Forum Post: Seriously?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 12:27 p.m. EST by ThisIsStupid
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I'm 17 and havent lived through a lot in my life, but one thing that most people of all ages are pretty clear on is fairness. The world isnt fair, why do you people expect the government and the elite to be fair? I understand your frustration, but it seems many are screaming for fairness, when that cant really be applied to a country of +300 million people. Look at Thomas Hobbes's view of human nature and you'll see why.
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We can expect people to act in their self interest and not always be altruistic. But we can also evolve our laws to better encourage fair play.
I have an associates degree, and am currently being passed over for jobs at MC Donald's as a cashier. I don't mind doing the work as long as the pay is enough to cover my bills which are very few, and put food on the table for my kids. However with the 1% holding onto millions instead of investing it into expanding their companies we end up with a job market that at beast leaves 5 people applying for every job. We have been told that switching from a trickle up economy to a trickle down economy that the jobs would be there. Well it has been nearly 30 years...and still the jobs are not being created fast enough. The fact of the matter we were tricked by politicians who were in the pocket of big business into believing that if we gave the rich tax cuts they would create jobs. They are not and i know why because if i were a business owner even with an extra 10 million in my pocket i wouldn't hire a worker that i don't need. The trickle up economy creates a situation where demand is increased. As the consumers have the money, and will spend it resulting in company's having to hire more people to cover the increased demand. Trickle down economics don't work because the only thing that will motivate a business owner to hire more people is that his company has a need to hire people to make more money....if the 99% don't have the money to spend on goods then there is no reason to hire that worker no matter how many tax cuts you give the rich business owner.
This is what we mean by fair we don't expect them to hand over the cash just create a situation where the money flows and anyone so long as they are willing to work for are able to get enough money to cover basic needs, and achieve a better life.
please don't think like the cynical assholes in DC.
We can do this:
https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/
https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/home/the-steps-to-non-violent-revolution
Where does that idea of "fairness" come from? why would anyone in America think the government should be fair? Why would anyone think there isn't even supposed to be an "elite" in America?
I read it somewhere:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Pretty sure if the government held true to anything they do women and blacks wouldnt have had to fight for freedom and rights. Interest groups/lobbyists wouldnt be around because James Madison structured our federalist government to prevent factions such as those.
So what's the solution? Just stay quiet and do nothing because "life isn't fair"?
@Thisisstupid
Good for you being 17 and on here! "Fairness" is a liberal buzz word. It doesn't really have any meaning. It's used as buzz word to recruit people to their liberal or "Progressive" point of view.
Think about it, if everybody wants things to be "Fair". Right? Who wouldn't want "Fairness". Like in the "Fairness Doctrine". There is nothing fair about the "Fairness Doctrine".
When they say fair, its means they want money, goods services etc. Of course they do not want to pay for it but they fell they are "entitled" to it. Because that would be "fair".
You can even find posts on this site that will tell what words to use, because the radical left doesn't think your smart enough to have command of your own use of the English language.
Think about this..... this site is being run out of Nicaragua, Central America. Your too young to know about it but look up FSLN and the Sandinista Marxist movement.
Have fun and enjoy the debate !
You greatly underestimate my intelligence.
ThisISStupid has a good point.
Why don't we just cut down our country. Why EXACTLY does America have to be this big?
Why can't New England be it's own country? Texas it's own? New York and New Jersey and Pennsylvania can talk with each other. Etc.
What people want is a fair wages and affordable health care and to possibly not have to go hundreds of thousands into debt by getting an education.
you must first your meaning of fair wages. The market determines fair wages based off of the worth an individual offers. Some people believe that having any college degree (ie. music appreciation, or any other meaningless or inapplicable degree) means they should make a lot of money. In the real world, that is surely not the case
Define fair wages. Do you mean like equal payment or what?
I mean servers make $2.15 + tips in some states. I mean many jobs that require a lot of skills are paying $8 an hour because they can get away with it as so many people are desperate to work. I mean FAIR WAGES not equal wages.
Also, fair point
It seems like a lot of the protesters have college degrees and loans, very obvious, but they complain about not having jobs. No one wants to 'lower' themselves to work a job like at a fast food place. Work a shitty job and continue searching for the job that was originally wanted. No one wants to deal with the hardship of the real world after living in such an easy society growing up.
That's really not true. I can only speak for myself, but I am a 40 year old woman and I work a "shitty" part time job to help pay the bills.
What I mean is working a shitty job isnt bad, its just so many of these protesters refuse to take what they can get and expect something great handed to them
And what are you basing this statement on?
The problem is that people are promoting 'fairness' through unfair principles of redistribution of what a man has fairly earned.
Some people wrongly believe that they should be given things for free... and that's a tragedy.
This whole movement is about robbing Peter to pay Paul and then claiming moral credit for the act. It is also about damning Peter for having the money to steal in the first place. Mind you, Paul isn't wrong for accepting the stolen money, because he didn't earn it.
If I am interpreting the arguments correctly, it sounds a lot like the movement is directed towards socialism.
you sound like you don't have a clear idea and understanding of things imo.. and what exactly would be wrong with a socialist government?