Forum Post: The #1 reason why this was started: egtrra/jgtrra
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 23, 2011, 10:58 a.m. EST by MitchK
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There is 1 and only 1 basic point this protest or movement was started over. The issue is in the title of my post. Now the 2nd point brought out is really just a runoff from this basic 1 issue above. Those are the only 2 issues this whole movement was going after ORIGINALLY.Now everything is popping up,stuff that has nothing to do with what the creaters started this for,such as Student loans (stop whinning pay your bills),No jobs ( I know there are hundreds if people want to work for what is offered them not what their ego,pride and greed feel they deserve and or want NOT NEED),as three people down in Zucotti park told me the unemployment should be extended( they had the nerve to say the 99% means that govt only gave 99 weeks of federal ext on unemployment,no lie this is what I was told by protesters). Back to why I am posting. As I said above is the #1 reason this was started. Being you are a protester or a "mover" of the movement than you should be able to explain this issue,in laymen terms for the 99% to understand,infact even for the 1% to understand,you are the VOICES of the movement.Break it down,the pros/cons,the fair way to change it to benefit EVERYONE not just the 99% or the 1% but the 100% as a whole and remember not just have to change it fairly have it make sense for the people to understand and moneterialy for the country as a whole you also have to make it withstand a substantial period of time so as in 5 years we do not say oooops that was a mistake,blame,,,hmmmm whoever we feel just NOT US. So how many of you are going to explain/breakdown/change/rectify it, the #1 issue,my title above?
Why don't you just say, "the Bush tax cuts", so that all of these people don't have to go and look up "egtrra"?
Well tech people should know what they are "talking" about if you know bush tax cuts or actually LOOKED into it , read it,weighed the goods and bad of it (ITS NOT ALL BAD) you would KNOW what egtrra/jgtrra means it goes to show how 90% of the voicers DO NOT KNWO WHATTHEY ARE VOICEING just following what others say. LIKE puppets
You say egtrra/jgtrra instead of "the Bush tax cuts" because you don't want "puppets" to understand what you're saying?
no becaue I wan PEOPLE to actually look at bush tax cuts and if you say bush tax cuts thats what they will repeat the words not the "issue" people should know what they are protesting not just words but the actions behind those words. Teory is if I use the abbreviations some people MIGHT actually take the time to look uo what it means (like you did) and than maybe even read what ith means. Thast all not to be pupets they already are by just repeating things and not investigating and understanding them.
Now that I know to what you refer, I agree that the inequality in the tax burden is at the heart of the nation's problems, since it stacks the deck so clearly against the people and for corporations. However, not everyone recognize the root of a problem when the problem itself is overwhelming, so we hear many statements among the OWS folks about the ills that resulted from this core problem. And, of course, some folks are very smart and informed and some are not; this is what democracy looks like.
Thank you Phanya you are the only one that knows ANYTHING any point of it...See the problem I have is that this movement was started to change egtrra/jgtrra,not really the extensions and addtitions that Obama made/allowed...the whole reason this movement was started is to do away with it...my problem is that 99% of the people who are the "voice" out there on the street,the "movers" of the movement the "pro" of the protesters have no clue about this. Now I think before you fight for or against something especially when it effects more then just you, you SHOULD know what you are debating/fighting for. And thats why I challenge any of them to do what my post says...not just read something and paste it ( and that is not a reference to you,sorry if it sounds like that) but to explain and talk from their mind and heart on the issues I mentioned and if they can not explain it than ATLEAST know SOMETHING ABOUT IT/THEM.. Again thank you for ATLEAST taking the opportunity to look into it.
I've been paying pretty close attention to this site and this movement since the beginning and you are the first person who I can recall who says that the purpose of the movement is to repeal the Bush tax cuts.
are you kidding...the whole issue is about how the govt allows the "1%" not to pay their share of taxes(due to loopholes and breaks) because they are "corrupting" and "bribing" the govt so their for the coporate criminals are corrupting our govt and it needs to be stopped. So therefore "govt is corrupt" and "wall street/corporations controls and bribes the govt" it has nothing to do with student loans,homelessness,jobs,fur,capitolism,etc....it has to do with us VOTING IN PEOPLE WHO we do not like now what they did than and how our new people do not change it either,obviously because they are "corrupt" also.
Okay and so all of that leads to repealing the Bush tax cuts because ... ?
I understand your frustration. That is the nature of movements, though; you cannot anticipate who will join and add their influence, where it will go or how it will get there. Perhaps you can assemble people who have the same goal as you do and a way can be worked out to accomplish it. There are probably groups with that goal already in existence. Movements within a Movement, so to speak (MiniMovement?). Changing laws pretty much requires changing Congress, which is very doable in 2012 with so many seats up for election. I am trying to think of a way to create a map of political influence for OWS followers: we want thinking, rational candidates of either party (only way to work it at the moment, I think) who are not ideologues. There's a great map to work with on Wikipedia of the open seats and the districts/states they represent.
What is "egtrra/jgtrra"?
infact I re-posted this so I can get some answers or help
Phanya...I am trying to figure it out as well. I Know it has something to do with this action and protest,I remember seeing this somewhere once before involving government and someone involved with the OWS movement actually used this,its some abbreviation,hopefully I will get it,its making me mad because I know what it is.
Found it: The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 (Tax Relief Act of 2010), P.L. 111-312, which Congress passed on December 16 and President Barack Obama signed into law the next day, extended the ordinary income tax rates introduced in the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act (EGTRRA), P.L. 107-16, in 2001 and the capital gain tax rates introduced by the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 (JGTRRA), P.L. 108-27, in 2003, reduced the estate tax, and extended a large number of expired or expiring provisions. The legislation incorporated the elements of the deal struck by congressional and Obama administration negotiators on December 6 but also included many other provisions in addition to those that were reported to be part of the original deal.
You know something mitchk...I must agree with you...I "think" I know what this is about,getting everyone on a fair even level with taxes...but the title of your post,I heard this used somewhere on news or a politician,something to do with this actually but I can not figure out what it means or represents. I will re-post this and see if I can get an answer on what its about or you can private message me and give me some hint so I do not look foolish as other do.
Go after Congress. Stop Crony Capitalism. Congress needs to be bound by the same rules as corporations.
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