Forum Post: Since when have the reps and tea party people invaded our forum???
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 23, 2011, 8:03 p.m. EST by alfi
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Is anyone doing anything about this? We are the 99%, not the tea party. I keep seeing tea party topics key words and catch phrases popping up in the titles of new topics posted.
If OccupyWallSt.org wants to continue being a forum for the 99%, then it should post a sticky announcement on the main page that OccupyWallSt.org is NOT affiliated and does not support the Tea Party or any other political organization or party -
People I was at the first Tea Party (before it got co opted) I saw the infiltration instantly and they lost my support. I have been strongly supporting OWS since Sept 19. Maybe they are waking up. We need all we could get.
Too late. The OWS movement was co-opted by a Central American Communist group:
Go to here first: http://www.nycga.net/how-to-help/ "You can also mail a check or money order to the Alliance for Global Justice. Please indicate “Occupy Wall Street” in the memo line. Alliance for Global Justice 1247 “E” Street, SE Washington, DC 20003 Or CALL at 202-544-9355 to make a telephone donation."" Then go here: http://afgj.org/ "The Alliance for Global Justice (AfGJ) and its predecessor and founder, the Nicaragua Network, have been well-known grassroots organizations within the Central and Latin America solidarity movement and the anti-corporate globalization movement for over three decades. For probably 25 years we’ve used our 501(c)(3) non-profit tax status to fiscally sponsor projects that do not have their own tax-exempt status." Then here: http://www.nicanet.org/ "The Nicaragua Network has been organizing in solidarity with the people of Nicaragua for over 30 years. In February of 1979, the Network was founded to support the popular struggle to overthrow the 45 year US-supported Somoza family dictatorship, and after the July 19 victory, to support the efforts of the Sandinista Revolution to provide a better life for the nation’s people. Thus, for over a quarter of a century, the Network has been a leading organization in the United States committed to social and economic justice for Nicaragua, Latin America and the world, based on respect for sovereignty and self-determination. The Network advocates for sound U.S. foreign policies that respect human rights and international law. The Nicaragua Network provides information and organizing tools to a network of 200 solidarity, sister city, and peace and justice committees across the U.S."
LOL! The first site you have listed is a scam and has nothing to do with Occupy Wall St so I stopped there. My friend do you have any idea how hard these people are fighting against other organizations that are claiming to be part of them? Do you have any idea how many fake web sites have used their name? I know where OWS started but I haven't heard you mention the backers name or affiliation. If you want to tell a good lie you should at least include a half truth
Steve I got to this site by looking for a way to donate to OWS. Don't you think others, who don't actually check into these things, will do the same thing.
So you are saying THIS site: http://www.nycga.net/about/ has NOTHING to do with OWS?
Just sat down I saved this page to my favorites. Interesting find. Do you oppose OWS because of their message or because you believe they have gotten co-opted by undesirables?
Uhh isn't the Tea Party part of the 99%? Are you saying the Tea Party is the 1%?
After reading some of the back-and-forth comments below, I have one thing to add -- a question, actually -- to what I said previously:
Do we truly stand for the deomcracy of the people or are we actually just a front for an oligarchy of a different shade than the one we've got. I vote for democracy of the people and I welcome all those who agree. If we find out later that they are false and have another agenda, then we deal with that issue. Until then, it's a choice between putting our actions where our words are or being hypocritical and elitists as our oppenents accuse us of being.
I disagree with just about every word that comes out of a Tea Partier's mouth, but they are part of this country and have the same rights as the rest of us, including the right to speak their minds. In fact, the TP is just as much a "populist movement" as OWS and that makes them part of the 99%, at least by my calculations.
If we are really about The People retaking control of this country, then we need to include as many people as we can, not shut them out. That is the same elitist philosophy that the One Percent claims. Instead of silencing them, we need to openly and calmly discuss out points of view, find common ground and talk about ways of compromising on our differences. If one side or the other refuses to do this, then a decision has to be made as to where to go from there, but at this point, I welcome everyone who stands for the freedom and power of the common person over that of the wealthy elite.
Yes, I've posted about this issue before. As it is, I think this website is doing the movement far more harm than good. I quit posting on this site awhile ago. Why should we provide a forum for this movements detractors? Just leaving this site this way is a big mistake!
UPDATE, it seems the trolls are finally getting outnumbered on the posts that matter anyway, so I was starting to lose faith in this forum thinking we may all be harming the movement with the giant troll magnet, but instead the opposite has happened - all the troll slaying is showing regular people the exact nature of the battle between ignorance and awakening, and sometimes even converting a troll.
