Forum Post: The American Nazi Party...
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 8:31 p.m. EST by OccupyCapitolHill
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has declared full support for OWS, capitalizing on its hatred for what it describes as "Judeo-Capitalism" and how it "must be brought to an end".
This adds on to a list of dubious supporters of OWS, namely the American Communist Party, MoveOn.org, and officials in Iran and China. This information all compiles onto the notion that OWS is mainly represented by whites, and minorities are not as vocal or well-represented at these protests, further solidifying justifiable concerns that this is not just a protest against the way the economy works.
To those of you who are participating in these protests, how do you respond to this?
Hold up a sign next to the Nazi pointing at him (of course, it's a him) that says "We're not with stupid.
I'll not be distracted by this nonsense. That the Nazis or whoever want to co-opt the movement for their own specific agenda does not discredit the message itself, which is that financial institutions left to police themselves have proven themselves corrupt beyond measure. Even if statistically there is a large population of Jews in finance, that still has no bearing because our outrage doesn't spill over to condemn Jews as a whole; this is about some very specific individuals in very powerful positions who have abused their power. Ethnicity and religion are completely irrelevant.
And by the way, OccupyCapitolHill, I read your About Me, and have this to say to you:
Just yesterday, in fact, the Government Accountability Office released their findings after an audit of the Federal Reserve and found serious conflicts of interest surrounding high ranking officials of big name banks serving as Federal Reserve directors, influencing outcomes of bailout decisions and interest rates, favoring the very banks they were affiliated with.
"The GAO detailed instance after instance of top executives of corporations and financial institutions using their influence as Federal Reserve directors to financially benefit their firms, and, in at least one instance, themselves."
See for yourself: http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=BFA0CBEC-CCE1-4520-8899-122C8B719105
So please don't try to feed anyone that bullshit about not blaming Wall Street. Corporate greed has a whole LOT to do with the state of our economy. Yes, Capitol Hill is partly to blame, but to say "leave Wall Street alone" just makes you sound either foolish, or suspiciously like one of them.
So which are you?
Seems that you were VERY distracted by my "nonsense", enough so to type that wall of text I have no plans on reading myself.
And I am neither, considering I don't believe in your delusional views of the way our economy works. You can say it's Wall Street, but even the article you showed me places the CORE of the problem with the Federal Reserve and BANKS, not Wall St. Banks and Wall Street are two different things. Which you are against is unclear, suggesting your anger, like most of those engaged in OWS, is misdirected, ill-informed, and misguided.
Most people on Wall Street are middleclassmen making 5-figure salaries. That's a fact. Our lovely gentlemen on Capitol Hill vote to raise their own salaries and vacation and play the fiddle while they leave Rome to burn.
If you really think attacking middleclassmen and blaming them for the behavior of mega-banks and the Fed, then you must be out of your mind.
With all due respect, what are the odds that the American Communist Party and the American Nazi Party are not led by agents provocateurs? I bet half the members in either of those organizations are agents of the US Government; using these groups to find real Nazis and Commies.[Wink] If our security forces are not doing this, they damn well should start! lol I am considering joining the NYCGA and I reject both of these groups. The NYCGA should work closely with the FBI and the rest of HLA, so as to ensure that HLA deoesn't have to show up in Che Guevera Holloween outfits, pretending to be James Bond villains and what not; trying to uncover our Government cheese pyramid scheme, master plan or what have you! [grin]
"I bet half the members in either of those organizations are agents of the US Government"
Supporting details please. Otherwise, this would get an "F" from any English teacher/professor.
I merely speculate, for I am not in possession of the information I would need to come to a determination, one way or the other. In Russia, it is customary for the most vocal opponents of the Government to be agents of the Government and for these agents to seek out legitimate enemies of the State. The idea is that rather than hunt for your enemies, you attract them to you, by attracting them to a person or persons, pretending to be hostile to the State. This is a technique that was used by the Tzar, adopted by the Communists and picked up in other Nations, over the years.
I need not prove anything, while speculating. This is the nature of speculation. I do not hold out that what I suggest is true or not, merely that it is possible and frankly desirable. In any event, I help our Nation live free of Communist movements and Nazi movements, by spreading such a rumor of possible Government action. After all, if these evil men and women cannot trust that their perverted organizations are free from Government scrutiny, then these enemies of our way of life will find it hard to assemble, in such a way, as to act against us. If they ever seek to attack us, they will find it hard to organize, not knowing if they can trust one another and what not. My rumor does not cost tax payers a dime, yet it may inhibit the formation of hate groups.
OMG, look over your shoulder. If you don't believe the way I believe they must be a plant.
As i see Occupy Wall Street IS A SPECIFC demand. It's a demand for the politically aware and reasonably educated to be given control of the financial system.
Just cause neo-nazis agree with this doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it. Didn't Hitler give his people universal employment, highways that kind of stuff. Should we start digging up our roads because of that?
