Forum Post: Ron Paul is an idiot
Posted 13 years ago on Dec. 23, 2011, 10:07 p.m. EST by sato
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he is bat shit crazy if he would use some common sense instead of ayn rand non sensical prattle he would be better off. no regulation what so ever is insane talk.
Are we better off with an Obama-Ron Paul debate or an Obama-Gingrich debate?
Why is the left so excited about helping that asshole?
Can you see you are helping the corporate media and limbaugh with their propaganda?
First things first. We don't have debates anymore, we have moderated stump speeches where candidates cannot address each other and third parties are excluded.
Thinking that the corporate media cares which candidate wins is delusional. All they care about is getting as much advertising revenue as possible.
The way to do that is to create a false equivalency between the parties. If one side had a huge advantage, they would not have any need to spend money on advertising. But if people are led to believe that the race is "neck and neck", both sides will have to spend every last penny ...
That being said, a BO RP debate - if such a thing were in the realm of possibility - would be highly amusing.
During recent (granted they are lame) debates, Ron Paul was able to express his stance on Iran and how it was all a bunch of lies just like Iraq.
Then he shot to number one in the polls.
Then the media(including Beck and Limbaugh) started attacking him because they are afraid of their propaganda being exposed as lies.
Then the left joins the corporate media to bash Ron Paul because they suddenly think that his connection to someone else's racist writings is THE most important issue in the country!
See the problem?
The debates are a sham, and so are our phony elections.....what I am concerned about is any grain of truth that might come out on our corporate media and trying to prevent the mass murder of millions of Iranians.
You are on it. There are worse racial implications in our aggressive wars than what was written in someone's name twenty years ago. Trillions borrowed and spent perpetuating and expanding bigoted terrorism and its tactics worldwide. Seems a mote versus plank.
Wiggle and squirm, wiggle and squirm.
They do matter.
There's quotes involved too.
Wiggle and squirm.
Mote versus plank, Mote versus plank.
Matter involves substance, which has not gone past accusation.
Whose quotes? I notice word, but I believe deed.
Mote versus Plank.
Deeds?
He whines a lot, and now he wiggles and squirms.
Then there's that dirty, filthy, small minded, little (R) after his name.
I read one of those newsletters, back in the day. They are quite real.
The OP, is accurate. The vetting, is deserved.
I hope it all sees the light of day.
Wiggle and squirm.
Damn, are you talking to yourself again. Maybe its time to take your meds again there dude.
the ones who need meds are ron paul and his deluded supporters.
Really now let me guess everybody else is crazy but oh no not you. I was married to a manic depressant so you can't BS me.
no i am quite sane just like my fellow OWS supporters it is you who is insane you probably think that republicans are gonna sweep the elections next year like the rest of the deluded right wing crowd funny thing is have you seen the latest polls.... ha ha ha ha ha last election was the last gasp of a dead party. progressives will sweep national and state elections next year and you will cry and whine just like the rest of the fleaparty as you come to realize that you are no longer relevant in political discussion.
Who is in office doesn't affect me or my big fat bank account one bit so I really dont give a shit assclown. They are all sold out greedy politicians and Im sure they wouild break Ron Paul one way or the other. Insanity would be a better excuse for you instead of a butt boy brainwashed MSNBC Rachael Madcow worshipping, Huffing glue post homonazi that you are.
the fact that you think you are just gonna continue on as if 2012 is not gonna be the year of OWS is fine with me. be ignorant just more for me when it comes time to deal with your conformist pussy ass i will put your head at the end of my stake try me maybe you have not seen my name i am neither peaceful or non violent so try me and my kind and if you think your gonna just live high on the hog once hyper inflation sets in what will all that worthless paper be worth? if you think that when the levy breaks there will be room for you on highland you better think again. your head on my stake is your future.
You and all you spoiled freaks are imbeciles
Living in the lap of luxury; as if air conditioning is guaranteed as an amendment to the bill of rights.
He's RIGHT. Raw milk is 1,000 times more healthy and nutritious than milk which has all the nutrients cooked out of it.
You stinking ignorant little shits think you know more than a medical doctor who has practiced medicine make me sick.. This forum is filled with you little birdbrains dropping your loads of birdshit everywhere you can..
Did you ever get any help for your Borderline Personality Disorder?
Did you ever get a brain?
The answer is: no.
