Forum Post: Tax the rich at 91% after the first $2,000,000 - it used to be that way
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 9:02 p.m. EST by FollowTheMoney
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Follow The Money - Top 3% have all the Wealth
Tax the rich sounds like a token equality. We need real change, not a whip cream w. cherry on top of a load of shit.
hear ye hear ye! Let's get real. (this is not a sarcastic comment, I agree with luzjim) Taxing the rich does ABSOLUTELY nothing to resolve the issues. First you need to understand what is wrong "FollowTheMoney." It is a corrupt system and our tax authorities and beneficiaries are deep in.
If we have a truly participatory democracy, 90% is probably what the rich will have to pay, since majority of middle class and poor would vote so. Our current politicians don't do that now, since they think they know what's right compared to the common man. The rich would like Oligarchy, but they would take the current system where they can buy all the dumb politicians.
I hear you on the 91% however - back then, there were all kinds of loopholes and the wealthy took full advantage of them, effectively no one paid anything NEAR 91%. The tax code was "simplified" to eliminate loopholes and the rates were lowered in the 60s. But now they've become too low.
I BELIEVE THE NUMBER ONE GOAL OF THIS PROTEST SHOULD BE TO INSTATE MAXIMUM WAGE FOR ALL PEOPLE IN THE U.S.
think of all the good this could do, the politicians can only make so much money, can only take so many bribes then they start to work for the people because there's no incentive to only think of the rich
there's also the economic impact the top 3% can only make so much, that means the rest has to go to more jobs higher salaries better healthcare cheaper products to compete overseas
they wouldn't mind spending more money on environmentally conscience ways of doing things
what it breaks down to is more money in the peoples hands=a better world for everyone
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
i have an inner radical and an inner moderate. my inner moderate says getting whack on them because they got whack on us just sets the stage for tit for tat. My inner radical says sure, tax the rich. over all i'd like to see us go one step at a time through science centered problem solving process. chant slogans and quick brainstormed up pop ideas seldom make good laws or meaningful change. I don't want to continue the caste war and win/ lose with the poor getting even with the rich. i want the caste wars to END period. While i agree in principle and in sentiment and am not per sey opposed to this idea, i would much rather see us WORK the problems with SCIENCE and LOGIC first. reply permalink edit delete
I'm okay with that. But let's get some pro-democracy reforms in place and then the populace can better affect tax policy.
i agree, lets get complicated and deep... not too simple ...
So you don't agree? If you don't then just say what you mean, no need to be snarky. You think we should go for a high marginal tax in the demands? If so just say that.
i have an inner radical and an inner moderate. my inner moderate says getting whack on them because they got whack on us just sets the stage for tit for tat. My inner radical says sure, tax the rich. over all i'd like to see us go one step at a time through science centered problem solving process. chant slogans and quick brainstormed up pop ideas seldom make good laws or meaningful change. I don't want to continue the caste war and win/ lose with the poor getting even with the rich. i want the caste wars to END period. While i agree in principle and in sentiment and am not per sey opposed to this idea, i would much rather see us WORK the problems with SCIENCE and LOGIC first.
So you do agree then? Science and logic can't win over in the current environment where science is neglected for corporate propaganda. Only by having an open, money-free debate can science and logic have a chance.
yes. that i agree with...
k good
Are you familiar with Executive order 11110? You realize JFK was shot for opposing the "Federal" Reserve?
or.. just stop taxes period... but yeah... hmmm..
sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.
the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.
"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"
nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."
"Why aren't u in office???"
aspergers syndrome. you want to run,? i can ghost write your platform? :)
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"Understood we need more ideas then politicians anyway. The fixes are so simple but so difficult to get implemented."
↧ gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
i'm running for chief of staff. bit early to announce yet since i have no clue whos running on my ticket for president?
http://forums.keller2012.com/index.php i created this forum org structure. but scott keller turned out to be an idiot.
your still missing the point. your playing with math. your right. its something more like the 99.99 percent. There are 4000 or 100,000 persons depending on wether we are talking the inner or outer circle of oligarchs keeping the rest of us trapped in a "capitalism" Hotel California con scam. While you can climb upward from the bottom there are increasingly more powerful glass cielings. And on fact one of the effects of the recent bush era caste war changes is that the people who imagined themselves to be in the inside are amongst those that are losing it all. The real question is not how YOU define it. The real question is; as a system org structure, how does it operate? Thats 100 thousand peeps keeping 3 million peeps as cattle.
i can't figure out if i agree with you or not. interesting articulation, and i'm definitely feeling most of it, though i'm unsure of the means you're proposing. voluntarism? maybe?
also, totally random: how come we call it the "federal" reserve? and who the fuck trusts an unaudited and unaccountable collusion of bankers? pft.
its called the federal reserve because its a lie. its not federal, but they want us to think it is. Its a private corporation naming itself a federal entity- the fourth branch of government ... which has taken over and is the secret government which rules the legal government.
it was a hypothetical, lol, i knew the answer - but thanks for answering it for everyone else.
end the fed!