Forum Post: start defining an OWS platform
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 21, 2011, 4:14 a.m. EST by ksmurray
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Sure it's critical to avoid becoming a one-issue movement, but why not start a defining an OWS platform where any supporter (any 99%-er) can propose planks and all can express their support or opposition. Personally I think political influence/corruption by monied interests is the greatest concern (that is just one person's point of view), but can't we start articulating and ranking issues and candidate positions (i.e., defining a political platform) in a fully open, inviting, bottom-up, non-partisan, democratic way that captures the breadth and depth, the diversity and the wisdom, of insights the 99%?
I've got 21 signatures in 2 days will you guys help out and sign? http://www.change.org/petitions/the-president-of-the-united-states-occupy-wall-street-pass-the-living-wage-act
It would be very hard to accurately do this as people who seek to disrupt the movement would get involved and skew the results.
Whaaaaat!!!? lol
I believe the OWS platform needs to include the Human Worth Amendment. To learn more, please go to http://occupywallst.org/forum/human-worth-amendment/
This isn't a political party it is a PROTEST!!!
on it. visit the wiki and join in. this forum is not going to organize such very well.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
Agreed, so perhaps you would consider our group's proposal of an alternative online direct democracy of government and business at http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures-448eo , for this is a small-business-bottom-up approach, not today's big-business-top-down approach, so if agreed, join our group's 20 members committed to that plan at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
Those are still discussion groups. I think we're looking for a forum where users can submit ideas and then we can vote on the best ones to get a better idea of where we can go with this and what our top priorities should be. Kinda like making a comment and facebook and then people liking it and whatever idea gets the most likes becomes one of the top priorities. If we are just taking a discussion here to yahoo it's really not getting to the president is it? I have made a petition at change.org to try and get the ball rolling in the right direction. Sign it or give me some ideas on how to make it better so that people will sign it. http://www.change.org/petitions/the-president-of-the-united-states-occupy-wall-street-pass-the-living-wage-act
Agreed. Our group web site has such voting capabilities too, but we need to consolidate all our people into 1 group web site (yours, mine, whatever) to vote-upon a platform, for every person (or vote) added to such a combined group web site in support of a SPECIFIC platform is more powerful than the last person (or vote) added; that is, when it comes to having REAL socioeconomic impact by the 99% against the 1%. That's why I want to use the AmericansElect.org web site, a site with millions of members getting ready to vote upon a third-party presidential nomination in June 2012, as the ultimate destination of all our various group web sites now, for if we all get behind whatever platform surfaces among us as a Platform Committee (or Group Web Site) there at AlericansElect.org, and then as-one, give support clicks for our combined platform when called for by AmericansElect.org, then our combined platform will immediately get noticed by millions of voters there as it immediately tops the list on the first day as thousands of support clicks are IMMEDIATELY cast. In this, TIMING is the key to getting noticed by these millions of voters, and with that TIMING we'll have a REAL chance of making a HUGE difference socioeconomically on behalf of the 99% against the 1%, agreed?
That's a nice looking website there, but there's still no spot to comment on issues or submit petitions there. I mean we can all make petitions at change.org but with so many causes and petitions there it's hard to separate them all because you can title them whatever you want. On my group you can make your petitions using whatever page you like post any petition link in the links section that reflects our motives and main concerns. I have already posted about 10 petitions there that I think are a part of our main concerns.
Thanks for the link. I signed your petition and entered our group's petition to see how it works at http://www.change.org/petitions/we-the-people-want-to-become-bank-business-owner-voters
You're right, "with so many causes and petitions there it's hard to separate them all " so they need to set them up in a tree, such as: (1) Wholesale, (2) Vehicles, (3) Services, (4) Education, (5) Retail, (6) Housing, (7) Commodities, (8) Technology, (9) Manufacturing, (10) Insurance, (11) Justice, and (12) Banking. And then have further drill-down from there.
Furthermore, it needs to be weighted, by vote, as part of a single petition (or platform) as I described above using a single group web site in the millions of members, such as AmericansElect.org, where their signature would actually have REAL socioeconomic impact upon the Top 1% Management System of Business & Government as a Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing Power and Group Investment Power, such as my site at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
Unfortunately I've only gotten 20 of 65,000 members needed to join my site so it looks like I have to spend a lot of my own money (on facebook ads, etc) in order to get that 65,000 members, but when we do, that 1 Interdependent Town Bank of 65,000 Members will change the face of the planet to look like http://www.TheVenusProject.com simply by their example of creating one such Town as Bank Owner-Voters, and therein as Business Owner-Voters.
So, I hope join our group for that purpose.
The Venus Project sounds like a good idea but in reality it doesn't work. How am I going to have free access to any food that I need? People are not just going to work their butts off farming this stuff and giving it away... Are we all going to build houses for everyone to live in because they need a place to say? People have to be willing to participate to make that happen. I for one wouldn't farm a whole crop and then just give it away because people need to it, what is me and my family getting in return? A Fair Trade economy without money would work better, but even then how does that help globally? The existence of money is vital and necessary and we can have a resource based economy with money as long as it's distributed properly. it's all about morals & ethics.
Agreed, what I said was they can create that kind of highly effective and efficient RBE City Design of 65,000 as Bank Owner-Voters, and therein as Business Owner-Voters.