People don't really like you here
Why don't you tell these people what you told me? How could it hurt? You could win one or two of them over
He's a bigot for sure... The Birchers love him
Do you have a problem with bigots? There are around 6.5 billion bigots in the world. Who are you to judge almost the entire human race? You think your better than everybody? What makes you so righteous and special?
OIC.
Along with his other "issues", now he's a closet globalist.
And so are you, it would seem.
You sure like to put people down a lot. Does it make you feel bigger and better? Do you feel smawter?
Just pointing out the flaws in your argument.
I don't feel smawter at all, a bit more savvy, perhaps
Mr. P is a sham, has been for decades now.
You're an ignorant asshole troll get off this forum
Apparently not. You should seek help immediately. There are mental health clinics in every city and municipality across the country. Treatment is free of you need it, I'm sure they would welcome you.
Really, it's for your own good, as well as those around you (assuming of course that anyone can stand to be around you).
hey i think our soldiers should be as comfortable as can be made on a battlefield and if that means air conditioning so be it i would venture to say a comfortable well rested soldier is a better soldier... i am not opposed to raw milk however ending all regulation of business and industry is well bat shit crazy michelle bachman style and his ayn rand take on capitalism is as insane as her worship of a serial killer.
You are another idiot. Why don't you give all the soldiers sofas on the battlefield?
That way they can be lie down on the job and be real real comfy while their asses are being shot off.
Give them steak dinners and free popcorn and beer and pretzels and let them all watch movies and stuff their faces until they weigh 260 lbs like you do so they can't walk farther than the corner liquor store. That way you'll have lots of comfy dead corpses. Why do you think soldiers have to go through basic training? you fucking idiot: They have basic training to acclimatize themselves to the rigors of all-out war and that means HARDSHIP: getting up EARLY: running every day: VERY LITTLE FOOD: hard ass TRAINING: lose weight get in shape get some MUSCLES.
When you are not in shape: when you are fat and lazy and 'comfy' with air conditioning and you are forced out of the comfy office into the field of battle where it is 120 degrees: sudden;y you have HEAT STROKE and your battle plans don't work because your soldiers were too fucking 'comfy'.
The reason the Al Quaeda have been kicking your ass all these years is because they are NOT comfy: they are trained to hard desert conditions and they can outlast and outperform your troops every day of he week.
Ron Paul is not Ayn Rand: so toss that red herring back up your brain
Point well made. Make the US soldiers hard as nails. If we have to be there, then let us kick their ass and take their names and come home once and for all
Ok vote for Obama, but Im gona vote for the only candidate who is against NDAA, SOPA, Patriot Act, the iraq war, The drug war, War with Iran, War with Syria, assassinations of USA citizens and Bank Bailouts/corporatism. What one of those is Obama against again? Oh right NONE! Enjoy your march toward a police state.
I don't think Obama's any good but Ron Paul is no good at all. He makes Obama seem like a hero.
Just from the article you have a guy that is: against federal regulation, ok with drugs and prostitution, against spending in our troops, against welfare, ok with prosecuting CIA and ok with Iran being a threat
In summary: an idiot. All of that he opposes or is ok with has a reason to be the way it is. Don't be fooled because he's telling you a few things you can agree with so you ignore his foolish positions overall.
"ok with drugs and prostitution" -- No. Just not willing to dictate his distaste as federal policy. Can't legislate morality. Nor is it correct to try.
"against spending in our troops" -- No. Not willing to use them in violent aggression against innocents.
"against welfare" -- Not what we've promised, but ready to move on to a better way of taking care of people, especially the most vulnerable.
"In summary: " -- You're an idiot for thoughtlessness in regards to these issues. Give some respect and support to those who would like to agree with you, and something besides blah blah blah, no-good, foolish idiots.
i will never vote for rp because of his stance on my reproductive rights. doesn't he have his own website?? why is he spamming ours???
It's hard for some people not to take certain expressions of "reproductive rights" to be tantamount to violence, and some would say eugenics. (Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg).
Whether destroying populations in Africa/ME or in our own cities, we have allowed the culling. Many who support these population reduction agendas appreciate the help of the "non-reproduction rights" folks. We have to be careful of these federally funded and supported wars on the underclass and minorities. Every war seems to hit them hardest. Are we a better people because we abort? Only as proof of general tolerance for this largely wicked practice. I don't like it, either, can you tell? But I don't want to be ruled by either side of the division, nor should I like to contribute to either side. I sure as hell don't want government force and funding used to coerce compliance with either side at any level. There are few, if any, decisions that are more personal, and as such, I would prefer zero public involvement, especially from the notoriously tyrannical feds.
