Forum Post: The cost for an ER visit, a CT scan, a dose of IV antibiotics and hospital admission came to more than $30,000.
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 19, 2013, 9:01 p.m. EST by gmxusa
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by Andrew T. Gray
The doctor was adamant. "This is America, not Sweden," he told me. "We operate."
How did this happen to me? I wondered, looking at him across the ER exam room. How could I, a healthcare provider, not have insurance?
I had woken up that morning with a mildly upset stomach. Nonetheless, I'd gone to my job (begun only six weeks earlier) as a physician assistant at a Beverly Hills HIV clinic. I'd seen patients until lunchtime, then attended a research meeting. The subject was a study of irritable bowel syndrome.
"I need to be in this study," I joked to a coworker. "My IBS is acting up."
I don't have IBS, but I was indeed having crampy stomach pain. I continued to see patients until 3 pm, when the pain became steady: on a ten-point scale, I gave it a six. I left work early.
As I exited the building, my first thought was Freedom! I can get home early, relax, maybe take a nap...
Crawling into bed, however, I realized that my pain had coalesced in the right lower quadrant of my abdomen. Could it be appendicitis?
Panic flooded me. After six weeks at my new job, I now qualified for health insurance, but I'd neglected to fill out the necessary paperwork.
Only an hour after leaving the clinic, I returned. Almost hysterically, I completed and faxed in the insurance forms.
"Go to the emergency room right now," urged one of my supervising physicians.
I felt it would look better, though, if I didn't show up at the ER on the day I'd applied for insurance. Because I had no fever, nausea or vomiting, I decided to return to my apartment. I spent a sleepless night tossing and turning.
At 6:30 am, I walked to the large, prestigious nonprofit hospital located three blocks from my apartment.
Waiting for the ER doctor, I recalled that, at some point in my schooling, I'd read a Swedish study about treating appendicitis with antibiotics. Googling the study on my smartphone, I found it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22569747
By the time the ER resident approached, I was ready.
"I don't have health insurance," I said calmly. "Can I be treated with antibiotics instead of surgery?"
He pondered what I'd just said.
"I doubt they're going to let you do that here," he said finally. "But keep expressing interest."
When the ER attending physician came in, I repeated the question.
"Absolutely not," he replied flatly. "This is America, not Sweden. If you have appendicitis, we operate."
They sent me for a triple-contrast CT scan. The results: early acute appendicitis.
Next I met with the surgical team--a resident and a medical student.
"I'm familiar with the literature about antibiotics in lieu of surgery," the resident said, sounding annoyed. "But those studies were in pediatric patients, not adults."
I pulled out my phone. "The study says five hundred and fifty-eight patients. No mention of pediatrics. Seventy-seven percent success rate."
He turned to the med student. "We have to get the attending."
The attending surgeon arrived and heard my spiel.
"Seventy-seven percent is a horrible number for a surgeon," he said firmly. "We're looking for much better than a seventy-seven-percent success rate."
"But I don't have insurance," I protested.
"Man, you already got a CT scan--your bill is going to be huge anyway," he said irritably. "This is a simple surgery. I can put you on for four pm."
I was given a dose of IV antibiotics in preparation for surgery. Once in my hospital room, I tried not to move; it hurt too much. They offered me morphine, but I refused. If I took it, I'd no longer be able to use my pain levels to gauge the seriousness of my situation.
Delores, my nurse, entered the room. One hand held a hospital survey.
"What's the primary goal with regard to your stay here?" she asked.
"That it be as cheap as possible," I replied, my spirits sinking. I knew how impossible that was.
Delores looked at me intently.
"Sir, we want you to focus on getting well. Please don't think about the cost; that can all be worked out once you're healthy again."
So many times, I'd heard myself say these very words when a patient expressed concern about treatment expenses.
But now I realized the truth: no one involved in my care actually knew the cost of any of the treatments they were suggesting.
Turning to my phone again, I found a Harvard Medical School article supporting antibiotics for acute appendicitis:
I also found a Cochrane Review:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22071846
Nevertheless, when you're a physician assistant, it's hard to stand up to an army of MDs telling you that you need surgery. Although I feared that my insurance coverage wouldn't come through, I resigned myself to going under the knife.
Two friends had come to keep me company, so at least I wasn't waiting alone. I discussed my concerns with them. They were understanding, but not being in medicine themselves, they weren't willing to support my attempt to buck the system.
At 5 pm, Delores informed me that emergency surgeries had preempted all the anesthesiologists, and that my procedure would happen as soon as anesthesia was available--"maybe around eight o'clock."
"Don't worry," she said reassuringly. "Appendectomies don't get cancelled."
My phone rang. It was another supervisor from work.
"How do you feel?" he asked.
"The pain is five out of ten," I said. "A little less than this morning."
"Andrew, get out of there. We'll schedule you for an appendectomy as an outpatient procedure tomorrow. You'll save a lot of money."
Seconds after we said goodbye, I pulled out my IV. My friends, shocked but wrapped up in the drama of the moment, helped me to gather my things, and I walked out of my room and down to the nursing station.