Occupy Wall Street makes a general complaint about what protesters perceive as "corporate greed" and the evils of capitalism. The individual solutions and sub-iterations of different solutions to that perceived problem vary from one end of the spectrum to the other within OWS.
And that's utter piffle. Firstly, highways were first developed under the Eisenhower administration, not Hitler. Secondly, highways are one thing. Anti-semitism, hate speech, and racism are on a whole different level. When such things are vocal at OWS and supported by the ANP, one can only ask why no attempts have been made to condemn such hate speech amidst the clear lack of diversity in the protests.
"Commentators who are not pathological liars know that fringe groups frequently try to align themselves with popular movements to draw attention to themselves. Perhaps someone should explain why the Tea Party is not racist in light of the fact that they were endorsed by white supremacist and KKK leader David Duke."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms9Wm1F9mtY&feature=youtu.be#t=9m03s
I just don't care
This post is so weak, I'm sure that we could make a list of unsightly supporters of the Dems, Republicans, or most any other mainstream group you choose. Besides, it's not like OWS went out and tried to get support from the Nazi party...what a dumb post!
Except the Republican and Democratic parties have specific agendas. They have relatively diverse constituencies. They are organized, legal bodies. OWS is mob rule, and because of it, the ideologies represented by the "general assembly" have resonated now with hate groups. And so what? Just because OWS hasn't done anything to TRY to get support from the ANP means they're innocent? The Anti-Defamation League has proposed a very fair solution, that OWS take active strides in condemning anti-semitism and hate speech at their rallies. That would get these fringe hate groups off your backs. But your indifference to the whole situation suggests that you really DON'Y have any quarrel with the ideas of these "unsightly supporters".
I certainly detest these unsightly supporters and wish they did not exist, and I hope that OWS can focus on the specific goal of prohibiting private spending in public campaigns and public finance reform. Money in politics is the root cause of all OWS grievances. Do you agree OccupyCapitolHill?, seems like you might as your name suggests.
The reason I hate Washington is because they have spent trillions of dollars on nothing. Tax money has funded the anti-capitalist bailouts, the failed stimulus package, will soon fund Obamacare if it isn't repealed, and has recently funded the Sinaloa DRUG CARTEL, the very narco-TERRORISTS we all thought we were fighting. Washington has done criminal things with trillions of dollars in taxpayer money, money that would have stimulated the economy and helped this country grow had it stayed in the hands of the people rather than a gang of thugs sitting in Congress and in the Oval Office. I don't believe billionaires and the "1%" buy out Washington or purchase corruption at a price. That corruption is there by the definition of the word "politician". They're corrupt by nature, not by profit motive. That's why I think DC has a boatload of explanations that we deserve to hear.
I think we have some common ground; a feeling that DC is operating in a way contrary to the will of the people. How do you think politicians decide to do that? It's structural, DC operates based on the directions 'suggested' to them from their campaign donors. After all, DC has not only wasted trillions in tax dollars, they've also wasted billions campaigning. The crux of the problem is that politicians must raise millions of dollars in order to run ads and a campaign. The primary donors are big businesses (though they do their best to hide it) and wealthy groups that do have a profit motive. I have a friend from college who almost literally sells democracy. He is a political fund raiser and works year round for US representatives arranging meetings, lunches and dinners with groups for a fee. Do you think people would pay a fee to have dinner with someone with out expecting something in return? I may not agree with all of your ideals and you may not with mine, but couldn't we both agree that the only way to change things toward the will of the people is to get the money out of politics? Let's have a democracy based on reason and good ideas, not behind the scenes profit motives. I'm really hoping that OWS can focus on this issue. Here are some links you may want to check out. www.getmoneyout.com https://docs.google.com/document/d/14MNou3pijCZ6WeRCinuOmwo75Ul20-fZrlraL7aCzUE/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1 www.lobbydemocracy.com
Crazy people show up at protests. That's a fact of life. Ask the Tea Party about the nuts that they have discrediting them.
Yes, but not at the level that OWS has. The vocalism of the crazy people is far more prevalent within OWS than the Tea Party. Part of the problem is that OWS has no leadership, chain-of-command structure and/or, for that matter, a definitive list of objectives. That hierarchal and ideological gap thus is filled by a potpourri goulash of opinions, some of which are moderate while some are fringe.
The clear leadership structure of the Tea Party is what sold them out to big government shills.
They oppose big government and how did they sell out when they've stuck to their guns the entire time, always championing the same thing from start to finish (not even the finish, as the protests are ongoing nationwide).
If the Tea Party had 10% of the number of "crazies" showing up at their protests, the media would have shut them down with exposés AGES ago. I've been to Tea Party protests as well, and I can say the vocalism of the fringe is starkly more prevalent with OWS. The nice thing about the Tea Party is that it has a clear leadership structure and a clear mission declared by its organizers. The lack of such prerogatives and directives inherent with OWS create this problem now where the vocalism of different groups with potentially conflicting objectives now attract the support of dubious outsider groups, support which may or may not be beneficial to the credit of the movement.