Yes, without a doubt, he is not quite as intelligent as people like to give him credit for.
I'm glad you don't have the same problem, girlfriday. You let it all hang out and let us decide. I can at least respect that about you.
The ad hoc borg mind of RP supporters is smarter than he is. It's not about the man, it's about his relentlessly consistent and indicative message. That message doesn't include much of the crap that is attempted to be attributed to it. I am a fan of 90+% of what Jefferson stood for and embodied. I have to really cherry-pick to find the ugly, and the least I can do is accept him as a human being with a great mind and a consistent message and manner still valid to this day.
RP reminds me of my sweet , loveable 85 year old grandmother that thinks we need more Christianity in the government
That's likely her prism. I don't think you can say the same for Ron Paul's principled separation of religion and politics, standing up for the rights of other religions without necessarily endorsing them.
Some religions teach us love better than others. And Murder Never Was Love.
Nader gave us the Iraq war -
Just think of the fun America will have if you vote for another third party!
You gotta believe –
the only ones who don’t want you to vote Democratic-
the tea potty !
THE BEST THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE =
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@--> A 1992 passage from the Ron Paul Political Report about the Los Angeles riots read, “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks.”
In another newsletter asserted that people with AIDS should not be allowed to eat in restaurants because “AIDS can be transmitted by saliva”;
@--> In 1990 one of his publications criticized Ronald Reagan for having gone along with the creation of the federal holiday honoring the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., which it called “Hate Whitey Day.”
@--> Other issues of Paul’s newsletter called Barbara Jordan, the African-American Texas congresswoman, a “half-educated victimologist” and said of crime in Washington, D.C., “I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”
@--> ”If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." - Ron Paul, 1992
@--> "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." - Ron Paul, 1992
@--> "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such." - Ron Paul, 1992
@--> Paul’s newsletter was listed by a neo-Nazi group called Heritage Front, as recommended reading
The September 1994 issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report states that “those who don’t commit sodomy, who don’t get blood a transfusion, and who don’t swap needles, are virtually assured of not getting AIDS unless they are deliberately infected by a malicious gay.”
@--> In the April 1993 Ron Paul Survival Report, the author--writing in the first person--states, “Whether [the 1993 World Trade Center bombing] was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a Jewish friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the Islamic fundamentalists, matters little.”
Sadly, @--> ”If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." - Ron Paul, 1992 ,
.....this one is true, personal experience, word, tried to kill me too with his car.
Most of these are not true. You probably got these "quotes" from a leftist media outlet. Even if some of these are true, all I can say, and all anyone can say, is that people are people and people make mistakes. These "Quotes" came from 1992, a time when generally all white people were afraid of the LA Riots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKBlk1Vpeuw Ron Paul's responces to his so called "racist newsletters."
We ARE smart enough to handle things our way... and as far as Government regulations go, he'd like to put the power of those decisions mentioned in the article in the hands of citizens and state governments... Nothing dumb about that.
Okay, do I agree with all of his views, no, in fact I like Roemer better, but he is the second best shot. Wish there were more, but there isn't. The rest of the candidates running are all shills. Paul wants government out of business and business out of government. With no corporate welfare what do you think will become of the poor business models that help feed corruptions?
Mandating laws of commerce will fall to the states, were it should be, unless the commerce spreads beyond state or international lines, as it says in Article 8 of the constitution. Government of the federal level should be limited to this stature and to protect the rights according to the constitution of actual citizens.
We've become so reliant on the government that we can't even manage our own lives it seems without them babying us and now it takes advantage of that, threatening to take away our "privileges" if we don't bend to it's needs, and the only ones who have say now are the ones putting money into the pockets of those who make the laws. It's a mess of a system.
Ron Paul isn't the final solution, but a chance at a reset or at least an attempt to.
Welfare is needed in economics. Recessions are much worse without it, that's the reason it exists even when the 1% dominate this country.The problem I see with welfare is that it should help people get back in track and not allow them to live from government help. He's messing with the average Joe.
Government is involved in corporations to favor the citizens. Corporations would otherwise give us low quality products in order to maximize profits. Laws like ADA protect affected individuals just like discrimination laws protect people's rights. He's messing with the average Joe once again in favor of corporations. Who's pulling his strings? The 1%
Lastly, he has no idea at all about what our security means. He wants to look the other way to Iran's nuclear threat. He wants to prosecute the CIA and to remove our troops. 9/11 happened because we didn't have enough intel to see it coming and prevent it. In regards to security, RP sounds like a true traitor to our nation.