Wow, That's great to hear! I haven't been active on this site for awhile but I'll come back to it. We need to OWN the site that first introduces people to OWS!
wow, this is kinda crappy, because I see your point well, it's too late for me, i'm all posted everywhere now, I wanted to try to reach the heart of OWS with this: http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/
They getting paid buy koch brother to site and type all days same think happing on Livestrem
OWS doesn't support a political organization hhuh? I used to think that was true:
Go to here first: http://www.nycga.net/how-to-help/ "You can also mail a check or money order to the Alliance for Global Justice. Please indicate “Occupy Wall Street” in the memo line. Alliance for Global Justice 1247 “E” Street, SE Washington, DC 20003 Or CALL at 202-544-9355 to make a telephone donation.""
Then go here: http://afgj.org/ "The Alliance for Global Justice (AfGJ) and its predecessor and founder, the Nicaragua Network, have been well-known grassroots organizations within the Central and Latin America solidarity movement and the anti-corporate globalization movement for over three decades. For probably 25 years we’ve used our 501(c)(3) non-profit tax status to fiscally sponsor projects that do not have their own tax-exempt status."
Then here: http://www.nicanet.org/ "The Nicaragua Network has been organizing in solidarity with the people of Nicaragua for over 30 years. In February of 1979, the Network was founded to support the popular struggle to overthrow the 45 year US-supported Somoza family dictatorship, and after the July 19 victory, to support the efforts of the Sandinista Revolution to provide a better life for the nation’s people. Thus, for over a quarter of a century, the Network has been a leading organization in the United States committed to social and economic justice for Nicaragua, Latin America and the world, based on respect for sovereignty and self-determination. The Network advocates for sound U.S. foreign policies that respect human rights and international law. The Nicaragua Network provides information and organizing tools to a network of 200 solidarity, sister city, and peace and justice committees across the U.S."
Must read article proving protesters right: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
Let's keep everyone fighting so that when the economy really goes down the tank, and food prices skyrocket, that we can't mount any kind of useful response to the corrupt, lying government we have that has failed us so miserably.
If you dare, watch the extremely moving video about our leaders' gross hypocrisy regarding OWS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRXCgMdz9A
This seems like a hateful question. I thought this group was supposed to be about embracing the 99%? Maybe some people who are conservative, who may agree with some Tea Party ideas, can also agree with your ideas. So if we come by here to try to learn about your group from you, instead of getting all our info from the biased media outlets......suddenly we're invading? This is one of the first posts I've read.....not a good start so far.
This is a copy/paste from another comment I responded to above. Please don't think I am calling you a robot, but thre really has been a very dangerous attempt at flooding this forum with Tea Party slogans, usually one liners without asking for discussions, more like spreading and flooding the forum with PROPAGANDA so when people first look at the headlines of forum topics, all they see is one Tea Party slogan after another - this is adirty tactic done by ROBOTS of the Tea Party who believe they are doing something good, when infact the purpose is to absorb the 99% into the Tea Party and have us all vote RED next election. THIS is the point of the post - and yes I admit it, it's got a dark flavor, not proud of it, I fell for my own weakness of character and got angry. BUT I'M NOT TAKING IT down. Because I am human and I have flaws like everyone, but the majority together can overcome any individual flaws.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/
"As I have said in many other comments Democracy is for EVERYONE, but the point of my post is that there are people trying to INVADE the 99% forum with SLOGANS that are oviously Tea Party slogans. I am also aware of the fact that the original Tea Party Grassroots Movement was actually made by people of the SAME MIND as the 99%-ers now. I watched in horror as the Tea Party movement turned into Palin, Bachman and Paul and then eventually was indestinguishable from the GOP, but was and is reguarded as the EXTREME right GOP. YOU WILL NOT SWALLOW THE 99% LIKE THAT YOU HEAR ME YOU FUCKING DUMBASS ROBOTS!!! But as soon as you stop being robots, please come share your very valuable opinions and you will be listened to and the ideas that are your best will emerge and become part of a new wonderful world."
The Tea Party is owned & operated by the Koch Brothers. i.e. THE CORPORATIONS. They are NOT on our side. They do not wish us well. They are here only to undermine what we are doing and to split us up into warring factions.
Make sure you go some meeting before saying that.
No thanks. I already know way too much about that bunch. My stomach won't take any more.
Unfortunately then you are forced to go off what the media says. I say the same thing to people who have views of OWS without ever attending.
It is ignorance at its highest form.
I argued with one of your people for over an hour at Occupy. He walked away frustrated & upset as I answered each of this arguments. P.S. That doesn't mean I'm going to repeat that experience here.
