Forum Post: The folks in the corner offices in the investment banks are reportedly starting to get nervous about Occupy Wall St. movement. Here's why. . .
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 1:09 a.m. EST by therising
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Corporations are only interested in one thing: profits. Nothing else matters to them. And, since they are legally considered persons, it is fair (as the documentary "The Corporation" points out) to judge what kind of people they are. And they are sociopaths. What other kind of person would fight off regulations that protect the health, welfare and happiness of their community and their children? What kind of "person" would do that?
The sad truth is that the 1% are as caught in this machine as the 99% and I'm here to tell ya: The 1% aren't any happier than us. So all this suffering isn't even benefitting ANYONE when you get right down to it. This is not to imply that it would be OK as long as it did, but the point is still pretty sad. These corporate guys are stuck in an inhuman role too. Not saying they shouldn't go to jail if they break the law. THEY SHOULD. Just saying that the going to jail part won't fix the overall problem for others will fill their corner offices. What we need is fundamental change at the deepest and most basic levels of our system.
Two months ago, that would have felt like a pipe dream. . But now.... Now..... We see that more is possible than we thought. Why? Because we, the 99%, we that were once divided into thousands of factions are now realizing that we have more things in common than we have separating us. So, I suppose you could say "the jig is up."
Marie Antoinette and the French court also didn't realize until it was a bit too late. Yes the OWS protests are a bit fuzzy and need to focus on the real issues at hand like hell, but obviously they've struck a nerve worldwide. People hate banks and bankers with good reason...and much moreso outside the USA than in it. Go to Germany, they are prosperous and still hate bankers becuase they are smarter than we are...they know that nothing good or long lasting comes from financial manipulation. They still produce products the world wants to buy...we need to learn from them and not the other way around.
You make a good point that we all are from different factions but agree we have more things in common. Its still hard not to call all the nuts & trolls on their BS! I'm trying!
Keep at it :)
Some very worthwhile considerations there therising and that's why we must all do everything we can to help this movement go forward for as long as possible!
It is a battering ram on a decayed system. It will succeed in time.
I believe it will.... If we coordinate our pushes. 1, 2, 3 PUSH!!!!! Pause........ 1,2,3 PUSH
Reckon the secretaries, bookkeepers, file clerks, etc may be nervous about their jobs too.
I think we're ALL nervous about our jobs in an economy where we've stopped making things and have stopped investing in education and the future and 40% of GDP comes from the absurd paper shuffling in the financial services industry. 40%!!!!!!!! 40%%%%%%%%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unsustainable for anyone in any job.
So ask yourself who shipped those jobs overseas....the jobs related to manufacturing... Who did that?
Well, looky there. It's the same corporate racketeers who have been funding a well orchestrated campaign to convince us, the 99%, that this crisis is our fault.
I would be scared too if i had a bunch of drunk stinky angry hippies outside my office.
Look up the term "ad hominem".
I don't need to . One of my degrees is philosophy. "At the man" meaning one attacks someone based on non sequitor arguments. Instead of refuting an argument with logic you attack the person's credibility.
Lets be honest with ourselves. Most people are only interested in profits as well. It is the profit motive that gets people out of bed in the morning to go to work.
Profit is not inherently evil.
therising wrote: What other kind of person would fight off regulations that protect the health, welfare and happiness of their community and their children? What kind of "person" would do that?END------
Basically, it is not human.Human beings have a lot of instincts in their phylogeny than just mammal. It represents a de evolution, a move towards extinction.
I believe it's Powaqqatsi - Native American term that describes a life force that depends upon the taking of other life forces for its survival. My point is that we're caught up in this new form of capitalism where the corporate system is no longer benefitting humanity. It is feeding off our energy and giving nothing in return.
Yea, there was the sequel to Koyanisqatsi (life out of balance), a Hopi Indian conjunctive -- the word Powaqa, I which refers to a negative sorcerer who lives at the expense of others, and Qatsi --i.e., life. Appropriate analysis, and still, behavior originating from less than human instincts.
I believe we can nurture systems of human organizations that are sustainable rather than leach-like. What would that look like in a nutshell from your perspective?
Western society is missing an appreciation of 86% of life, the unconscious. Despite the fact that each American is 86% unconscious when they are awake, for 1/3 of their life they are totally unconscious. That wave of basically exclusive unconsciousness, travels around the planet ceaselessly and always has.
Our unconscious basically controls us, the "Id" in ancient Grecian terms. The conscious mind, the "Ego", despite what the western world has painted it as, is a very good part of the human, when it observes the highest unconscious purposes. Those purposes which include survival and evolution, then acts as an enabler to execute the vital actions insuring lifes continuity.