Really now? It's about personal responsibility. If you do not like a business's actions, you vote with your dollar (look into the recent Go Daddy incident when they went with SOPA). Problem is no one wants to take personal responsibility because we've been dumb down and suckled to the teat of federal government holding our hand.
As for were I personally think government has power to regulated, well any interstate or international trade in regards to the welfare of the nation, yes. But regulation isn't suppose to be used as a tax or a payout. You cannot just print up money and call it good. It has to come from somewhere, and that's your pocket, be it via taxes directly from your pocket, the increase in prices (inflation), or the pockets of our decendents in the form of debt.
WE CANNOT AFFORD YOUR UTOPIA. It's the real world, and that is how it is.
What regulation is for, as you put it, is correct, to protect the rights of citizens, those given to us by our foundation in the constitution.
Also, we can try to police the world, but once again, we can't afford it and it will lead to our downfall. The US has an inflated ego of itself. We are a great country, but we cannot play these games anymore. 9/11 happened because we did not just fail at intelligence, because we tried to play essentially god in the form of a omnipresent empire who sought to control the world in the name of self appointed justice. Did it make what happened right? No, but to blindly ignore everything with a sight of vengeance and malice will only continue this cycle.
Besides, the USSR had far more dangerous capabilities (They could scorch the world over a thousand times, actually more like 10 :P) but they didn't because that would get them nothing. Preemptive wars do nothing but create malice, were reactive only makes us the hero.
If you want real traitors, look about congress to those who sold us out to foreign powers and non American entities known as the corporations. Ron Paul is for capitalism, but it's far different then our system of economy, which by definition is corporatism.
I'm not proposing an utopia. I'll use the example my professor use and hope it serves you to understand the reasoning behind welfare. Assume 50 displaced workers. Without welfare their acquisitive power reduces to 0 and they can't buy goods. If this is replicated all around the nation, the shops can't sell goods. Therefore, shops report losses and probably will displace another 50 workers creating a ripple effect. Economy is weakened. Now, with welfare, the same families have a reduced income but they can still buy goods. That mitigates the problem. They can still buy albeit less than when they worked. It's not an utopia, it's the way the world works. It's not personal responsibility when your employers displace you to move operations to wherever. Helping the lower tiers of society helps everyone overall. Don't you remember the old american spending policy in which the president asked Americans to spend?
Our problem is our low level of social mobility. Our problem is that government should say Ok, I ll help you but you must get on your feet and help yourself too. We should make sure everyone gets an education. Especially, the minorities who most of the time drop out of school and don't have the proper tools to find a job.
Our foreign policy is to help countries get control of their own country so they can take care of threats themselves. Threats that could sometimes affect us directly. We need more influence in the middle east area so they learn from us and stop their violent ways. The problem is they feel threatened to lose their identities and reject us at times but the world always calls us when they need us and we are there to answer. You don't realize the cost it would have to the US if terrorists were for example to disrupt our oil trade which comes mostly from the middle east.
We can afford this if we make proper use of our government funds. We used to be in the positive before. We can get there once again with responsible spending and without compromising on vital policies. We are the greatest nation in the world and we are rich in resources.
Ron Paul is just asking for votes. He is promising a capitalism that doesn't help the people but corporations.
Mr. P is a republican.
They got us in this mess.
Plus, like OP says he's an idiot.
Actually Democrats did as well, the repeal of Glass Stegall was signed in by Clinton (as well as the infamous Sugar Act). It was also something Paul opposed (along with the Patriot Act). Also the 1913 Federal Reserve act was created by the Democratic Party at the time, and past by president Wilson, another Democrat. So all in all whether you have a (D) or and (R) really means squat. Both work (for the most part) for the all mighty dollar.
IE, both Obama and McCain's biggest backers during 08 were banks and mortgage companies, check Open Secret's website for more info.
Mr. P has that dirty little (R) next to his name.
Must I repeat that once again?
The only people trying hard to convince me that there is no difference are republicans.
There is a difference.
I don't hear ANY of the crap the teabaggers are pushing coming from the democrats.
I don't hear the hatred of unions, coming from the democrats.
Democrats didn't raise my taxes, teabaggers did.
