Forum Post: Smart Voting System is the solution.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 11:07 a.m. EST by newAgeDemocracy
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current voting system : we vote to select them>they get the power from our hands>we are sitting helpless while they make the moves which helps themselves as well as their rich supporters.
new age democracy : we vote to select them>they make policies and post it online> they gather support by convincing us that the policy is right>we decide by voting to those policies if we want it or not. what else: through smart phones or smart devices we can vote weekly or monthly. booths can be set up permanantly with ABM like systems where poor people who don't have smart devices can vote. it should be mandatory to vote or there is a fine for not voting in. so they(politicians) should be doing what they are supposed to do - make policies, the decision should be in our hands. i.e. they raise their own salaries by 200%, or they are sending troops to whatever country, or any big bailout to a currupt bank > we should have the RIGHT TO VOTE ON EVERY POLICY. please add if you like, thanks
I agree wholeheartedly with almost everything in this post.
...Except the phrase 'new age democracy'.
Douglas Rushkoff calls it Open Source Democracy (based on the Open Source Software model)
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/10753
http://theosdf.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_governance
FUNNY - right on the website of the OSDF site you mention it says "...nonprofit, nonpartisan...", than, flip to the 'Who We Are' page and what do you find?
Rob B. "Democratic fundraiser (professional)... He's raised millions of dollars for Democratic politicians"
What a JOKE!!! :-)))))))) Pure political hypocrisy!!!
Just because some politicians happen to be involved does not make it 'partisian'. Libertarians and conservatives are interested in Open Society as well.
http://metapolitik.org/blog/toward-global-open-society
This is indeed the purest form of democracy you are talking about, but democracy is not a desireable way to rule a country. As the founding fathers said: "Democracy is not much better than mob-law" and "Democracy is 100 white men hanging one black man". Democracy has never been seen before in any country nor will it ever be incorporated.
Also in a democracy the big corporations can still influence the people because they own the media and pretty much everything else too. That way they can sensor the news, and make programs in such a way that they influence peoples behavior. Making the rich the rulers once again.
Every system that incorporates money will have the rich ruling over the poor, no matter if it is called communism, socialism or capitalism. In the end they are all oligarchies (power is in the hands of an elite few). Why is this? Well because money lets some people have more resources than others, and all people desire resources. Therefore if you have money you can influence others, no matter the name of the system.
true, but, founding fathers can be wrong too these days. humans evolve, and we learn new things from experiences. and my experience is, if we hand over the power to another person he will do whatever is best for him, not for us. i don't want my so called representative vote yes or no to a policy that is most important for me, i will vote on it myself, i think its simple enough & for rich over poor advertisement, we can use social media,
Exactly! We should have a say in all policies. Right now we send our representatives to do what we want them to do. Instead they do what they want to do and it takes us 4 years to get them out. I don't agree with a fine for not voting though. There is a means to abstain. Nothing can be done by force. People do the right thing when they do it out of their free will.
my point is, that we should have interest to vote, if not then those who are interested to pass the wrong bill will vote, and the normal person will still say, oh ok, i don't have time to press a button, to say yes or no, and the bill will be passed. if we want a democracy which works for everyone, everyone should vote. fine or some other solution, through which we think twice before saying no to vote.
Yes. That does happen. That is why useless people get elected.
if it's Open Source in nature, people will naturally gravitate to the topics that interest them most, to contribute. Eventually, certain people will 'float' to the top as recognized experts in the field (or just their viewpoints are the most read) and can make it easier for others by digesting a topic and presenting the pros/cons for voting. Kind of like we already do when we read user reviews on new appliances, electronics, etc.
Will it be perfect? No way!! But, 1) much, much better then the current systems 2) will be constantly improved while being harmed much, much less than the current system br, Michael
"new age democracy : we vote to select them>..."
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Where is the bottleneck? 535 senators and reps. They need to be ENTIRELY eliminated (i.e. middlemen/women) and replaced with a form of Direct Democracy - Open Source Direct Democracy as mentioned by others on this thread.
We have relatively cheap and widely available technology that needs to be used. In 1776 they didn't, and to make decisions for 2.5mn U.S. citizens, a Republic form of Government did make sense, but not any more. We are already communicating and discussing many issues on the internet, the next step is to set up an official .gov site, have citizens register, working groups will form (by choice), and voting can take place - but ONLY under FULL legal names for EVERYONE to see (/count or run an app to count), otherwise, in time, the system will get hi-jacked (100% certainty). Anyone can comment and contribute anonymously but when it comes to actually voting and shaping the lives of other citizens, only under full legal names.
No, should not be mandatory to vote. If Open Source in nature, then everything will be 100% transparent, reducing fraud/waste/personal gain to a minimum (no system can entirely eliminate it), and those that don't want to vote can take confidence that others are looking after democracy to the level necessary (24/7/360).
I trust Canonical with Ubuntu. Is Ubuntu perfect? No!! A few crazy quirks I hate, but overall I love it and trust it is always being advanced and not harmed (i.e. waste/fraud/personal gain - that is always done in secret, as is now).
If we had an Open Source Political Framework, much of these many, MANY diverse viewpoints on #OWS could be solved in reasonable time frames, in a more balanced manner and with more flexibility (the only way to embrace diversity) because there would be:
1) Separation of State and Politics - no actual 'issues' discussed on the State level, that only polarizes people
2) Minimum Core Government - non-decision making, instead, decision enforcement of citizens decisions only,
3) Bottom up run vs. Top down - citizens deciding, discussing and voting on all issues directly (voting powers slightly weighted more to those who obviously have demonstrated clear knowledge on a subject, less to 'armchair coaches' who put in their 'two cents' on every single topic)
br, Michael p.s. am I the ONLY one on this MASSIVE forum under his full legal name?!?!?! So much openness on F.B. yet none here where it matters??
to any tech savvy person - please make an app for SVS for a trial, and lets put mock policies and let people vote on it, for a start
fine for 'mock voting' big mistake for actual voting until it is done 100% open on the internet under FULL LEGAL names. See my comments above.
Good idea, and I saw another good idea in a post by a new website called www.LobbyDemocracy.com , that could be a catalyst that brings about changes like these. Ultimately, we need to take private money out of public campaigns too.