Forum Post: SOLUTION: REPEAL THE 16th AMMENDMENT
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 10:34 p.m. EST by crv2012
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It's about time somebody stood up and did something...
The solution to this problem: REPEAL THE 16th AMMENDMENT... and go back to states holding the purse...
no more federal tax = no more $ = no more federal regulations = no more corporate control of our laws
The states can fund the federal goverment for our defense just as it was until 98 years ago when the 16th Ammendment was passed...
This is the solution to our problems.
= no more federal government = no more united states = no point to this argument
The USA was just fine in 1912... The only difference is the states provide the federal government with their money...
See 50 states can stand up and demand change easily... Millions of citizens cannot...
Cannot easily...
in 1912 the US government did 2 things: Trade with other nations and shoot at them. Since then the demands on a western government have increased exponentially. The sort of social safety nets that many on here are in favour of (myself included) are the single biggest contributor to that. If you want the feds to help you when you're down, you have to pay them when you're up (and no, "up" does not mean "when I'm making $1,000,000/year or more")
That's fine... the States can continue to let the Feds run Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, etc... What needs to end is the Congress running around like zombies under corporate control... Pledging millions and billions to them in every way and excuse... even trying to get us to opt into buying and inflating their stocks as an alternative to Social Security... Yeah, right.
The States need to be able to say... hey, look, we only got X trillion... make it work... no loans.
but the states have no frickin' money either! You have literally taken the same bill and given it to different people, who draw from the same pool of money as the first people. So what exactly do you want congress to do? And what's to stop the state assemblies from just becoming the "new" congress?
Well, first this financial mess needs to be solved... then the people and the States will have plenty of funds... the state assemblies will become the "new" congresses... however, on the state level voters can petition and repeal laws through direct vote if state legislators get out of hand. However, it's a lot harder for a corporation to influence fifty state legislatures, than it is a single federal congress.
the financial mess you speak of is the system itself, the fact that we have this mentality where we have services and no fees. It's ridiculous to say "once the problem is solved, we'll be able to continue to perpetuate the problem." Either we cut the programs, or we raise taxes. Pure and simple.
And also, have you given any consideration to the fact that in order to get it's money, the feds will have to appease 50 state legislatures. What happens if alabama goes "we don't want no stinkin' medicaire" and vote not to pay it...what happens to the system then?
You seem to be completely comfortably with making the federal government completely powerless...so I ask again, what exactly do you want congress to do?
The Federal Government should protect our nation from foreign attack, work to solve issues between the states and work to protect American's rights, safety and freedoms from State overstep...
Safety would include public safety nets and such, but Congress shouldn't have the ability to steal the funds from these sources for other use... They would be accountable to the states for the tomfoolery they engage in...
What would be cut or transformed? Regulatory agencies... The bulk of federal spending outside of so-called entitlements, excepting as noted defense spending of course.
No, this Ammendment was passed in 1913 after Congress overspent and was on the verge of financial catastrophe similar to this, but without all the borrowing... the federal government convinced the states to pass this Ammendment which they drew up in Congress... little would the states realize they gave up ALL of their power with this Ammendment, being unable to standup to the federal government on any matter less it risk losing its highway funds or whatever blackmail they could cook up...
Without this funding the federal government would eventually revert back to a national defense purpose... states would administer most programs so as to keep the money to themselves...
This would limit corporations influence at the state level... and they would have little care for most federal issues left...
See at the state level, citizens can petition and vote changes in their laws... but federal law is unstoppable to all...
Alas, a repeal of the 16th Ammendment is the only way to solve this problem AND prevent a repeat of this same situation again...
perhaps suggest another, smaller form of federal tax, such as a national sales tax on everything. Except broken down in to a 'necessity" category and another "entertainment/un-needed goods (boats, second vehicles, etc.) to help minimize gouging the poor man (percentage of salary spent on National taxes), and help implement taxes on the rich. I.E you buy stuff you don't need, you pay more in national taxes.
Amen to this! The federal tax code is corrupt and abusive.
Wow. Finally someone seeking to minimize central govt control and the social engineering it fosters. Not to mention leave a few $$ in our pockets. There is hope.
The reason the amendment was passed was to try and end the abuses of the 1%. Bad idea, I think. Sure, its a good anti federal government idea, but not anti corporation. Dont get co opted by the Tea Party.
The reason the amendment was passed was to try and end the abuses of the 1%. Bad idea, I think. Sure, its a good anti federal government idea, but not anti corporation. Dont get co opted by the Tea Party.
How do you want to fund the military?
The military was funded until 1913 without income tax ( this amendment was only income tax).Trust me there will still be plenty of taxes...just less.
Not quite. The Civil War bankrupted the Federal government, at which point it was placed into corporate receivership by European financiers.
Understood. Still...no income tax. For 50 more years (and nearly 100 years prior). Plus think of all else (name an agency...) that the country survived without until the 1930's and beyond.
That's a fine argument and I have a lot of sympathy with it. Personally I would like to see a consumption tax that exempts basic goods, and is therefore progressive, but only with the elimination of all other tax. (The higher percent you spend on necessities the lower your effective rate is)
On the other hand, we live in a very different world than agrarian 1800. There are numerous necessary functions of government the founding fathers could not have possibly imagined.
You got me at the consumption tax. All for it.
Our definition of necessary govt likely differs. We view much of it as necessary today strictly as weve always known it and therefore feel entitled to it. Enjoy the banter and thinking...
Kind of tough on Alabama, states like that, don't you think?
this is an idea, I must research.