Forum Post: the abortive revolt
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 1:56 a.m. EST by LaoFei
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a wise man said that before we knock down walls, we must have blueprints, materials, and the human power to rebuild. if we dont have these than the whole house (society) will collapse. all abortive revolts of the past have failed to achieve long term success.
i support the 99% percent, and i loathe the 1%. but they are just the lucky ones in an extraordinarily corrupt and flawed system. they are the easy targets, we need to address the fact that we live in a republic and not a democracy. we need to address the fact that our system has spawned a secretariat class, with dynastically elected politicians. we need to address the class and racial segregation occurring in our hometowns. we need to address the archaic documents, written by slave owners with a good idea from long ago, that govern our land. we need to address our foreign policy. we need much more than to just attack the 1%.
the 1% are but the tail of the snake we hope to decapitate.
i am an american living abroad for the last 3 years. i have been watching with pride and, for the first time since i left, a desire to return home.
This is a well thought-out post, but I disagree regarding the issue of wealth dispairity. The 1% (and I'm not talking about people with incomes of over such and such an amount - that whole train of thought is just engineered to be divissive) ARE the threat to democracy and survival. They are not all, of course, evil; and some of them are trapped in a system that they don't like either. That is the rub - systems take on a life of their own, and somehow go on even when they have long stopped meeting anybodies needs. Do the 1% really want a world destroyed for their own short term profit? I don't think so, and yet the system is structured so that that is what they get, like it or not. They, individually, can't change it even if they want to. Such a system must be brought under control. A lot of them know it to, I'm sure, and if they weren't gripped by fear of the unknown, like the rest of us, they would probably want to change it too. The world is a cage, built by the inmates. The question is, can we all recognise the need for change without becoming polarized, turing it once again into this idiotic us Vs. them thing that has dogged humanity since time immemorial. The question is whether we can change ourselves, not whether we can change "them."
i agree with you. the vilification of the 1% is not completely deserved. some are just normal folks, trying to make a good life, but some are obviously wolves. and the whole "with us or against us" is a load of bs. and i agree that "we" need some fundamental changes, but so does the system and so do the wolves in that 1%.
Yes, for their own good and ours, they can no longer be allowed to misrule.
decapitate (France anyone?)
Recipe for Peaceful Revolution: Create new nominees, raise candidates, identify issues, raise solutions, hold elections on a transparent open source code system >>>>> Maintain a modest protest presence everywhere or none. We all come out strong in mass this coming July 4 weekend. Watch the other group peacefully acknowledge they are , that it is, over...and start handing keys over on Monday July 4 2011 to a responsibly elected replacement Government. Or next year, or when the responsibly formed replacement is developed...with a developed business plan for the nation and any other group being replaced.....not before.
Recipe for Violent Revolution set off by Foreign Agent of European Bankers
Create a group of radical billboard artists in a secretive conspiratorial tone. Use publications as rally point and financial support mechanism as is SOP. Demand the utmost dedication from volunteers. Teach suspicion of strangers and use harsh discipline. Forced to leave the Group becomes the ultimate discipline. The mission is to Counter if the people look ready to do something when we put the big squeeze on America. We do not want them to vote on an honest system. The Vote must always be rigged. You are our backup plan. You will be the Culture Jammmer if we are threatened by real change. Claim one thing, deliver the other. Confuse popular organization efforts at all costs is your service to us. You will be our modern Trotsky and our Lenin - our revived blending of light and darkness. On orders cue and before other groups with voting intentions and systems rise up, Launch a preemptive protest after maintaining development over years and forming cell networks globally, keep it leaderless when launched on the street, use fuzzy demands and open agenda on things that are obvious issues to ignite the public tempers, when it gains momentum as it will, agent originators exit... and claim no control further in public media and suggest this is peoples uprising....just like we did in Russia, but with a new twist becuase of the internet. In Russia we had the EU Bankers give Lenin funds, and our New York friends bankrolled Trotsky and paid for protesters, in America offer food and homless will come to augment numbers. Ask for donations in America and use their money for our purpose. Make sure to allow some to be stolen as this will set strife and diminish internal organization efforts. Always mainatin element of suspicion of others in the protesters, this will create clicks and we like that...we lost ability to keep them inside borders..but we can make them Snobs so they fence themselves in and others out. Frustration will develop with no clear goal due too not having a voting system, suplant a primal oral voting system as substitute to obstruct a real one