Forum Post: The Art of War
Posted 13 years ago on Sept. 29, 2011, 2:57 p.m. EST by mok
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I strongly suggest that the leaders in this movement read, study and apply the principles and tactics written by Sun Tzu over 2000 years ago. For example he talks about never attacking a walled city (don't waste resources) but finding the enemy's weak spots and attacking them.
In a Democracy, there is no meaning for words like War, attack etc. We shall defend but we will never attack. I know you meant war here as an analogy, but just want to convey my point.
Are you still disillusioned that we live in a Democracy? Common, get your head out of your ass. The police will arrest or kill us, and when we do nothing to stop them, we don't prove some transcendent principle which those in power will throw down their arms in acquiescence to; we just make it easier for them to arrest us
This movement is to bring true democracy. I'm not talking about the current system. Non violence, civil disobedience and Hunger strike is the only way to attain our demands. Didn't you see how peaceful the protests were in Spain and how much beating the protestors had to take from the police. It never turned violent.
If you still doubt: I present you the challenge of naming a single successful non-violent political revolution. Not the Indian revolution, which was wrought with tremendous violence, not to mention the violence of WWII and Britain's exploitation Not the Portuguese or Spanish revolutions Not the Russian revolution Not the Chinese revolution Not the American Revolution Not a single non-violent revolution has ever been successful unless it came about as a direct result of the shifting forces of production.
Ok. It will be called the Greatest non violent American Revolt of 2012.
Honestly, I don't know since I'm not a historian. You don't always look at history to decide what to do. Don't underestimate the power of non-violence and civil disobedience. Non violence is a moral rule. If you believe in non violence then you will never do anything violent, no matter if you had to give up your life for the cause. It's like if you are honest, you will never lie no matter the consequences.
It's true that there's no point in starting violence, but in the long run the police aren't going to let us win because their arms get tired of beating us. The state controls vast and varied forms of coercion which it uses to impose class divisions. If we refuse any possibility of violence, the last resort of the state will always be to send in the army to massacre everyone, like on Bloody Sunday or any other civil war that's ever happened.
Believe me my friend the day police start beating or assaulting 100 protestors on video and we don't retaliate, Millions of Americans will come onto streets, Obama and all the senators will come running to Liberty plaza in a helicopter. NYPD police chief will be behind bars. Even though ours is not a true democracy, it still is democracy where the government/police can't attack unprovoked on their own citizens.
Name a single time in history where this utopian dream has happened and I'll consider listening to your romantic nonsense
I will just add the Anti corruption movement in India this year.
the revolution in egypt this year. and the indian salt tax revolution, and the civil rights movement (the core of it), rodney king
I understand. I'm opposed to bloodshed of any kind.
Of course we need to study the arts of resistance and tactical "combat". The police will arrest or kill us, and when we do nothing to stop them, we don't prove some transcendent principle which those in power will throw down their arms in acquiescence to... we just make it easier for them to arrest us and end up wasting everyone's time
"26. Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose. "--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html
Thank you so much for posting the link.
sure, i'm the public servant at least until i get annoyed that we dont have sub forums or a wiki yet. sigh.
also talks about different kinds of grond and turf... very important to understand when your running circles around pigs.