Democrats didn't gut consumer protection agencies, republicans did.
Democrats don't constantly threaten and lie about social security, republicans do.
Republicans are the original government crooks and they are still the worst.
I will say this one more time.
Mr. P is republican.
There is a difference.
Actually he's a Libertarian trying to fix the Republican Party. Also I'm not an R, I don't place myself in a little bubble and dance like a puppet. I'm an independent. The closest thing I am in any sort of way is a Constitutionalists of the Jefferson persuasion, even then not completely.
Democrats created the Income tax, Democrats helped pass the repeal of Glass Steagall and Reaganomics that screwed up the system. Did they do it alone? Fuck no, the Republican Party holds the same level of blame.
Social Security funds are constantly rerouted to other things during the budgeting times by both parties, that's why it's breaking. Hell social security is suppose to be optional, but now your forced into it because if you don't take your number, you can't work.
Republicans aren't even the original crooks (though doesn't excuse many of their actions today). I recommend you look up Alexander Hamilton, now there is one crooked politician. Hell look up the debates and attacks Jefferson (State Power) and Washington (Federal Power) had going for one another.
All in all your very blinded by bias. It's like trying to explain things to the Soda Head crowd. For some reason most there see me as a Liberal Obamanite, were here I guess I'm now going to be a Right wing Nut job.
You people need to escape this false dichotomy of black and white, red and blue. It's pointless and childish.
Childish, is not actually responding to a thing I said.
I know you Paulie boys like to think it's still the 17th century,and want Mr. P to take you back there.
It's not going to happen.
Besides, I was speaking of the republican crooks, of my life time.
You say, Mr. P is a republican, who's not a republican.
He has the (R) after his name on the ballot.
You say, the "other" libertarians don't like him.
So then you say, Mr. P is a libertarian, who's not a libertarian.
That, in and of itself, makes Mr. P., a lie.
This is true.
Yet still, there's that dirty little (R), next to his name.
The one that brings back the first time I saw Nixon say, " I am not a crook".
The first time I heard someone mention "tax and spend democrats"
Then I think that old tax raiser Reagan, and his cohort daddy Bush.
LIARS!!!!!!!!!!
Both of whom, along with W, cut funding to the very same agencies Mr. P wants to eliminate.
Agencies that were in working order before the cuts.
Oh yes, Mr. P is very much a republican, and either a wily liar, or a complete dupe.
So, which do you think he is?
PS. Innocent, American citizens died, right here at home, over this agenda Mr. P and his cohorts have been moving us towards.
Not so, for the democrats, who fought in vain against these things.
There is a very real difference.
Actually our fundamental system isn't the flaw, it's the level of bureaucracy it has become. He's not saying to go back to the 17th century, but to move foreward we need to stop becoming reliant on the Federal Level for everything. Big business fears him because they know they will get cut off of support. Most regulation is tax that doesn't effect big companies and payouts that do.
He was fine with glass steagall in place (for good reason) because the monetary system is suppose under the congress constitutional control. What is not is the housing market.
I never said LIbertarians hate him, that's just a blatant lie in your argument. You also have hate for anyone with the label of Republican. You use labels to define people, when really you cannot define an individual that way in the real world. It's oversimplification of a person in the same way racial/ethnic stereotypes oversimplify a group.
Also when I think of crooked politicians I find it swings all ways: Hamilton, the original American Politician working for corrupt outside interest (European Banks) (Federalist)
Wilson, sold our country out for an corrupt Federal Reserve System that is the start of our economic woes. My Worst President in History pick. (Democrat)
Nixon, put another nail in the coffin by putting us full Fiat, also started the Neo-Con movement via the Southern Strategy that destroys the republican party to this day by drawing in the racist Southern Democrats in (also known as the Dixiecrats) (R)
LBJ, a disgusting relic of the Dixiecrats and a staunch racist. (D)
Reagan, two faced coward who could have done great things till he pulled a 180 after an assassination attempt. Some think "who could blame him", but you need balls to be a president. Oh and Iran Contra. (R)
Clinton, allowed the formation of a government mandated monopoly with the Sugar Act that cost millions a year to dispose of excess crop to keep prices up and block imports. Also with the Republican Congress passed the repeal of Glass Stegall Banking regulations, allowing the environment that lead to the financial collapse in the housing/loans market. (D)
You know who opposed the patriot act: Paul Opposed the repeal of Glass Steagall: Paul Opposed each war over the last few decades or what Clinton called "Conflicts": Paul
You know who voted for them: Not just republicans, but almost all democrats in office at the time. Look up the records, you might be shocked.