Thats cool. Im 100% down with OWS, so dont think Im a 100% tea dude. Been at OccTampa almost everyday. Ive found its hard to find anyone who will discuss without getting upset.
Why not? Maybe they are waking up. They are the 99% without them OWS is the 51%
Without them OWS is 1%
The Tea Party is just as opposed to Big Government as OWS is opposed to Big Business, so there's a lot to said in combining forces to oppose BOTH Big Government & Big Business at the same time, so perhaps you would consider our group's proposal of an alternative online direct democracy of government and business at http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures-448eo , for this is a small-business-bottom-up approach, not today's big-business-top-down approach, so if agreed, join our group's 20 members committed to that plan at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
I agree that the Tea Party and 99% have common concenrs and complaints about the current system. Examples include the FED, the IRS, and others. But the current Tea Party also includes MOSTLY Republican views now on issues that are part of the same political machine that is owned and operated by the 1%. At this point, the Tea Party is the branch of the 1% machine that has been fooled into doing the job of the RED party, which is to oppose the BLUE party for the purposes of putting on a show for the people to align with either blue or red and then go vote for either blue or red, both of which are owned and operated by the 1%. If the 99% were to join forces with the Tea Party right now, then the 99% would have to start preaching about making abortions illegal, deregulating business to purify of Capitalist system, start teaching the souther-American brand of Christianity as if it were fact in schools, and MANY other Rebulican idea. Joining forces with the Tea Party would be the same as becoming a Republican Movement right now because the Tea Party already has a well defined Republican structure and TONS of Republican money behind it.
Memebers of the Tea Party, stop being robots, think for yourselves and don't just take the words of Republican leaders you've trusted as fact because ALL politicians are corrupt now. Join the 99%, and stop perpetuating the Republican slogans that sound good but are only the BAIT to get you to support RED politics. Even if we get a Tea Party Pres, he will still be working for the 1% as all politicians do.
Agreed, I just meant there are as many rank-and-file people disillusioned by the RED party and they are by the BLUE party and since neither party is very effective at dealing with socioeconomic problems faced by the rank-and-file, then perhaps we should form an online direct democracy as defined in the above link. Of course, we'd still have our separate issues, but at least we could deal with what we do have in common -- ineffectiveness -- together, and thus double our strength.
YA!!!
I'll be back later, no time now, to give a better response, but YA!
There is no 99% without all the people.
The tea party was just guided to the wrong ideology.
Instead suing the government, banks, wall-street - they thought by saving we get out of the shit - well they are wrong the economy is growing by spending not by saving. ANd especially when money is made so tight, just so the 1% does not get there savings devaluated!
I bet they are all pissed off - they just get distracted by election entertainments.
And the Real estate bubble hit almost 99% of the people.
Printing money and injecting in the stock market is not growth.
No but its a cycle that moves the economy and balances values.
Of course the one with savings in the bank does not want to see inflation, the one that does not earn sufficient and has his house under water, appreciates inflation to reduce his actual loans.
Except we are in some weird phase where wages and housing values are stagnant, wages for quite some time.
Starting wage in construction in 1995 was $10/hr. Same has now. Except everything else the average joe needs to live is almost twice has much.
You are absolutely right. If you put a timeline to the disaster:
and all will be charge the taxpayers - again - people that are so stressed out that I can not understand why more are on the street.
At the same time politicians talk about saving and cutting healthcare social security...
I don't think that this country can survive this if we don't start suing everyone responsible for this disaster.
Class Action Lawsuit - Banks for failing on consumer protection. Wall street Lawyers on Insurance fraud (Knowingly insuring a disaster when it is about to be happening violates insurance principles). And AIG for insuring over their back insured capital values (They insured more in value then what all investments are worth worldwide). And the Government for bailing out the pretors on the back of taxpayers and voters.
This is a free speech zone full of trolls. OWS does not support tea party.
But they do support democrats
no, we don't.
hard block. ows is not for obama, obama is a problem and the problem. we need a third party 99 percent party. not obama. obama is part of the problem. please do not post this bs, we do not want to hear any more about obama.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=obama+is+a+corporate+tool
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=270907&mesg_id=270907
http://www.blackcommentator.com/271/271_kir_obama_tool_us_imperialism_printer_friendly.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VthTqvV0WrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk&feature=related
obama is an oligarch. obama is 50 new nuclear plants. obama is a health care law built for the corporations and against the people. obama is denial of kyoto protocol. obama is two new wars. obama is Bush continuation. obama is corrupt. obama is ignorant. obama is the enemy of the people.
AREED! Supporting REAL Democracy is not the same as supporting "Democrats", just as The FED is not in any way federal.
absolutely. "democrats" are in fact oligarchs. they only use "democracy" as a mask, its a transparent lie.
