and I'm up to the moment.
Wanna talk racist voter purges?
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http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/08/06/2420691/hot-spot-siberia/
Sorry, but bullshit is still bullshit, and you're full of it zilla.
You always were.
That's who you have to thank for writing a lengthy response and not saying anything? Something tells me you learned the art of bullshit long before you dealt with that dingaling.
I don't have to resort to the constant use of profanity anyway, so that's a plus, eh?!
~Odin~
Nah. Bullshit is bullshit, hon.
Ok. I have searched my soul. I feel no shame for eating dead cow with cheese last night. I did try.
you have no shame period. democrat hack operative that you are.
You're a multiple ID cockroach. No more and no less.
your a jackboot licker nothing more nothing less.
You is dreamin', little Chris Wanker.
Yesterday, I saw this osprey swoop down, and grab a rabbit. The osprey flew off with the bleeding rabbit obviously to be devoured.
I like the osprey..
One of my daughters in Alaska is a strong animal rights activist
She socializes dogs that have been mistreated, and then finds homes for them
One of the dogs that she got from the animal shelter, who she works closely with, was one of over a 150 mostly sled dogs who weren't being fed or taken care of by their uncaring owner
Hatcher, named after a beautiful pass in the mountains, is an Alaskan husky mix who weighed 32 lbs when he first came into the shelter, before she took him in
For months, he would cower in the corner of her bedroom for the longest time, not trusting anyone
Now in his new loving home that she found for him, he runs out to greet his new family and friends when they arrive home, and he weighs approxmately 85 lbs
Here in this clip, you will see a young lady being interviewed at the court house where the abuser was to go on trial. Then again you will see her in the hall-way with a group of activists that she helped organize, confronting the man as he walks by
That beautiful, courageous, young lady is my daughter, and as you can imagine, I am very proud of her for standing up for her beliefs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf8MYB0TQM4
~Odin~
I's going to have to change soon. There is a limit to the number of people that can be supported by a western diet and population will likely reach it within a few decades.
Are we ignoring the uncomfortable topic of somehow controlling human population growth?
Human population can grow WITHOUT conflicting with ending violence against animals. We DO need to keep human population growth within our ability to provide a decent standard of living for the existing population.
Taking an analogy from the technological realm, thinking human beings as computer chips made of transistors can help open our minds' eyes to the possibility of miniaturized human beings who sip rather than gulp resources. Generally speaking, sustainable population growth without great gyrations is a positive thing because on the average, people are positive and not neutral overall.
Growth in population will soon have to depend on a non-meat diet, I don't think there is going to be much choice there. People will resist it but I don't believe we have the resources to feed 10 or 12 billion people a western diet, we may not be able to do it for the 7 billion we have now if they all demanded it. A vegetarian diet may be forced on to us.
That may not end violence against animals however. No matter how we "sip" at resources if our growth is unchecked, eventually we'll reach a point where animals are competing with us for food and land and that brings back the violence against them. Not to use them as food, but to prevent them from eating our food.
The solution is a change in the organization of human society. In short, micropolitan agrarian cities composed of family owned self-sustaining city blocks. The issue of population growth then becomes an issue for the individual families and not for the population at large.
Exponential growth will outdo any resource so any population will taper off to the level that its environment will bear. There are still a fair amount of potential expansion of the human population if we truly think creatively. We are in our essence creatures of information so we can conceivably merge with our computing-machines brethren and move onto Moore's "Law" growth path.
One huge resource that is sitting deep under our feet is the molten iron and nickel. They can interact with water and carbon dioxide to produce methane (natural gas), perhaps with the help of archaea bacteria. Alternatively, subduction of magnesium containing minerals may well have created the methane ice deposits at the bottom of oceans. Perhaps the natural-gas fracking boom was just releasing this type of methane.
doubt that seriously. what it requires is integrated food production systems where the overall yield is greatly increased by the symbiotic relationship between organisms.
That sounds like something that could lead to companies like Monsanto controlling all of our food.
actually it is the exact opposite. the use of heirloom crops and heritage breed livestock is essential to creating diverse and productive integration in a diversity of climates and conditions. this is about the re-localization, regionalization, and diversification of our food supply.
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Seems like the end of the world is nearly upon us, doesn't it?
It's a critical issue, but not the root cause of itself. It's a symptom (among many), and we need to kill the root.
i understand what you are saying but this is just a tie in to our corporate masters food distribution system which treats livestock like a commodity rather than actual living beings worthy of respect. actually more respect because they sustain us and yet we have all seen the documentary food inc. it is really more a statement on how we view life, including human as a commodity with a price. this all being said i don't think there is anything wrong with the production of animal protein in a sustainable and ethical manner. btw saw that picture of you standing there with your give class warfare a chance poster(that is you). never seen a hotter girl. not trying to objectify you or anything but my heart skipped a beat.
That was well-said, and i agree with you.
I have cut down on my consumption of meat quite a long time ago, and having two (of my 3) daughters who are vegetarians (not vegan), they have taught me how to cook so that meatless meals can be very satisfying
I do not eat veal though because of the fact that the calf is treated horribly, anemic.... so that the meat is white
One of the real problems in our beef supply is that the cattle are fed a huge amount of corn at the feed lots before slaughter. This in turn causes problems with their digestive system, which they are given anti-biotics for, if I remember correctly. Anyway, I always look for natural Australian grass fed meat when it goes on sale at my local grocery store
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Finally, someone with common sense!
Occupy wastes a lot of time with WallStreet, anarchy, communism, socialism, LGTB rights, unions, etc... You're right, we shouldn't care about anything else before the animal problem is resolved, except maybe for the environment which is closely related. Ya ya, some will say we can deal with more than one thing at once. Bunk! You're spot on. One problem at a time. We haven't accomplished one thing with these unrealistic dreams like direct democracy and anarchy. Time to change Occupy into something that can actually affect change.
Let's start by changing this site's header to "Occupy Animals Welfare" or something. Let's push for vegetarianism, and let's start building links with PETA and the like.
Then we need to find a way to change the boring political babble on this website, to something useful like discussing programs to create change in regards to animal welfare and the environment.
Right on, why do we care about anything else! Indeed.
Great post jart.
Animals are on this earth for food, you're just an idiot If you're a vegan.