Forum Post: THE GAME PLAN
Posted 13 years ago on Sept. 29, 2011, 2:49 a.m. EST by Massengale
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from Richmond, VA
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You must organize massive strikes. Marching is not enough. In a Capitalist society only striking will bring genuine change.
1) Organize strikes throughout the entire city: businesses and trades of every kind. Have them each designate a specific color to represent themselves.
2) Congregate all striking organizations in one place.
3) Have this become the equivalent of a political primary; each striking organization representing themselves by designated color and speakers. The speakers will acknowledge the striking "party"'s demands and goals, in turn, in front of the entire "primary".
4) Post cameramen/women equipped with professional digital cameras on top of surrounding buildings, where they will place cameras on tripods and record stable, clear footage of the proceedings, showing the amount of people who are participating, which will then be posted on the Internet.
5) Place more cameramen/women in front of or close to podium in front of "primary" with professional digital cameras, to record all speakers clearly, which will then be posted on the Internet.
6) Have other cameramen/women placed sporadically around and within the "primary" to record potential police/military opposition/brutality, which will then be posted on the Internet.
7) Request anyone who is not near an "Occupy" city to create their own viral videos using already existing or totally original footage voicing their opinions and/or doing other things to bring awareness of this struggle such as comparing and contrasting the media's coverage of the "Tea Party Movement" and this, etc.
8) Voting is a form of striking. Therefore, everyone must become registered voters and do the proper research of candidates, laws, and policies being proposed in each election. (The reason why the "Tea Party Movement" receives more media attention than any other movement is because the majority of that "movement"'s participates are registered voters who make it a point to vote in every possible election.)
9) VOTE.
do your homework. get back to me on that.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
look, those details don't matter. here are the details that do matter. Until we have a lucid evolutionary political platform and a candidate for every political office in this country, its too early to march or strike or boycott or even occupy anything. So. Catch up to the REAL work and then get back to me about media events. reply permalink edit delete
HERE'S MY PROPOSED LIST OF DEMANDS AND TACTICS THAT WILL WORK https://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/
i agree in principal, however I believe strikes need to be prioritized where morality is compromised to the largest perceived extent also e.g. where needed natural resources chronically effecting our future ecosystem are being depleted; or where the impact on those who are in control today (and who abuse it to the detriment of nature) is greatest.
VOTE is wrong . Cause all politicians wich seems as opposition to each other are guided from the same hand or indebted to true elite somehow. Complete dismantling the system is only solution. BUT there is one good option to stay in the system and test your strength. Is it possible to candidate donkey or a horse as a independent candidate for presidental election if it acumulates enough votes in some kind of petition ? Roman emperor Caligulus once made a horse a senator of Rome , to mock roman elected senate ... maybe you could do so in such point to show politicians their worthylesness. You will compete in a system , but horse can never be corrupted to make compromises and at the and be
boughtand soflty corrupted .Already been done... a fern was elected to office.... google it. Truth is voting will work if we demand real vote counts and OCCUPY the process the entire time to ensure the votes are counted. Run real people. Don't let them convince you its over... its never over. If you think your vote doesn't have meaning or let them stick it in a box and walk away, they have won... watch the process... MAKE IT WORK. This is our democracy. We can do anything if we are willing to sacrifice our time for it.
Doesnt solve the problem ab initio. All political class is guided by elite in elite covertly. They are financed durign election campaigns , secretly blackmailed and they follow agenda of those hidden in shadows. It is not important for whome you vote , it will be the same . they will play opposition to themselves just like theater performance of democracy. Democracy is disbanded some time ago , but in a manner that we dont notice it . System is unrepairible.
That's why real people need to run. We could change things ourselves. People are not stupid. We have all the tools. Stop bying into their game. Their game is rigged. Reality is malleable. People would rather vote for a fern. Im sure they would vote for a real person. Not everyone is greedy. Part of our problem is our own cynicism. That's part of their game too. Its time we do reality instead of a game. Especially now... we have millions and millions with no jobs and nothing to lose.... we have the manpower... we just need to organize and use it.. we still have the internet too... its not over yet. The hope isn't in a candidate, its in ourselves to stand up and make the change... its what our founding fathers did... and we could do it again... perfection isn't necessary. Time will move us towards that... we just need to make it better. To build a world that will work for everyone. Why not try? Why be cynical? Why not run for office as a poor person. And run on that. Rich is the new gay.
