Forum Post: Some Clear Messages
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 8:50 p.m. EST by otterinwater
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1) When asked by reporters about why there seems to be no coherent msg among the Occupy Wall St. crowd, respond with, "Maybe you should find another angle for your story. I know it may be a little challenging to write a story about the excitement of a REAL grass roots populist movement (in contrast to the astroturfed TEA party), but if you're a REAL journalist, I'm sure you can do it.
2) Some things most of us are for:
- vigorously prosecute, for fraud, investment bankers who sold bundled, securitized mortgages to their clients while selling them short with their own accounts. If the CEOs knew this was going on, they should be jailed for fraud;
- pass a constitutional amendment removing the "personhood" status of corporations;
- reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act to separate mortgage and investment banking again;
- tax capital gains at the same rates as wages, with the exception of investment in the research and development of renewable energy sources;
- close the loopholes that allow the off-shoring of corporate income;
- force banks to renegotiate mortgage interest rates;
- offer a Medicare-for-all option to small businesses.
3) Some things we're against:
- subsidies for oil and gas, including wars to secure oil production in foreign countries;
- freedom of movement for international capital to follow the cheapest labor and the least restrictive environmental laws, but tight controls on the mobility of labor.
hmm. i agree. these are issues best solved long term by 1001 sub forums and a wiki. Until then. Is this clear enough for you?
sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.
the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.
"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"
nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.
gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."
"Why aren't u in office???"
aspergers syndrome. you want to run,? i can ghost write your platform? :)
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"Understood we need more ideas then politicians anyway. The fixes are so simple but so difficult to get implemented."
↧ gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago
i'm running for chief of staff. bit early to announce yet since i have no clue whos running on my ticket for president?
http://forums.keller2012.com/index.php i created this forum org structure. but scott keller turned out to be an idiot.
gawdoftruth: you need to do your homework and talk less; most of what you say exhibits an embarrassing lack of scholarship, and is just about your ego. For the sake of the conversation, have a little discipline.
sorry, i am the one who actually knows what they are talking about. I am the one whos read thousands of textbooks. you people are the ones who are talking nonsense, and i don't have an ego- i;'m an aspie. seriously get real. I'm talking facts, your just ad homming me.