Forum Post: The Best Solution!
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 11, 2011, 12:39 a.m. EST by OccupyAjobYouLosers
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from Beacon, NY
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Go home. You pussies aren't doing anything productive. You fight the business because you chicken shits are to afraid to fight the government (the real problem). I mean shit, they are the ones pepper spraying your asses, not the corporations. And yelling "shame" is not going to make them stop. If your not going to do shit right don't bother. Get your heads out of your hippie asses, get a job, move out of your tents and take a mother fucking shower. And the police are right for forcing you guy's to move, the land is not JUST yours, other people live and would like to use the roads and parks without having to see a bunch of 40 year old washed up losers yell and chant because they are to lazy to get a fucking job. If I was the chief of police I would drive a tractor through and run you fuckers over.
No Love,
Me
Corporate America is the ones who buy our government... They are the real problem.
As for us being pussies, Some of us are not the peace and love hippies you think make up the majority of the OWS protesters. Some of us are well armed and highly trained to use those weapons. Some of us would love nothing more then to cross paths with you in a dark alley.
Be careful of the things you say my friend.
I'm interested in why someone hostile to OWS would choose to spend time on an OWS forum when clearly most people there disagree with them. And why all the Anglo-Saxon invective? Is that really necessary to make your point, whatever it is? You seem to be reacting to aspects of OWS that get a lot of press attention. OWS is much broader and more complicated than that. A day at an occupation near you might change your life. It does for most people.
The radical view above was just to get people to listen. I posted similar in a nice way and got more insults than this one tearing you guys down. Unfortunately it is necessarily to allow me to begin to make my point. I have been to a occupation (a local small one) and unfortunately I seen what I hoped this movement would not become. Then again it was one movement, but rest of the OWS who claim they are not like that don;t seem to discredit them or say other wise.
You're wrong. This corrupt company sold U.S. Military secrets to the Russians. Those secrets had to do with submarines. My buddy was on one of those submarines. Nothing happened to this company because of their connections.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/
The Revolution starts here!
Well how will protesting them solve this problem?
It will put a spotlight on these bastards. This company has survived by staying under the radar and branching out. In 2006, they got involved in nuclear power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba
Corrupt companies threaten capitialism and freedom in general. Whenever you see a bad company you should try and point it out, whenever you see a good company, you should support them. The problems in this country are due to people's unwillingness to do anything about those up to no good.
But it was not until now that someone individually called out that company. This movement needs to call attention to and fight the corrupt not the general. If the movement majority did as what you said above, I would support you guys.
Well, everytime you comment, you bring this post to the top, you help me change things here, and you help stop two evil companies: Toshiba and Enterprise. Are you willing to do a little more?
Paste this link:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/
On the comment section of the top 6 people here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2213279355#!/group.php?gid=2213279355&v=wall
That way, the people who posted can see, and everyone else can see too. I am asking you to support me. Anyways, the KTC welcomes you with open arms.
The Revolution starts here!
I find that my reasons are just, and I don't particularly find that I am arguing.
Hey Occupyajobyoulosers, I say this in coomplete calmness and Im not trying to fight with you ok?
do you think the world (or america) is fine the way it is or is there things you see the powerful are doing that are wrong? If so, what do you propose that we do about it? If not, then are you in the 1% (I am truly curious about your background)
I respect your calmness,
I am not the 1%, and things are not fine in America (or the world). I propose you protest the government. Corporations are not the problem, there are a FEW corrupt one's but in everything there are a few bad in a large amount of good. The problem with OWS is they are grouping the honest, good businesses with they very few bad. They are blaming capitalism and business for the problems of today when the government is mostly responsible. OWS needs to work to putting people in government who give money to the people and not countries overseas. Fix the problems in the government.
Hey I agree with you, but do you realize that the corporations are using lots of money to put their own people into government, and that the handouts back to those same corporations are FAR larger than what we are giving overseas? There is ALSO an occupy movement in DC, but this is a multipronged protest on our part. Government is a large part of the problem, but so are a few very large and powerful corporations who enable them.
Also I do not see too many OWSers (certainly there ARE a few) that try to blame small business or lump all business all together. Where did you get this information? Was it the main stream media or where?
Yes they are, but again it very few, and yelling "shame" is not going to make it stop. Kickbacks are illegal and the law needs to be enforced. That's where protesting the government plays its role.
When you see protesters with signs saying "End Capitalism" and such you get the impression. It's also because you have not named the corporations you are going after. It's an outside looking in thing.
yeah you have to dig deeper. Its certainly hard to spell out all the particular companies on a protest sign. I hope you understand that. It IS TRUE. that there are some protesters who want to end capitalism, but it's hardly all of them or a majority.
You cant say the republican or democratic party can agree on all points either. You put them in a room and they would argue over things the party wants too. One goal that most true OWSers agree on is "get the big money out of politics" so that big companies with lots of money are not more important than individual citizens votes. There may be a few other points we agree on (or disagree on) but it has to start with that one point or the others do not matter, because that is what is undermining the system as of now.
Agreed, but im not seeing any attempt at it (until now with the attack at goldman sachs).