One day rich will have no meaning... we will look at the rich as we do on slave owners... there is little difference.... change is the only constant... and we should be embracing our ability to change... rather than be so cynical as to think that nothing will ever change... look how far we have come... don't be discouraged by the fact that we aren't in a perfect world... be encouraged by the ability for making lemonade out of lemons... life will go on. And out of pain comes art... out of hardship comes strength... the world could have maintained the status quo of indentured servitude to capitalism and greed.... but it went so far as to create the very conditions that would destroy it.... now be the change... and the change will catch up with us. Freedom is free, but it's not easy. Its thirst, its hunger, its sharing, perservering, its being strong enough to say... and live: "give me liberty, or give me death".
Yo man , i concur , but when i said system is unrepairable , have you ever thinked
out of box??? We are free to invent some new . As one transitionall step ban all stock exchanges and virtual money . Then consolidate rest of economy to avert the negative effects . In next phase we dismantle complete use of money. Then we make some adaptations phase to ensure production/distributions gaps and supply/demand standards for all. We make complete new society. IF our society grows by overconsumping that means that there is everything for us already and it can be free . But step by step to another society . No more of this shitYo man , i concur , but when i said system is unrepairable , have you ever thinked
out of box??? We are free to invent some new . As one transitionall step ban all stock exchanges and virtual money . Then consolidate rest of economy to avert the negative effects . In next phase we dismantle complete use of money. Then we make some adaptations phase to ensure production/distributions gaps and supply/demand standards for all. We make complete new society. IF our society grows by overconsumping that means that there is everything for us already and it can be free . But step by step to another society . No more of this shitvoting is not the answer at this point. we are far past that. take a minute and watch this.......from another American Hero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
George Carlin (RIP) is no hero... he never ran for office... never tried to change the system. He made money from it being broken. Get it right. Think for yourself. He only caused apathy. People can change things rather than complain like carlin did.... comedians are good for a laugh.. and I love his humor... but he is no hero. He did NOTHING to change it.... just became the 1 percent.... and loved it. He didn't want it to change... otherwise he would have ran for office himself, got elected and fought for it. Apathy is death, and may he RIP.
i wont argue your point....i will retract the word hero. and believe he was someone looking for change.
well.....i will argue your point. running for office is not the only way to effect change. if that was true than my posts and yours mean nothing.......unless of course you are considering an elected position.......
You are also right, running for office isn't the only way to change things.... but we all need leaders... or at least a consensus... otherwise we have chaos... the wild west comes to mind... we have come a long ways... but we are not where we need to be yet. We should be supporting the businesses that help people. Doing what is right, even if it is not easy. Its about standing up for each other, and be willing to share what we have in order to make a better world... we are more productive in creating than ever... but yet we allow a few to reap all the benefit. Its not just about America... its about the world... we are all human. Regardless of god, religeon, or color... we are all here... and have so much we can offer each other instead of focusing on the negative, wasting energy and time complaining... ect. Yeah politicians suck for the most part... but that is because we don't vote, we don't have more than two sides. We have sides at all.... we should be voting for people, not parties. One day science will eliminate the problem, money will not matter, you will be able to replicate anything from atoms... dirt, trash,feces, whathaveyou... then things will change.. but we need to do what we can to get there and make sure we know what technology is availible.... slavery isn't necessary.... we have evolved past that... but a lot of people live in an old paradigm... hold onto hope, because things will change... its inevitable...
I would love to run for office... I am just a poor person, how do I go about doing this? The only reason I get upset when carlin says don't vote is that he had money to run and could have won. I love the man, he is an amazing thinker, although cynical, but perhaps a lot of us are aren't we? We have little to nothing to lose, while carlin had everything to lose... sometimes that's what makes the difference right? We are all afraid... but that's not freedom... Janis Joplin said it best... freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. I wish I had the means to run for office and promote myself... I would gladly fight for the poor and the rich alike. Its about being human, and building a world that works for everyone. Its not socialism or communism its about working together to survive and be happy. To have lives worth living... that mean more than surviving at the expense of others....
i say this with some years behind me.....for whatever it may be worth. the only life worth living is the one you stand up for. you sell yourself and this process short. Carlin effected awareness simply by voicing his view. every time I've stood in front of a city council and challenged them: i'd like to believe I've had an impact.....i believe i have. why? by adding a voice to the conversation.
