Forum Post: Tax the rich? Taxes are usually how they got rich
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 18, 2011, 2 a.m. EST by darrenlobo
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Tax the rich? Taxes are usually how they got rich -- or did you forget this is all about how they own the government in the first place? Abolish the state. It's the only way.
If you clowns are done with your childish attempts at insult maybe, if you can put a simple thought together, you could try explaining your position in a civil way. Alternatively, you can keep on being good lefties advocating the things that empower the 1%. You must love playing the role of useful idiots.
"...debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few." -- James madison
Taxes pay for monopoly privilege
http://www.mutualist.org/id4.html
It's not the governments place to take care of you! If you wanted to get paid like a doctor, you should have gone to school, meanwhile working hard at McDonald's, and when you get your degree, work on paying your loan off no matter how long it takes to pay it, because it's YOUR loan. You do what you have to do. You work 3 jobs if that's the cards you have been delt. That's life! Quit trying to steal everyone else's hard-earned dollar and get up and work for it yoruself! It was your choice to have children, knowing you cannot support them(or you would have been smarter about birth control or abstinence), and it is also YOUR choice to save for retirement. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? We make our own choices and it's no one's responsibility to bail you out but your own. What we need is the federal government to butt out! The reason businesses end up overseas is because they are over taxed. They would be out of business if they stayed here in America. Lower taxes so they can come back and employ people. 47% of people do not pay taxes! How socially equal is that?
Taxes pay for the War on Drugs
http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock
Taxes pay for war
http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-to-steal-like-wall-street-2011-11-18?link=MW_story_investinginsight
Tax Day
by Murray N. Rothbard
This unsigned editorial, written by Murray N. Rothbard, appeared in the April 15, 1969, issue of The Libertarian (soon to become The Libertarian Forum).
April 15, that dread Income Tax day, is around again, and gives us a chance to ruminate on the nature of taxes and of the government itself.
The first great lesson to learn about taxation is that taxation is simply robbery. No more and no less. For what is "robbery"? Robbery is the taking of a man’s property by the use of violence or the threat thereof, and therefore without the victim’s consent. And yet what else is taxation?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard24.html
But I thought that SOME of the rich didn't pay taxes? More like NEGATIVE taxes:
(excerpted from an earlier post titled 'Forum Post: Another Sign Of Greed Whenever These Companies Get Bailouts They Lay Off 3000 People The Next Day')
Yep, and many of them pay either '0' taxes or 'negative 0' Don't believe me? check the following out, you will find many of the same names posted at this link among the list of tax dodgers from ctj.org
http://deadpeasantinsurance.com/which-employers-bought-policies-on-the-lives-of-employees/
http://www.ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers/CorporateTaxDodgersReport.pdf
30 Corporations Paying No Total Income Tax in 2008-2010
Company ($-millions) 08-10 Profit 08-10 Tax 08-10 Rate
Pepco Holdings $ 882 $ –508 –57.6%
General Electric 10,460 –4,737 –45.3%
Paccar 365 –112 –30.5%
PG&E Corp. 4,855 –1,027 –21.2%
Computer Sciences 1,666 –305 –18.3%
NiSource 1,385 –227 –16.4%
CenterPoint Energy 1,931 –284 –14.7%
Tenet Healthcare 415 –48 –11.6%
Atmos Energy 897 –104 –11.6%
Integrys Energy Group 818 –92 –11.3%
American Electric Power 5,899 –545 –9.2%
Con-way 286 –26 –9.1%
Ryder System 627 –46 –7.3%
Baxter International 926 –66 –7.1%
Wisconsin Energy 1,725 –85 –4.9%
Duke Energy 5,475 –216 –3.9%
DuPont 2,124 –72 –3.4%
Consolidated Edison 4,263 –127 –3.0%
Verizon Communications 32,518 –951 –2.9%
Interpublic Group 571 –15 –2.6%
CMS Energy 1,292 –29 –2.2%
NextEra Energy 6,403 –139 –2.2%
Navistar International 896 –18 –2.0%
Boeing 9,735 –178 –1.8%
Wells Fargo 49,370 –681 –1.4%
El Paso 4,105 –41 –1.0%
Mattel 1,020 –9 –0.9%
Honeywell International 4,903 –34 –0.7%
DTE Energy 2,551 –17 –0.7%
Corning 1,977 –4 –0.2%
TOTAL $ 160,341 $ –10,742 –6.7%
http://www.ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers/CorporateTaxDodgersReport.pdf
http://ctj.org/ctjinthenews/2011/11/new_york_times_biggest_public_firms_paid_little_us_tax_study_says.php
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[-]eyeofthetiger1 points 7 minutes ago
what's wrong with this picture?
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[-]economicallydiscardedcitizen1 points 5 minutes ago
Anyone working for these companies might actually be worth more dead than alive and within corporate life they are disposable like so much toilet paper! /:(
Corporations are not people. Corporations are legal fictions. The people who own those companies and the people who work in those corpoations pay taxes. If those customers did pay taxes,they would pass the cost on to their customers.
Of course,the military contractors on that list (GE, Boeing) recieve revenue from the government, i.e., taxes. And all of those companies enjoy monopolistic privileges from the government, which are funded by taxes.
And the extent to which the rich are better able to avoid paying taxes than the rest of us is a case against the tax code, not a case for raising their taxes. Raising taxes on the rich is like a "no accountant left behind" policy
Right. I have a corporations manual from http://laughlinusa.com/index.asp purchased over 10 years ago when I worked with a broker and he set it up. Not much has changed in that manual and corporations remain legal fictions.
Forum Post: The Bush Tax Cuts Gave Your Social Security Money to the Wealthy
Posted Nov. 4, 2011, 10:51 p.m. EST (1 hour ago) by AmericanCuChulainn This content is user submitted and not an official statement
Here's something that most people don't realize:
The ONLY reason Social Security is having any problems is that politicians from both parties looted this huge pool of surplus money to pay for other problems.
Every time they did so, they put an IOU into the system, saying that this money, which was--by law-- intended to pay Social Security recipients, would one day be paid back.
Well. At the end of the Clinton Administration, that money was there. Had that money gone t
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-bush-tax-cuts-gave-your-social-security-money-/
You are most likely the most confused and misguided poster of the evening.
It was a computer glitch. Somehow the last four letters of his user name got cut off: t-o-m-y.
Lol! Nice.