But you have to look at it this way. Do you think these big CEO's are panicking because people are holding signs? No. But if the people eliminated their ability to pay off politicians and receive bailouts, then they will. And that can only be achieved by protesting the government.
Yes what you say is DEFINITELY part of the movement, but we are protesting both the government and the corporations who exert great control over government officials. Like I said you have to address both or you fail.
But you have to agree a strong majority is still on the business side rather than the government side. I waited years for people to come together and do something to fix the problems in this country, so bad that when this movement started I tried to believe that it could work. But the sad truth is the only way to get results would be to protest the people that are required to listen and act accordingly, and that is our government.
However there are two sides to every story. With all do respect, can you tell me any goals/objectives or things that protesting corporations could change? I just can't find any.
If you are more interested in the political side then you could do well to look into the occupy DC movement. There is not much federal governemnet in NYC and thats why the protests there are focused on business, but big business in NYc is a huge part of the problem, and that is why people ALSO protest in NYC.
I want adress your question about why we should protest business also with a longer answer, but here is the short answer. We protest the way the government has been run also, but where this affects the vast majority of americans is in the pocketbook. (example: the gov bails out wall street banks and they turn around and break records for profit AND numbers of foreclosures, refusing to pass along the bailout to those who need it.) People are not going to rally behind a movement agianst the government as much as they are against corporations, and the problem is both of them, so why not protest both. We are letting the corporatiosn know that we know they are behind the problem, and we are also gaining traction as a movement because many people do not feel the effects of government hypocrisy but if you look around almost everyone is feeling the effects of big business. Hope you undertsnad my rant
"People are not going to rally behind a movement agianst the government as much as they are against corporations"
But the people can't force the businesses to stop. The people have no say in corporations(unless they buy stock) BUT they do have say in the government.
So why not speak where you are heard?
also the corrupt government needs to know that we are aware of their relations with corporations and that we will threaten that relationship if they dont listen (they didn't listen when we just wrote letters to them.) Us protesting the corporations lets them know that they have to listen, whereas they didn't before, they could just resort to their usual trickery.
They know we are aware, even before the movement. I agree protest both, but you have to protest those specific corrupt businesses and send the message of support of the small and honest. And increase you government protest and involvement.
In short we are almost equally unheard in both places.
actually that is unfortunately been under fire for awhile. Our voices are drowned out by corporations who have much more money to give candidates than individual people.
Even our constitution is under attack. A new bill has been passed (not completely as it hasn't gotten past the president yet) that says that the military can arrest US citizens on US soil with no concrete reason, for an unlimited amount of time, and without due process.
The government officials listen to their constituents... their biggest ones... and I do not mean private citizens. Writing our congressmen has been done for years on end and we still managed to get into this corrupt mess, I hope you don't propose that we just go back to that.
Also I am sure you have seen it, the candidates say one thing to get elected, without the intention of even following through on it. The candidates lie through their teeth, and if you talk to them one on one they lie to you individually, and if the guy behind you has the opposite view, they also agree with them after you are out of earshot. I am not saying ALL of them are this way but it's pretty damn common. It just so happens that whatever hey say privately to corporations goes, because if it doesn't they fdon't get that corporate money support when they go for reelection. They can fool an individual voter because there is no consequence. So they tell to truth to their large constituents to get their money, and then use that money to lie to the individual voters to get their vote. Whoever has the most money usually wins.
Most politicians lie, cheat, take kick backs, do what their paid to do. This has been a trend for some time now. But the only way to fix the problem is through government. Yes protesting brings attention to it, but for the most part this is already known. If the majority of people speak TO government they will listen, they have to. Businesses on the other hand do not.
The problem has been the gov doesn't have TO listen, they only have TO PRETEND TO listen, And they only have to pretend long enough to get our vote. After they are in office they can leave you out in the cold, until they need your vote again. Hey if we met, I think we would agree on a lot of points,
to fight EITHER the government OR the corporations would be a failure. We must address both and how they are tied together, and I beleive that is the primary goal of this movement, if you can wade through all the bullshit on here (there are plenty of others with different agendas trying to coopt this movement and that leads to chaos, which we truly have on this forum.)
The corporations and the government are one and the same... you can't fight one without fighting the other
Yes you can...The percent of corrupt corporations is very slim. The majority are honest hard working people trying to make a living. You should be protesting Goldman Sachs and the few others, not group them together as a whole. Capitalism is not bad, businesses are not bad, it's just the few bad ones that give the others a bad rep.
Hey I agree with you... but the ones that are corrupt are VERY powerful. I agree we can leave mom and pos shop out of this, even some regional sized business and probably even some that are in the S&P 500, but many of the ones we protest are right there arcross the street from zucotti park.
Yes, but you need to call out those corporations and develop reasons. While I understand what you are saying, from an outside view it does not look that way.
yes I understand. Just be aware that the mainstream media are also owned (or at leasthave the same exact agenda) as the very corporations we protest. You cna watch the BBC and american news and see pretty clearly we are fed propoganda and also distracted by entertainment news that doses not matter. I hope you can piece it together ON YOUR OWN and conclude what is REALLY going on. Please dont use what the mainstream media says against us, and there are plenty of people trying to undermine this forum as of the last week too. I hope you dig deeper and try to figure out what we are really all about.
