Forum Post: the ex of taking down Libya as killing the idea of direct democracy, just like killing the electric car was to keep big oil monopoly on power...
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 10:12 a.m. EST by maikeru333
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFQD3shYPdU
So that is another vid on Libya that I like... I think this one is about how their gov't worked, ie direct participatory democracy, and why this might be considered a threat to possible 'false' democracies... I like to give the analogy from the movie 'who killed the electric car', where the decision was made to put an entire fleet of revolutionary electric vehicles which were performing very well into 'chipper' machines, to break them down into tiny chips, so noone would see these vehicles around any more... because if people realized something better existed, or could exist... they would demand it... and that would have consequences for the current 'oil based' regime, etc... ie they are doing their best to kill an idea, because the idea is revolutionary, and a threat to current power regimes, even though it is a solution to so many of the problems we are facing today, etc. When you begin to 'decentralize' energy power, it necessarily begins to decentralize the generation of energy power, and then also, the political and economic power, and to break up the monopolies which some have created based on these, etc. Maybe I will share this with the occupy folks...
Michael Goguen
It's a shame that less than 3000 people since May have seen this. People in Libya loved Qaddafi; he returned power to the people of Libya in l977, and charges that he was a brutal dictator are false, just as the charges of Lockerbie have been proven false.
http://www.justiceformegrahi.com/
signatories include families of the victims
Libyans enjoy(ed) the following: $50,000 as a gift after marriage $5,000 as a gift to every child born free housing free medical free education, even if your chosen field required study abroad with allowances for transportation and housing. Today, 83% of Libyans are literate, and 25% hold a higher education degree if you wanted to be a farmer, the state would set you up with land, animals, housing, seeds and machinery every person had a voice in community forum to discuss the needs of the people women enjoyed equal rights Electricity is free banks are state owned-no interest on loans gov subsidies 50% of the price of a car, gas is cheap. so is bread
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/16-things-libya-will-never-see-again/
Just to show you how demonic NATO is, last July they bombed Libya's vast irrigation system along with the factories which produce the pipelines, leaving much of that desert nation without water.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/07/30/pure-evil-nato-attacked-libyan-pipeline-and-the-factory-that-makes-replacement-pipes/
The French and British were discussing how to divide Libya's wealth months before Qaddafi was 'killed'.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/01/libya-oil
and please don't tell me that if I love it so much, just move there. learn for yourself the truth of how this world is run, and how your train of thought is managed.
Libya was destroyed for the profit of the european conglomerates, and also because of their system of government (which btw, was working for an arab gold currency)
You can't be serious. Lybia? Really?
By the way the electric car didn't and still can't compete because of problems with the storage of electricity in the batteries.
If someone could come up with an electric car that could compete it would have been done by now. Remember Capitalists like profits
1908 or something they were competitive. you might have to dig to find it though. and electricity was more expensive than oil then. i could probably hook you up with a presentation someone did on this, with all the references... but i'm not sure how comfortable he would be showing it or not, it was a private viewing for a special interest group that got to see it. or maybe it is online already. maybe i will look quickly for it...
no can't find it
http://occupywallst.org/forum/some-links-about-how-subversion-of-movements-is-ha/
has three quick links on libya for stevo, if he doesn't have a lot of time to brush up on what the 'other side' is saying about what is going on in libya... my sister is (was) in the military, dating someone who is; she finds these things hard to hear from me. sometimes she has alternatve perspectives to share also, which i value as well, although i feel like the people that might feed her lies probably have a much bigger budget for this than the people i am finding videos from on the other side, too... but then again, how can you know until you check, right?
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Yea they loved Qaddafi. That's why they killed him.
You morons
really stevo? what is the source of your information? have you watched any of the other vids showing other sides of the story, like independent journalists who were there?
you seem to be strongly attached to your view point, i'm not sure if your view point is actually up for debate, but if it is, would you consider going into these things here?
as far as electric cars, you can get around distance issues by having trailers, with batteries on them, which are left to charge when not in use, and swap them around when necessary, for instance when travelling. people have talked about integrated 'housecars' too, where houses would generate electricity, but the batteries of electric vehicle components could be used to buffer electricity in peak periods, so you would need far less generation capacity, and could reliably use wind and solar as primary sources, even though they are not constant. or on demand, necessarily.
If a car runs on just electricity, and our electricity comes from burning coal, how is that car running clean again?