OWS has already changed the dynamics of the discourse.
point: exercise your rights in a Democratic system. for whatever matters to you. you want to run for office? RUN. no one stopping you but yourself.......and perhaps fear. you wont always win....but you will change it.
Truth comes in many forms... and I do believe every action causes change... it is the purpose of us being here at all. Voting is important though, sure it is not everything... OWS is more important... standing up and fighting is important. We let capitalism walk all over us... we LET them. I love Carlin's humor, but I do feel he was a bit irresponsible with his power at times. I am not sayiing any of us are better. We all are human aren't we? That was a point he made loud and clear.. but like Michael Moore at times... its not enough to point out the problem, we must point out and LIVE the solution. I will run for office one day. As of now I have some more learning experiences to go through and share through my music and my art. Maybe one day we will have musicians in office... we have had actors, why not musicians ;)
and perhaps poets and painters as well then i will also run for office...:) your very first and last statements are, to my mind, incredibly important to understand. there is likely a reason.....
Already been done... a fern was elected to office.... google it. Truth is voting will work if we demand real vote counts and OCCUPY the process the entire time to ensure the votes are counted. Run real people. Don't let them convince you its over... its never over. If you think your vote doesn't have meaning or let them stick it in a box and walk away, they have won... watch the process... MAKE IT WORK. This is our democracy. We can do anything if we are willing to sacrifice our time for it.
yes agreed.......simple point: Demand Real Effective Democracy. Until then voting does not matter.
i don't agree, and i don't get the sense you have been paying close attention to the process of others in this. Strikes are not seriously meaningful and certainly not as meaningful as working the problems open source. The reason why the tea party gets press is its representing the elites.
What? Striking is the most powerful weapon in the toolbox. They are hard to organize, hard to win but EXTREMELY effective. Why do think the capitalists have basically outlawed them?
Strikes actually STOP the flow of capital. That's what a strike is. Would it be awesome to call a general strike in NYC and have it be honored? Yes. Billions of dollars would disappear. We're a long way from that. Building it every day - but not quite yet.
theres a two sectioned economy. you striking against goldman sachs is meaningless because you were not going to shop there anyhow. The people we are protesting have services they give to the elites. not us. We were not going to use those services, so we can't stop using those services. Strikes are only meaningful where you have a target corporation which provides services to the 99 percent.
You are talking about boycotts... a strike is when workers stop allowing the company to make or move products/services.
look, those details don't matter. here are the details that do matter. Until we have a lucid evolutionary political platform and a candidate for every political office in this country, its too early to march or strike or boycott or even occupy anything. So. Catch up to the REAL work and then get back to me about media events.
Ummmm...A strike is when the workers stop working. I don't think anyone is expecting the workers of Goldman Sachs to stop working. (Although there's been a few GS at the GA! LOL) WE as a movement can't strike GS because we don't work there. A lot of us are unemployed, so we can march on picket lines - but we can't strike.
If workers stop working or slow down, even if they are stopping services and goods the 99% use - its stops the flow of capital to people who make money off that labor. It also gets the attention of EVERYONE using the services.
assuming that you can talk people into in essence betting their job on your revolution. Assuming etc. This is not a serious or meaningful course of action until all of the other ducks are in line. they are not.
Strikes are meaningful if people are not fearing for their lives and their families... we can start organizations to get donations from around the world... we aren't the only ones who want to see america change. If we come together, we can do anything... the world can be fair if we make it so...don't be afraid. There's little time and nothing left to lose that wont be taken from you anyways.... stand up and be the change. Share what you have, it doesn't take much to survive... break bread and make it happen.
Strikes are meaningful maybe once we get other things organized, until then the level of organization would tend to imply that attempting a strike would fail because we would be too scattered to make it work. Lets get our organization solid and work on problem solving some and get back around to these extra strategic ideas a week from now.