Forum Post: Still on the fence
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 15, 2011, 10:48 p.m. EST by Noid
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I have been reserching you guys for about a week now. Watching the live feeds and looking up news reports trying to get a balanced idea what what this is all about. There are many things that I'm hearing from OWS that I agree with. I like probably most Americas know that things are messed up and it is time for a change. I was really impressed the way the people of the world came together today. The the first time in awhile I felt proud to be human and and proud of my fellow man as well. I want to see positive change for the people of the wolrd and I think that is what you all are trying to accomplish.
However in my serches today I stumbled arossed this link http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/10/14/crowdsource-this-social-list-emails-expose-occupywallstreet-conspiracy-to-destablize-global-markets-governments/
It suggests that there are other forces at work behind the OWS movement that you may not even know about.
I am like Wendy in her (You guys scare me) post. But its not you that im scared of. Its that this movement has the poential to be a really good thing or a really bad thing. I fear that world is so upset that it would only take a spark to set off massive world wide riots and chaos that would be very bad for all. I want change. I want corperate greed gone. I want money out of politics. I dont want to get charged a fee to pay my bills. I want better standers of living for all. I want people feed and I want cleaner energy and I want people put first.
Also I know I mispelled and really dont care.
Ok, let me try to set you straight in 30 seconds here. Ready? Go!
Don't believe the media, believe the people. Talk to people in the movement, like you are doing now. Here is a link to counter the story you read and posted. http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd
Don't worry so much about the illuminati being behind everything. Not everything is a conspiracy. If you want to see what's really going on in New York, again, ask people who are really in New York. Watch videos from New York. Here's a beautiful video of the processes taking place on the ground. The REAL movement, at its finest. http://youtu.be/6dtD8RnGaRQ
You don't have to ask yourself "Do I agree with the movement's beliefs?" Because the movement has not declared any beliefs, yet. The movement is simply, thus far, a collection of people saying "Something is wrong. We need to point it out, until everyone is aware, and then we can begin discussing solutions." Do you agree with that basic notion? If so, you have already joined the 99%. Websites like my wiki article ( one of several attempts to get everyone talking about real solutions ) are popping up all over the place. Everyone is trying to come to a consensus, and soon enough we will. I hope you'll contribute. http://declarationof99.wikidot.com/
Hope that helped.
Thank you was very informative
The problem with #1 is anyone that comes here will see a bunch of nutballs going on about conspiracy theories constantly.
HOPE Humans On Planet Earth....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrDLwSgg24
Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.
What the heck are you so afraid of? Seriously, take a chance. Fear will only hold you back (that is the goal of the politicians, by the way, to keep you scared and in line.)
http://occupywallst.org/forum/steps-to-success/
We understand why you are frighted. Change is unnerving. This is a new form of leaderless democracy and must be very difficult for you.
You are feeling threatened and uncertain. We understand. These are anxious times.Try to consider this from the perspective of those on "the other side."
Keep in mind that there is no "other side": there is one country, under God.
915 cities around the world would not have erupted if this movement were not authentic.
Join us.
Its not the change that scares me it the cost of that change. The potential for things to get out of control and massive deaths around the globe.
We understand the risk, but would rather die on our feet than keep living on our knees. (James Brown).
You can help manage the change and make sure the cost does not escalate.
Join us.
It already has set off riots, in Rome.
Fear is a tool of the enemy, hope is the tool of progress. That is how you know.
Wait, isn't a fear a tool of OWS too? I mean, isn't the idea of a protest like this to scare wall-street to attention?
Its not about fear. Its about anger and hope. When you leave the nest to fend for your self and demand that your parents respect you, its not about fear. Its about demanding what is rightfully yours.
Wait, so anger is fine but hate isn't? One kinda feeds the other, just ask Yoda. :)
I can be angry at my kids for doing something stupid, it doesnt mean I hate them at all. Anger also arises out of love and concern.
You sir, make a valid point.
I'll concede.
Hey man, come down to wall street and you can get high with me dude, weed. We need 4 more years of Democrats because they smoke weed i think... awesome and shit. Dude, we are the fleabaggers and we're proud, can smoeone give me a ride back to NewarK? my basement is filthy because my mom doesn't clean it. I protested her ass! she needs to smoke weed with us!
You are right about this. There is an element to OWS that scares the shit out of all of us! we need to find a common ground between everyone. Check out my ideas:
http://teaoccupyunited.com/pages/teaoccupyunited-mission-statement
Noid, Change can be painful and uncomfortable sometimes. But remember you are not alone. You have me and the other billions on the planet. remember there is only 1 system of Government that truly works, the one headed by Jesus Christ. The best we can do is try to make it like he would, until he comes back and does it himself. All we have had to this point is man made government screwing us left and right