The only way to respond is to clearly state goals and affiliations, not just sit here yelling about every issue we can name.
Exactly, where are #OWS demands in writing? Nowhere. We are the demands is a bullshit slogan. Who really knows who is driving this train and what they stand for? Why doesn't the #OWS march on Washington DC, which is the seat of power? There is a lot to suspect and rightfully so.
The Nazis are deadly to OWS. They may support it now (after all, they're supporting a movement with no demands), but if given a chance, they would put 99% of OWS in gas chambers. They should be, to put it diplomatically, made not welcome.
Agreed. How should we tell them to leave? This is why articles are describing OWS as anti-Semitic, which does not represent the ENTIRE movement. There are some videos of OWS protesters ranting about "how Jews control the world and the banks" blah blah blah... it's really hurting the reputation of the movement. How do we stop it?
The GA should vote to condemn them and make them persona non grata. Then the security folks can do whatever is necessary.
I just Google "women of the IDF" and realize that no one in their right mind can hate those honey babes.
I think that was for Maxim magazine actually =P
Wait, wait. We have both the communists and the nazis on our side? How does that work?
OWS's hostility towards capitalism and the increased vocalism of anti-semitism within the movement resonate with the ACP and the ANP respectively.
With laughter.
Really? No wonder we're getting so much bad press.
Any movement that attracts Democrats and/or organized labor attracts the Nazis, Socialists, Commies, ect... I'm a Teamster and have noticed it at various places I've been as I'm sure others have as well.
They don't seem to bother with conservatives for some reason, not even the Klan.
I personally, will completely stop supporting OWS if it becomes in any way associated with the Nazis.
Don't forget Pete Seeger, who supported both Hitler and Stalin
Majority are White, it can't be hid so why try?
I didn't ask how to hide it, I want an explanation from anyone willing to give one as to the lack of racial diversity in the protest.
How about it makes no difference to the welfare class. Or its Whities problem/fault. How about they just don't care. This country has a large racial divide and a large gap between intelligence. Maybe some folks are just not smart enough to realize the shit we are in.
So you basically just generalized minorities as brainless degenerates with no awareness of politics or social issues...
...that's nice...
LOL
How about you enlighten me as to why you think the minorities are not joining in and don't use one of my reasons.
You don't seem to have an answer or try to discredit the answers given, which leaves me to the conclusion you have not got the slightest idea.
You keep skirting the question of why they aren't involved. I'm not affiliated with OWS beyond the debates I have on these forums, so you (assuming you are a protester) should be able to explain the demographics of the protest better than I.
My theory is I think many minorities are beginning to realize that the ideas of welfare and entitlement are indeed the "new plantation", and they feel that these institutions remain and indirectly discredit them and their ability to forge better lives for themselves. And seeing the spirit of entitlement at OWS, they that believe in the truth of their equal ability in comparison with their fellow man want no part of it.
But again, that is only my theory, one which I threw out at my liberty. You have yet to answer my question without throwing out false racist assumptions that there's an intelligence gap between whites and blacks. There are intelligent whites and intelligent blacks, there are idiotic whites and idiotic blacks. Race and intelligence have no bearing on each other to anyone with a grasp on reality and those who understand that all men are created equal, and thus have equal potential.
Dont forget the American Comunist Party and Moveon.org
I'll edit that in, thanks for pointing that out.
Blah-Blah-Blah
You can try to sweep it under the rug, but the fact remains that OWS's general opinions resonate with the ideas of some of the most vile racists (Nazis) and disliked human beings on Earth (Iranian officials). That raises many valid questions.
Yep. Amongst others.
OCH, I do believe I mis-understood your post. I say, Blah-Blah-Blah to those "hate" individuals that post their hateful rhetoric on this forum, and bring their disgusting posters to OWS rallies. These hate groups have one purpose, and that is to discredited the movement. I wouldn't doubt it if some of the individuals posting BS here are paid by those that want to see OWS fail. They cannot be taken seriously, so Blah-Blah-Blah is a good way to make their comments irrelevant.
Well, the way in which the Tea Party was accused of racism is very similar, except the racism in OWS is far more vocal. Sure you can have several or maybe even a dozen planted saboteurs in the mix paid to say something outrageous or hateful. But to the point at which it's grown in OWS is obviously concerning.
If Hitler had won WWII (and he would have if the United States & Britain had Allied with Germany against the USSR), we'd have a better, more just world today.
Jews would be living in Madagascar* (perhaps) and would be carefully monitored
this is one place Hitler considered as a Jewish homeland
But of course, FDR and Churchill were puppets of International Jewry.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t840450/
Fuck you, you piece of shit. No one wants your support. Your the scum of the earth! if i could i would take dip you like a candle into sulfuric acid and watch your skin disappear, then take your skinless carcass and dip it into a tub of rubbing alcohol.
and just to let you know i am not jewish
no you are Polish. And you shouldn't become your enemy.