Forum Post: Socialism/communism keep failing yet idiots keep supporting it
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 26, 2011, 10:19 a.m. EST by ArrestAllCEOS
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Europeon socialism is threatening to bring down the world economy right now.
Every country/society who implemented one of these economic structures has failed miserably.
The only socialist countries in Europe are: Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
The three countries are doing very well. None of the three are part of the Eurozone. All three have their own currencies. None of the three are concerned about any Greek default. None of the three are concerned about any "collapse" of the Euro currency.
All the three Socialist Scandinavian countries have a Debt to GDP ratio much lower than that of the USA.
Socialism in Scandivania is very far from "failing".
Long live Socialism!
England has been mostly socialistic in the past, but they are coming around these days. They still don't have free speech and for years the only media residents were allowed to watch legally was the state-run BBC. Universal Healthcare paid for with taxes on gas and all post-secondary education is at least subsidized by the government, if not fully funded.
Scandinavian socialism is only partially so as there are still many private enterprises in that region. Truly socialist countries are North Korea, Cuba, Syria, Laos, China etc.
Well whatever the heck Scandinavians have it works. And the US system doesn't. So lets get our heads out of asses please and just adopt their freaking system.
Please explain how the US system doesn't work, or do you mean that it doesn't work for you?
China is savage capitalism...
We have had socialist policies in the UNITED STATES forever. Police fire department, RECENTLY social security medicaid.. And the countries economy was perfectly fine. There has to be a balance. To say all socialism is awful is ignorant. And for me too say allow a totally capitalistic society is too.
A totally socialist country is a failing country, but so is a totally laissez faire capitalist country. There is a middle ground and most developed nations have reached that middle ground. Many essential duties can best be carried out by the government and many others are best left to the private sector, but to claim that either the government or the private sector can handle all responsibilities well is ignorant. There is a huge difference between socialistic programs in a country and a socialist country.
Not saying you accused me sorry
No prob.
Very correct it isn't the socialist or capitalist policies this country uses that are bringing it down. It is just pure fucking corruption bringing it down. I'm not against wealth I'm against corruption. I don't like being accused by people who don't know me what my opinions are. I put my ideas like them take them don't like them move on or try to change me. Don't insult me call me a lazy hippy because you disagree or I call you out on a lie or false statement
Where does OWS support socialism / communism they are actually fighting against it. Corporate welfare is socialism . Letting them fail is capitalism. Only the strong survive in capitalism. This post is stupid. Next idiot let me debunk
Socialism and Capitalism,. these are simply relative terms for who gets to claim ownership of the means of production,. Capitalists let private individuals and corporations exploit our collective natural resources for their private gain. Where as Socialism, creates public utilities and workers collectives,. social structures that provide for our need while keeping people on a more equal level playing field,. common ownership of the local wind farm say,. instead of one guy owning the wind farm and getting rich by taking profits form every one else. Why should a private corp. keep all the profits of cutting down an old growth forest? they did not generate the wood,. they leave the area wasted when they clear-cut,. and they normally only pay a tinny fee to do this,. . it is not that capitalists create wealth,. they just exploit and extract it.
Britain has a socialist party call the Labour, they were in power during the previous term and two terms previous to that.
France germany spain and britain all use socialist ideals in concerns to education, healthcare and the army
but i fox news tells you that it equals communism and then you remember that Rocky 4, i see why you are a bit scared of the word SOCIALISM
remember socialism or any ism.. is revitalizing not just by some idiots but by people with hunger n frustration too..is fighting against hunger n poverty is idiotic? yes thats how says capitalistic intellectuals..
It's like the Banks want to fail
European Socialism is in crisis because of the banking system and fiat monetary systems. You don't even have a base of understanding required to engage in intelligent conversation. I suggest you do more research because you are severely misguided
they all are failing....
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Can't tell if trolling.
Facts do not equal trolling
What facts you are just spouting opinions, would lonve if you listed some concrete facts for us.
Interesting perspective ArrestAllCEOS, do you believe OWS (as a whole) wants socialism/communism? Would you like to write a full length article about this? Please email me at OccupyUnveiled@live.com | #OccupyUnveiled is an independent news source regarding OWS and its affiliates. Neither for nor against OWS, we seek truth where ever it may lead us.
The only socialism allowed in the USA is when corporations "privatize the profits, socialize the losses".
Yeah, communism is totally failing, that's why China owns our debt!! I'm not totally in favor of communism or socialism, but I'm not opposed to them either. Just wanted to point out that China's centrally planned economy is kicking our ass right now...
The reason China is growing so fast right now is because the government decided to adopt free market principals, this was a country that was so extremely poor that it had no other choice but to explode economically, the wages there are so low it's not even funny, why do you think all of the manufacturing has been outsourced to China? These people have lived on nothing for so long, a few bucks goes a long ways.
Pre WWII Germany went from the worst economy in the world to the strongest in about a decade under socialism. If it weren't for the war and the whole concentration camp thing Hitler would be viewed as one of the best leaders of all time (so says pre WWII time magazines) and the whole world would probably have followed suit and been socialist by now.
I don't necessarily advocate socialism and certainly not communism.
But European socialism isn't what is threatening to bring down the economy in the least. It's an extension of the same issues we faced in this country. A banking crisis, rampant government debt and inefficiencies throughout.
How can you point fingers at them and not take a good, hard look in the mirror?
Perfect response thank you.
And how did rampant government debt come about? By utilizing massive government social programs.
massive government military/police spending,. massive, bailing out capitalist banks that failed,. massive government welfare to CORPORATIONS!
Cha Ching! leave it to this site to tell me to "turn off the bloody caps lock"
Partially. I would think that war on multiple fronts isn't helping the US debt.
At the end of the day - it isn't social programs that are necessarily the issue. It's social programs run inefficiently by the government. Government budgeting rewards inefficient utilization of funds.
The private sector, despite its many flaws, rewards being streamlined and efficient. Inefficiencies are costs to be stamped out.
The government sector, along with it's many flaws, rewards larger budgets to programs with cost overruns and full utilization of past budgets. Inefficiency isn't the goal, but it is the byproduct of the cost allocation process. There is no benefit to ensuring streamlined and efficient utilization of capital.
I agree. If you've never lived under these systems, you re unqualified to insinuate that they are better than capitalism. The movement undoes any good achieved when idiots go off on their comm/soc idea logical rants
exactly
so how to try something beside capitalism
We haven't had true capitalism for 100 years. A central bank that dictates the price of money, too big to fail, business lobbying for special privileges, a fiat currency that funds endless wars, none of these are bastions of capitalism. The only real downside of free market capitalism is that government just has too much inclination to meddle. We as citizens have allowed this to a greater and greater degree......until...... Bang...... Here we are and the system is sick...
Or may be capitalist economy keep failing and people need socialist system to keep them from falling even more with capitalism? Socialist system gives poor at least something to survive on, small part of wealth rich accumulated from hard work of the rest of society.
Socialism fails because the government is too dysfunctional to be a responsible steward for the means of production, ownership and distribution on a small scale, let alone on a scale as large as the US. Communism is too easily corrupted as misery is spread disproportionately among the have not's while the haves always find a way to keep what they have. These systems have the same fatal flaw that will always doom them to eventual failure and that is the fact that people have greed and jealousy in them. Why would someone want to become a doctor or lawyer if they are to earn and have the exact same as a ditch digger? Why would someone want to develop a new drug to help fight disease if there is no more reward for such developments than there are for being the best garbage man on the block? Socialism and Communism stifle creation and destroy innovation and ultimately requires outside support for basic services because a lack of reward breeds apathy.