For example, there is an immediately effective and efficient solution to the problem of global warming, and the “greedy” 1% system which is creating it, as follows: If the 99%, as Home Town Banks of 65,000 Members, divide themselves into 16,384 Vehicle Investment Groups of 4 Members, with each group of 4 Members purchasing a hybrid-diesel-hummer-limo Cab which they then put into their Town Cab Fleet of 16,384 Lino Cabs, then this would reduce their Individual Transportation Costs by 75% (Cost of 1 Cab / 4 Members = 75% less cost per member), and yet they would have a Luxury Limo Cab available to them, out of 16,000 cabs in their Town, five minutes after calling for one, but not necessarily the specific luxury cab in which they own 25%. And most importantly, let's not forget the lessening of Mother Nature's burden from having 75% fewer cars with no traffic jams, and thus 75% less CO2. Furthermore, the list of simple productivity improvements like this one -- which the 99% want but the 1% don't want -- are endless, beginning with our 48 Tactical Investment Procedures at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems But as their FIRST of Forty-Eight Tactical Investment Procedures, the 99% must control the banks as Bank Owner-Voters, and therein as Business Owner-Voters, before they can control their Town (and National) design in this manner which is much less costly (in terms of the worker hours needed to maintain it by 75% too) and yet have 75% greater luxury (such as a limo cab) at the same time. Consequently, to decentralize Banking & Business Ownership into a Online Direct Democracy by Occupation & Generation is to lower cost 75% is to lower price 75% is to lower work 75% is to increase luxury by 75% is to decrease Mother Nature's burden by 75%. So you see, once you get ALL the people thinking technically (or mathematically) like this, without arguing for argument's sake, in a way they can understand today, THEN you can move them to even high levels of optimally effective and efficient Town (& National) designs where the word "greed" and the phrase "lack of moral fiber" doesn't even exist, such as a resource-based economy, but which the people are not yet technically (or mathematically) prepared to understand or implement at this time, but that can change as we improve their technical (or mathematical) capabilities in ways they do understand first, such as the example above, agreed?
wouldn't it be easier to just switch to a Credit Union?
Yes, I changed the plan to say Bank (or Credit Union), but either way, it still needs to be re-organized in 48 Business Investment Groups according to 12 Levels of Occupational & Generational Experience, and thus Voting Power over the deployment of Individual Business Loans using Online Business, Industry, Town, County, State, National, and International Online Congresses replacing today's Congress.
I'm not really understanding the need for 48. I mean Credit Unions already exist and if everyone switched their account the banks would be out of money.
You need BUSINESS CONTROL in all 48 Business Investment Groups in order to change today's ineffective and inefficient city designs into highly effective and efficient RBE City Designs.
You obviously haven't read the proposal at http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures-448eo That's okay, but read it first and then tell ME why you need 48 Business Investment Groups. Sorry, I'm getting a little tired, and then I get a little testy.
It just seems a bit lengthy to understand the concept. I don't understand the WHY for the 48 businesses... We already have established Credit Unions that already exist. If people just switch their accounts, problem solved.
No, problem not solved, and if you and others can't even read and critically THINK through a 1-Page Summary of Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures NECESSARY to solve those problems then they will never be solved. Bye.
It's just too much. 1 page is a lot to comprehend. if it was that easy then everyone would be supporting this. Where are all these people going to come from let alone have the money to make 48 business investment groups? Again if credit unions already exist... then what's the problem with that?
The do kinda set them up by category but there's so many out there. we need to pick the ones that matter the most sign them and put them into one category of importance like the page I created here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/occupyagenda/links People can make petitions or find petitions of their choice that reflect the OWS movement and post them there for other group members to see & sign.
We need a platform where we can put ideas that we can vote on. Is there a a way we can do that here? As in I say my piece and people vote on it and the popular votes are the main ideas of the Agenda?
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So who do you plan on submitting this to? I totally agree that a list needs to be developed but right now OWS isn't big enough to make anyone (of power) blink.
We are working in OccTampa on getting something formal together...
I would love to see it when you do. I'm right at the edge of calling this movement a failure. The numbers should have grown into the millions by now but I just don't see growth any longer. I think if there was something formal, it would definitely help. Also, if OWS was smart, they would use any profits to get people knocking on doors and talking to the communities. Growth is the key right now in my opinion. Good luck though!
Wow, you are in a rush. The 1% is patient and they plan long term. OWS is a baby by comparison. Give it time. It may develop in ways that will surprise us all.
I don't mind patience so long as there is a path forward. If you look on this board, half the questions are along the lines of, "What are we doing?". That's not a good sign. Make a business plan (non-profit of course) that will grow the movement into something the elite must deal with. If you don't agree, that's fine but the messages on this board say otherwise.
I agree that this board is mostly non-functional. However, it doesn't represent OWS. It is has a small number of actual occupyers, some curious people who care about the issues, and about a zillion trolls.
For serious consideration of a path forward, themultitude.org is where you want to be.
I looked at it when it was first created and will check it out again. Thanks!
Thanks. I try to remind people that most here arent professional managers or campaigers, they are normal, and usuallly young average people. This type of thing is new to them.