from developing as we intend to send them back to the stone age again, co-opt the term Direct Democracy as it theatens us most - unless a real voting system emerges under that banner claim the term, everyone has cell phones and laptops but you must specifically keep them from using technology to vote--or you will lose control, keep it as chatter aimless or at least no clear goals, oral and rolling spins the mind. Eventually people will start getting hurt in confrontation in time and we want and expect that, Claim Peaceful, set conditions for Violence. With no responsibly elected people to replace or organize on ground..... demand consensus as this will sound good and slow collective decision making. Leaving the group is seen as the greatest punishment for those who will not agree readily, so make it a rule. After 28 days sleep deprivation sets in.....instructions coming as shouted chants will have their desired effect of conditioning ground assets..anyone can now confuse attempts at leadership easily....and tip things from getting oraganized... good men and women may try to take a lead but nothing is official ever to support their actions.. no voting system for the masses - it is a simple plan...Chaos from the start....maintained....Fashionable now to be Leaderless is the meme...new magazine editions sell big...elicit violence and activate cells in playful subliminal messaging combined innocently together....an event we have waiting occurs...an anticiapated reaction occurs... long held plans UNfold... a conveniently irresponsible plan gets out of hand naturally....with plausible denial built in from the start. Claim peace and deliver Chaos. The Blending of Light and Darkness. A major Crisis develops, the UN-Elected Interim Government takes over under Military Rule on your success, or failure of government change forcing Martial Law. Either way, with no voting system other than the existing rigged one the people get an UNelected Government Consume and waste the personal energy and resources........ do not let the people Vote Online Openly In Russia they wanted telephones, and we stopped the people that way then from their Mutual Aid efforts. This time, we allow communications and keep them to chat and tweet snippets. If anyone asks you why after years with all the web developers and money around you...why did you not build an online open source voting system..... ....ignore the question or claim to be a simple publisher and ecologist as cover. Keep them occupied with Twitter instead.
i do like the notion of using technology to vote. just worried how people might pervert such an achievement....
Recipe for Peaceful Revolution: Create new nominees, raise candidates, identify issues, raise solutions, hold elections on a transparent open source code system >>>>> Maintain a modest protest presence everywhere or none. We all come out strong in mass this coming July 4 weekend. Watch the other group peacefully acknowledge they are , that it is, over...and start handing keys over on Monday July 4 2011 to a responsibly elected replacement Government. Or next year, or when the responsibly formed replacement is developed...not before.
how viable is it to achieve this by july 4th? is an open source code system in the works? .... edit, sorry just thought to check your website, reading up on it now .....
built ready in Drupal, same as used by whitehouse.gov
www.uponlocal.com
we were waiting, we knew of these rats in 87, their riot plan went out with the adbusters magazine..secretly word of mouth in 91.....I heard it then
propose an issue or nominate a candidate, it is ready to go, has a fulll mobile verison to take over OWS on the ground with cell phones
http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/node/add/issue http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/node/add/solutions http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/node/add/candidate
hmmm, a little confused. when you say" their riot plan went out with the adbusters magazine" do you mean adbusters is in cahoots with the rats, or that adbusters exposed the rats?
adbusters started OWS.....do the research
a guy on wall street gave him money, the mag editor, a month before it started...that is in the news...soooo
adbusters started OWS.....do the research
a guy on wall street gave him money, the mag editor, a month before it started...that is in the news...soooo
i have been living in a farming village in southwest china for the last three years. i spend as little time on the internet as possible...... and even less time researching fanatical literature.
i am well aware adbusters started OWS, i only read one adbusters some years ago and knew it was too hipsterish for me. i just wanted to clarify that you meant adbusters is in cahoots with the rats.
I knew people and heard of it, and that they hated Americans and just started asking why
The Bankers hate China...but China is wise to them, agree
Don't act on your desire. It is foolish to quit a near tax free job. You can stay tuned to support OWS this winter, lots of Gore-Tex.
Neh... stay where you're at. You belong there.
whys that? not sure you know where i am.....
Because your attitude is decidedly un-American.
thats a pretty un-american thing to say...
(the attitude of any american is an american attitude)
Nope, I just ain't buying it.
it doesnt matter what you buy. i still love you : )
Oh yea? So what are you selling?
too busy buying ipods and chai lattes...... besides, this has become a little bigger than being "american". if you havent noticed its become a global movement of sorts .....
Cool.
Occupy Wall Street: Come for the free grub. Stay for the pepper spray.
how common is the pepper spray over there?