If an individual Dem or even Repub, etc.,wants to support US, fine. If they want to support our movement's issues on a case by case basis, fine. We should not support them unless they support what we are saying. Our issues, not theirs.
Yes.
the only place either movement makes any sense are where issues overlap. where they don't they are likely whiny ignorant people bitching about something.
End the FED is a common sign at protest since the beginning
It's mostly trolls trying to get the Occupy protesters to split. Same with the Libertarians and Paul freaks. I wouldn't pay much attention to them, the real protesters out there protesting are much different then the people spamming this message board.
so what, that's the only demand you can come up with? The 99% includes them,too.
no, here's a much better one I wrote myself, I hope the 99% take it up and rewrite it better together: http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/
We didn't invade your little party - we created your little party.
see below, I agree, but look at what the Tea Party has become. The 99% are the ORIGINAL Tea Partiers that bailed out of the Tea Party as it got CORRUPTED by the GOP. I should know, I was PART of the original Tea Party Movement. I followed it closely from its birth. I told everyone I knew at the time about it, I was full of patriotism, it was the Bush era. The Tea Party was calling Bush a criminal and corporations evil. Back then the Tea Party was LOUD and the protests were fierce and small and nasty because the 1 % was still for the most part UNKNOWN to the general public, so us rebels in the Tea Party were just NUTS to the public. So don't try to educate me about the Tea Party, I might know more than you about it.
You just don't understand bro... look around, this is the Internet. The PC, laptop, the hand-held device... the cables and fiber-optics... servers... the little packets of pulses... this is the hardware, we ourselves are the software, and this is as close we will ever get to the physical facsimile of mass mind.
OWS was born on the Internet in chat rooms. And there was a whole lot of anger going on.
bro? you don't understand, but you will: http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/
I'm not at all in favor of direct democracy.
that's ok, so long as the MAJORITY is
If you are the 99%, then you better get used to the idea of non-liberals being a part of this. Or are you just spouting 99% fully knowing that self proclaimed liberals only make up roughly 20% of the population. Either you welcome different ideas and opinions, or you lose your cause.
As I have said in many other comments Democracy is for EVERYONE, but the point of my post is that there are people trying to INVADE the 99% forum with SLOGANS that are oviously Tea Party slogans. I am also aware of the fact that the original Tea Party Grassroots Movement was actually made by people of the SAME MIND as the 99%-ers now. I watched in horror as the Tea Party movement turned into Palin, Bachman and Paul and then eventually was indestinguishable from the GOP, but was and is reguarded as the EXTREME right GOP. YOU WILL NOT SWALLOW THE 99% LIKE THAT YOU HEAR ME YOU FUCKING DUMBASS ROBOTS!!!
But as soon as you stop being robots, please come share your very valuable opinions and you will be listened to and the ideas that are your best will emerge and become part of a new wonderful world.
The Dems and political left are already posturing to co-opt this movement. If there are not clear and concise goals established soon, you will see the same thing happen here as what happened to the TEA Party.
You are correct, and here's one VERY POSSIBLE goal that's gathering more and more steam right now: http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/
Yeah, there are many who support mob rule not realizing that the minority (whether it's a minority by race, sexual orientation or political philosophy) is shut out and usually oppressed. This "well informed public of the earth" nonsense shows that this movement needs some direction pretty badly before it becomes more of a laughing stock than it already is. The numbers protesting are pretty small, yet they keep saying they are the "99%" while belittling those that don't toe the leftist line. This movement is falling apart faster than Soros or Ad Busters can prop it up.
The latest one is that the tea party and the Occupy movement should combine!!! I see what they are trying to do here, doesn't everyone?
Yup, I'm sure it's a conservative/GOP attempt to co-opt the 99%, as if Moveon weasels and Ohbummer pimps weren't bad enough. Do they need a loud & hearty fuck off, too? Apparently so.
We should NOT combine with any other movement, particularly the Tea Party. They are a wholly owned subsidiary of Koch International. Of CORPORATE AMERICA. No way. No how.
Who's funding your group? Not stirring up shit, but I am curious. I've heard different things, depending on who's giving the info. I do keep hearing the name Soros, and reading about big union support and organization. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected. If this is true.....then it's just another group funded by billionaires....just different ones with a different agenda.
Soros is the bastard behind Moveon.org, a group of Ohbummer pimps and weasels. They've been trying hard to co-opt OWS and the movement, despite being told to stop many many times. Any time you hear the Dem party, Ohbummer, or a Moveon dick say that OWS is behind them, remember, THEY ARE LYING OUT THEIR ASS.
AMEN!