Love is an instinct that works to protect life. By using it, from the unconscious where its capacity really resides, we understand that we must sacrifice what we want for what we need. You always want what you need, the reverse is not true. We, in the future, need to live for the spiritual aspects of life, found through the unconscious mind naturally, and seek balance with nature, sustainability.
That of course will not happen on any large scale right away, but it could start, and be shown that it is a better life than we have now.
But then we would be in control of ourselves, and the nwo does not want that. It wants dependent people that do not know themselves each other or their purposes in anyway that does not profit corporations. Then it can be parasitic upon part of the people, in order to keep another part in abject service to them. "negative sorcerer who lives at the expense of others"
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And while your point that the 1% aren't any happier is well taken, they aren't worried with whether or not they can attend to the fundamental needs in life: healthful food, a place to sleep and call home, healthcare. The kind of anxiety and guilt a parent may feel when facing foreclosure, when realizing he or she just doesn't have the money to put enough food on the table, is not a part of the life experience of the 1%. There is a real struggle that many face just fulfilling basic needs, particularly during these times, and while there may well be lots of unhappiness among the wealthy, they simply do not face these worries.
That is very true. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I was just trying to point out how sad it is that hoarding all this wealth above and beyond the basics is totally absurd way for society to operate. When 1% of population has 40% of the wealth, then that society is sick and unsustainable. We can do better. And we will.
Amen!
We can do this. Our fear is dropping away and freedom will rise "like the sun through the morning clouds.
Andrey Pogudin is a wealthy banker with RBS, is part of the 1%, and is a father who, despite his wealth and, more importantly, despite being blessed with the best little boy any father could hope for, has not paid one penny of his child support in over ONE YEAR. And this is after he sued me to pay a mere $1K/mo. in child support, an amount any banker would scoff at! But he stopped paying that meager amount long ago, and shows no concern for his son's welfare. If this one banker, who has enjoyed a thriving career in banking, seems to fit in quite well, does not show any concern for whether or not his own flesh and blood is living in poverty, then you have your answer to "What kind of person...?" This is a man with all the money in the world to give his little boy the best in life, but he has chosen to stop sending any money for his son to live on. Andrey Pogudin is one banker, a part of the whole, and while most fathers in banking surely show more concern for their children, this is the sort of greed that needs to be countered.
KidsDeserveBetter it is disgusting to think that Scumbags like Andrey Pogudin get to walk around free with the rest of society. I hope his little boy never has to learn about his father, no little boy should have to face that truth.
Thanks, Jeff. My little boy is only 7, but he's a smart little guy and he understands a lot. I've worked very hard to make sure he feels secure and confident and that he knows he's deserving of love, no matter how badly his father may neglect him. He is the best little boy you could ever meet and has such a kind and loving heart. Sadly, there are lots of parents who neglect their children, and it is always heartbreaking, but my son's father has all the money in the world to give his son the best, but he's chosen to stop sending any money, knowing full well what that would mean for his son. He hasn't sent a card for Christmas, a birthday present in years. He has not laid eyes on his son in over 4 years and brought my son to tears many times with broken promises about visits that never happened. After all this time, my son doesn't have any use for him, and he's really become a stranger. The sick irony is that he recently went on another one of his lavish adventures, this time climbing some mtn. in the Arctic, and he had the audacity to pose with his big smile for loads of photos that have been put on the Internet, claiming he carried out the expedition for children with cancer!! RBS actually published an article about how he "risked life and limb" to help sick children. It would be laughable were it not so hurtful. (And, let's be honest, he has loads of money, hasn't paid child support in a year, so if he really wanted to raise money for charity he could easily write a big check instead of pretending another extravagent holiday was done for altruistic purposes, plastering the Internet with stories of how he's the first Russian to reach some mtn peak, all to help the kids when he doesn't give one penny to his own amazing little boy!) But this is the least of what this man has put us through. Anyway, my son may not have the lavish lifestyle his father has, FAR from it, but he's forming values that reflect a concern for society and he knows that love and compassion are far more important than money. Andrey Pogudin has his money, but he's missing out on what matters in life.
PS - If you watch the award-winning documentary "Inside Job", you'll get a clear view of what has happened here.
excellent documentary.
Clear, concise. impeccably researched and free of hyperbole.
I'm pretty sure you're still divided. Nobody can tell me what you guys want and everyone seems to have their own solutions to the problems we face. YOU NEED A LEADER!
That will come but right now it's actually going pretty well without "official leaders" and without "official demands" wouldn't you say? All the specifics will coalesce but first the 99% need to discover they have more things in common than they have separating them.