I don't watch the news. There are two sides to every story, and sometimes where you are in relevance to it changes your view.
You have your beliefs twords the movement and interpret the events in your way(nothing wrong with that). But when your on the outside looking in you see it a different way. Next time you go to a protest or watch video of a protest do this: Pretend you are not in support of the movement, and have no radical views on it. Focus on what the people are saying and expressing (not your interpretation) and you will see that sometimes the message isn't the same.
Like I said, I agree, not everyone is on the same page (and the governemnt certainly has planted people to cause confusion and dissent. I would know, I was in the army.)
But neither the republican or democratic party has the same unity that you might suggest either. People can hardly agree with their spouse who they supposedly love, how can you expect them to live up to the unrealistic expectation to be on the exact same page about every issue with thousands of other people (actually that would scare the hell out of me, as it sounds like a cult.)
I agree, people have separated themselves so far that we can no longer compromise (political parties). We all have our beliefs, but sometimes we need to put them aside and focus on an effective solution, even though we might not be 100% for it.
I know this might be hard to do (considering your user name lol) but you might actually have to go and justwalk around a protest and talk to some of the protesters to see what they are about. YES YOU WILL find some nutcases and some on the fringe, but if you talk to enough you will see that this is a good thing, and the main stream media is forced by the powers that be to portray us in as negative a light as possible (while trying to booost their ratings so you will see a few wins on ows side as long as it gets ratings for them.)
You may conclude that though we have some crackheads it is overall a good movement for a good reason. You might not exactly agree with the order or the way in which things are being done. Hell you might even conclude that it is a bad movement, and that is fine. You are entlitled to do that. But I would strongly recommend going to one, as an independent observer. I almost must say that this forum has been under attacks by those who want to divide or confuse, and conquer. I can no longer recommend it. You will find a little good here and there on the forum, but there has been a coordinated attack to undermine it.... bottom line. There is some good stuff here, but you have to wade through A LOT of shit. Go see the movement in person without someone behind a camera with an agenda showing you.
I have been to a few actually. And while I know this term is overused and beaten to death, I found a lot of protesters to have "communist" views. They all said capitalism is evil, said the rich should give all their money to the poor and middle class. Many were expecting hand-outs. I completely understand that this is not the case with all, but too many like this are apart of this movement.
You will find this surprising, but the movement is not all the OWS proclaim it is either. Propaganda is used on both sides. OWS has been using it with the police brutality. I don't know if it was just because it was a small crowd or what but the police were friendly, and a lot of protesters were trying to provoke police. Again I understand that not all are like this.
I'll say this, all you have to do is read pop music lyrics, and know that some individuals have a hatred for the police, and come in with their own personal agenda. It's unfortunate that we have some people like that, and that they capture the most attention, but the movement must go on. Either that or we settle with what the powerful give us... eventually nothing but slavery to them
Please look at the overall reason the protests exists and what the main theme is. If you need help on the main theme... it's 'take the corporate influence, greed, and corruption out of politics so that our individual voices count again, and it's not based on how much we earn.
Even Goldman Sachs drops billions on their people. These "occupy" people don't want to hear about that. They are just pissed because mommy and daddy told them they were special, and they are now finding out that's not the case. I'm 100% behind you.
Nice have you considered anger management! You are threatening to drive a tractor over a large group of people. Ah the internets, where all the truly crazy people come to release that anger, well I guess better here in the virtual world rather than in real life, I do hope you don't carry this anger issue into your daily life. I feel sorry for you, but that's probably just those silly liberal emotions creeping up again, yeah better I get real angry like you and commit mass murder with a tractor! What a sicko
A tractor was just logical thinking, I think they should nuke you fuckers!
What bullshit do you do for a living? If only I could see your lame ass in action. I bet your life is like a non-stop comedy show. I'd love to hear the last book you read, or your favorite concert you've ever been to. I bet you're good for a full day of belly laughs.
My life's more exciting than sleeping in a tent, looking like a hippie, and getting pepper sprayed and looking like an ass in front of the world...
Please tell us about your exciting life. Bullshit job? What's your favorite movie? And I'm still waiting to hear the title of the last book you read. Favorite band? Gimme something. I bet you are a really interesting fellow with lots of fascinating ideas.
lol endofgluttony, I agree but this might not be te best way to engage the enemy. I think we want to try to at least talk some sense into them. If they have a well thought out position and are against us I have no problem with that, but if they cannot back it up at all then they are a troll, in which case they are not even worth replying to.
You can't talk sense to a troglodyte like this, you haven't figured that out by now?
How come before OWS everybody was complaining about there were no jobs? Now OWS shows up and there are plenty of jobs now? You talk like a tough guy, but I don't see you standing up to the government with civil disobedience. You're just another troll that does not know what is going on.
If standing with a sign with some shitty as slogan is a job, then I guess your right...
I never said that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-3hZsXrxaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkRFCtl2MI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SQqjTxI3vc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/
http://blog.thezeitgeistmovement.com/
http://www.thevenusproject.com/