"I'm signing out against medical advice," I told Delores.
She looked shocked. "Sir, please don't do this. You could die."
"I'm not going to die," I said excitedly, fueled by adrenaline. "If I need to, I'll come back." I felt bad for upsetting Delores; I know she was sincerely worried about me.
I texted my supervisor, asking him to call in prescriptions for the antibiotics used in the studies. That night I started taking them.
The next morning, my pain was down to a three. I declined outpatient surgery.
Over the weekend I lay low, and on Monday I worked a full day. On Tuesday night, I attended my regular yoga class with no problem. On Wednesday, I got word that my insurance would be instated retroactively to the first of the month.
Then the bills started to arrive. The full tab for an ER visit, a CT scan, a dose of IV antibiotics and hospital admission came to more than $30,000. That was without an appendectomy.
Two weeks later, I finished my oral antibiotics. Total cost: less than $50.
It's now six months later. I haven't missed a day of work, and I feel great.
Had I known that my insurance was active, I certainly would have had that appendectomy. In retrospect, I'm thankful that I didn't know. A 77 percent success rate may not be acceptable to an American surgeon, but it was good enough for a guy without insurance.
It's easy to tell a worried patient, "Let's worry about the cost once you're healthy," but having been that patient myself, if only for a day, I know how thoroughly the fear of medical bills can obliterate any concern about health or healing.
Nowadays, when someone asks me how much a treatment costs, I no longer get annoyed.
I go and find out.
About the author:
Andrew T. Gray graduated last December from Baylor College of Medicine's physician assistant program, where he served as president of his class; he now practices HIV medicine at Pacific Oaks Medical Group in Beverly Hills, CA. An active member of the American Academy of Physician Assistants and the California Academy of Physician Assistants, Andrew has been interested in writing since he majored in English literature as an undergraduate at the University of Texas at Austin. Looking back on the incidents that led to this story, he says, "It's been six months since my brush with appendicitis, and I'm feeling fine."
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We need universal healthcare that is not-for-profit.
Yep - but the for profit people are gonna fight to the death - umm yours or mine before they will let that happen.
Increasing costs = increasing profits. Have universal healthcare, less litigation, lower the cost of medical education, make the whole thing not for profit, include everyone, the young, the old, the sick and the healthy, and, bingo, you'll have health care costs go down rather quickly. The greedy don't want this because increasing costs = increasing profits.
Exactly - for profit collusion or in another familiar term - Monopoly with a captive audience - only not so much an unbreakable conceit if people punish the luxuries - like cable tv - or extra bells and whistles on their mobile service or hell cancel mobile service by a pre-paid phone for emergency use only and get a magic jack account for use on a bare bones internet connection at home.
Medical system has been Weaponized. A symptom of the problem.
Had tonsillectomy in 1957. Surgery and one night in hospital cost my parents $200. What would this cost today?
i have had acute appendicitis resulting in surgery to take out my appendix.
Then about 10 years later I had the EXACT SAME symptoms as when I had had acute appendicitis. Maybe I had a second appendix I did not know about?
This time, having just canceled my hospitalization insurance just a couple months earlier, I had no choice but to tough it out. (no, I'm not recommending this for anyone else). I went through half a day of pure agony, (in which I spent part of the day on the computer creating www.occupynews.blogspot.com) and then I started to get better.
I think what happened is I was getting sick, so I ate some raw garlic (with small amount of whole wheat bread) but I also made the mistake of eating another perceived cold/flu fighter which I have forgotten the name at this moment in time), and I think there was a major battle going on in my insides as a result.
I recall a few days afterwards thinking to myself, if I just had the exact same symptoms that I had when my appendix was taken out, and survived without additional surgery, maybe I did not need my appendix taken out either. Of course, I'll never know and I'm not advocating people tough out appendicitis either, just sharing my story.
Insurance companies negotiate with hospitals, pushing prices down for volume patients. To keep their profits intact, hospitals are forced to compensate by increasing prices, creating an upwards cost spiral.
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/1/45.full
Back when I had my surgery, I had just increased my deductible not more than three months earlier to 5,000 dollar from 2,000 dollars. I had calculated it would only take me around 18 months to save the money in lower premiums, and after that it would all be savings.
So it was frustrating to have just raised the deductible after ten years of a lower deductible and never going in for anything. The total cost was somewhere around 30,000 for four days. I paid 5,000, plus a co-deductible of 20% on the first 5,000 and the insurance company only paid around 5 to 6,000 as well.
So, amazingly enough, I ended up paying equivalent to what the insurance company paid. But if I had not had the insurance, it would have cost me 30 thousand.
One scam that ticked me off, I went to a hospital that was covered under their plan, and therefore I was only supposed to co-pay 10% instead of 20% on the initial amount. But because some of the first bills came from outside the hospital, they used that to justify charging me 20% instead of 10% of the first 5,000
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High costs of education, litigation, and for profit companies that make the technologies, and insurance companies that set the prices that they are willing to cover. These and many more reasons.