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Forum Post: Stop Complaining

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 12, 2011, 6:26 p.m. EST by LessThanSix (2)
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What is everyone complaining about? It's our own fault. We all did this to ourselves. We are never going to start affecting real change in this county as long as we keep electing millionaires to office. If we really want people in Washington who represent the "middle class" then we need to start electing "middle class" candidates.

What possible incentive do millionaire government officials have to look out for the rest of us? NONE!

As soon as the American public gets clued in to that fact, the sooner the politicians will know their days are numbered.

If Occupy Wall Street needs a message to focus on, it should be that! Get rid of all incumbant officials and elect new representatives that make less than six figures a year. Then we will finally have OUR voice in government.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

stop blaming the victims.


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http://www.istockanalyst.com/finance/story/5390832/some-fascinating-stats-about-our-corporate-oligarchy

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/category/21st-century-challenges/ethicsandeconomics/

According to a 2008 article by David Rothkopf, the world’s 1,100 richest people have almost twice the assets of the poorest 2.5 billion (Rothkopf, 2008). Aside from the obvious problem – that this global elite has their hands in everything from politics to financial institutions – …

http://theprogressiveplaybook.com/2011/09/occupywallstreet-an-american-tahrir/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ght22PnCXy0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/wisconsin-is-ground-zero_b_825321.html

http://last-lost-empire.com/blog/?tag=global-corporate-oligarchy

To the extent that we, the people, are removed from control over our lands, marketplaces, central banks, and media we are no longer empowered. In practice, those few who do control the land, central bank, media and "free market" are the real rulers of our corrupt and declining "democracy."

Due to propaganda from a corporate-owned and edited media we are kept from knowing, much less debating, the nature of our system. Due to a central bank owned by bankers, media owned by a few global concerns, and trade regime controlled by global corporations (i.e., one designed to remove the people from control over their markets and environments) the vast majority have become little more than latter-day serfs and neo-slaves upon a corporate latifundia.

To restore a semblance of effective democracy and true freedom Americans, and people around the world, need to re-educate themselves as to the true nature of their political and economic systems. Toward this end, OligarchyUSA.com is dedicated to providing old and new information, books, links, reform ideas and debates not easily found or accessed today in establishment media.

OligarchyUSA.com is but one more site and sign of the times as ground-up counter-revolutions arise around the world... all in response to a forced and freedomless globalization of a ruling global elite perfecting their top-down plutocracy and revolutions of the rich against the poor. In short, democracy is no longer effective today. For this reason, it is toward a restoration of truly effective and representative democracies, and natural freedom, that this site is dedicated.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/organizational-map-2/

[-] 1 points by ComplexMissy (291) 13 years ago

I feel that a lot of people supporting this cause do not understand the root issues and causative factors. Please watch this video as I believe it lays out the real crux of the problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNRVRbpJMP0

When we can truly understand the problems and how they originated then we can beging to affect real change.

[-] 1 points by RastafariAmerican (141) from Yonkers, NY 13 years ago

This isn't an attack on the rich. There is nothing wrong with being rich. There is a problem with being rich and stealing from the poor. There is a problem with few people controlling the wealth, and to that end there is a problem when those who control the wealth are not helping their country and society progress.

David Walker, former US Comptroller General and chief of the GAO, warned before the 2004 election that if large economic changes were not made, by 2009 the United States and its taxpayers would not be able to afford the interest payments on the national debt. A study authorized by the US Treasury in 2001 found that in order to keep servicing the debt at its current rate of growth, by 2013 income taxes would need to be raised to 65%. If the United States cannot afford to pay the interest on its debts, that would be the final stage of economic collapse and hence result in a total textbook bankruptcy. The systematic crisis would in turn spread to the rest of the world.

How did this happen? Why is the US national debt $14,819,350,000+? Of the 203 countries in the world today, only four (!) do not owe others money. The collective external debt of all the governments in the world is now above 40 trillion dollars and this number doesn’t include the massive about of household debt in each country.

The whole world is basically bankrupt. But how? How can the world as a whole owe money to itself? Obviously, it’s all nonsense. There is no such thing as ‘money’. There are only planetary resources, human labor and human ingenuity. The monetary system regulated by Federal Reserve is nothing more than a game… and an outdated and dysfunctional one at that. Those in positions of social power alter the rules of the game, at will. The nature of those rules is guided by the same competitive, distorted mentalities that are used in everyday “monetary” life, only this time the game is rigged at its root to favor those who run the show. For example, if you have 1 million dollars and put it into a CD at 5% interest, you are going to generate $50,000 a year simply for that deposit. You are making money off of money itself… paper being made from other paper … nothing more - no invention - no contribution to society – no nothing. That being denoted, if you are a lower to middle class person, who is limited in funds, and must get interest based loans to buy your home or use credit cards, then you are paying interest to the bank, which the bank is then using, in theory, to pay the person’s return with the 5% CD! Not only is this equation outrageously offensive due to the use of usury (interest) to ‘steal from the poor and give to the rich’, but it also perpetuates class stratification by its very design, keeping the lower classes poor, under the constant burden of debt, while keeping the upper classes rich, with the means to turn excess money into more money, with no labor. That reality aside, there are other games in the system which have worked for decades, but are just now starting to bloom into the inevitable mathematic disasters that should have been anticipated 100 years ago. The point is, our system is broken. Simple policy change will not solve our debt problem. We need to alter the governmental paradigm if we wish to repay our debt. We need to end the Federal Reserve Board.

This is not a liberal or conservative issue. This is a matter of upholding the Constitution. Congress gave over the power of the purse in 1913 to a quasi-public-private bank called the Federal Reserve which manipulates global currencies. This is wholeheartedly unconstitutional, and at this point it's become immoral. We must act now.

Please consider 4 steps to a constitutional democracy:

  1. End the Federal Reserve Board.

  2. Outlaw lobbyists.

  3. Impeach the current government and re-elect.

  4. Develop a sustainable economy.

[-] 2 points by LessThanSix (2) 13 years ago

I'm not attacking the rich, nor do I suggest anyone do so. I'm simply pointing out that as citizens, we are responsible for the people we elect to office. If we want people in government to speak for the middle class, we need to elect representatives who are FROM the middle class.

As long as we continue to elect rich/wealthy people to office, we can't really complain when they don't do what is best for the majority of us.

Just my opinion

[-] 1 points by RastafariAmerican (141) from Yonkers, NY 13 years ago

I'm sorry, I don't understand your point...because we voted them into the system that mean's it's OK for them to create an unconstitutional government that doesn't represent the populous?

[-] 1 points by publicus1 (125) 13 years ago

I agree with you but to effect change you need to make your grievances known. Check out our proposed list of grievances and plan of action for change. We are proposing it on 10-15-11 at the NYC GA.

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

[-] 0 points by asauti (-113) from Port Orchard, WA 13 years ago

Your approach to what you want to say could be a bit better, to say the least.

When you tell others to "Stop Complaining" but then ask "What is everyone complaining about?" it reveals that you are not truly listening.

Your post also implies the ridiculous notion that you yourself have never complained about anything and therefore have some sort of right to judge others on whether their complaints are worthy of your approval.