Does he want to end medicare? Yes, over time and get a system that works better. He doesn't want Corporatism, which is what we have, he wants a competitive market were the consumer decides, which is how capitalism works. He even said he won't pull the plug on it right away and what ever money is put into it will stay in it (unlike what the Dems and Reps are doing now with the budget)
The places he wants to cut are all state level things that should be handled by their states. Over reaching federal power only causes more division. What should be controlled is infrastructure, which is one part I tend to actually disagree with him.
He believes it should just be roads and the postal system, I believe it should also include water, power, communication, as all are essential in modern infrastructure.
All that copy and paste, and you still couldn't respond to what I said.
Mr. P still has that filthy little (R) next to his name.
Was that from CATO?
Why don't you explain it in your own words.
Lazy?
So he has an R and thats all you judge him by? I did answer but that's all you got. That sir is called blind bias and gets you nothing. And why can you not explain why I gave examples of the wrongs of both sides. Explain why so many Democrats supported segregation in the 50's and 60's? It took the greatness of Kennedy to fix it, and he was quickly hated by his fellow dems at the time.
Edit: actually I wrote that out as well. I'm a fast typer, but you have to be in Software Design.
Edit 2, electric boogaloo: On CATO, it doesn't matter, considering that is post Libertarian Tea Party. After the sucess of the money bomb done by individuals for Ron Paul support, Neo-Con GOP saw potential in sucking it in and thus stuck to the Tea Party like a tick to a dog. I personally have a deep seeded hate in GOP for this because it ruined the ideology and turned the Tea Party from a ideology of freeing the nation from corruption in government to a disgusting hateful group it has now become.
What's scary is the way the media is now trying to play the Occupy movement in the same way by turning it from independent to far left liberal in much the same manner. I hate partisanship to it's core and it's for this very reason.
Pretty good ignore what I said, once again.
Convolutions, everywhere.
What's scary is your blind belief, that Mr. P isn't a republican.
He is, or he wouldn't have that nasty, ugly, little (R), next to his name.
The simple fact, that you couldn't respond to anything I said, other than CATO, is very telling.
You say you hate partisanship, yet MR. P is the most extremely partisan of them all.
Dr. No, I believe he's been called.
Just like today's republicans.
Everything he wants to do that I agree with, he want's for reasons I don't agree with.
Reasoning is important. Mr. P, is not very good at it.
I have a thousand more reasons, why Mr. P is wrong for America.
I've had over 3 months practice right here on this forum.
8 years of Bush and the republicans have fucked my country up.
Republicans and teabaggers are fucking up my State as we type.
Instituting libertarian style legislation.
Why in the hell, would I ever trust another one?
I only ignore what you've said when it is nothing of value or basically untrue or one sided ignoring all the facts. Basically your the equivalent of a Glen Beck believer only you've been drinking the blue kool-ade instead of the red.
You just can't understand it.
You just can't accept the truth.
Everything I said was of high value, because it is all true.
Every word.
I'm so far from Glenn Beck, you couldn't imagine.
I actually read books.
I worked for over 40 years, and had my eyes wide open the whole time.
I drink coffee i get from a local shop.
The platform of Mr. P is nothing but pure kool-ade.
Refreshing, but there's really nothing about it.
I'm sorry for the FACT that you can't accept that Mr. P is republican, just like the rest of them, but the truth is, he is.
He's just worse.
Your eyes are only half open and focus one one thing. Reading books is all good, but if your only reading books that tell you what you want to hear then your gaining nothing. I've given you actual history and facts that are the reality of our political history, many that people often glaze over on both sides. Also you seem to think that I agree with everything Paul stands for, but as I've stated I don't. It's a matter of who fits the best and who I think can do the best job.
Personally I want Buddy Roamer because his views on removing all financial influence from government, but sadly he's even more ignored than Paul was in 08.
If in 40 years you cannot see that the affiliation of party doesn't matter and is nothing more than superficial and that our current bureaucracy is one of the major contributing factors, than I'm sorry.
I explained in numerous ways, how the 2 parties are not identical.
I also explained how well Mr. P fits into the republican zietgiest.
You choose to ignore all that, and come back with the same repeated response.
Please don't suggest that I am the one who's brain washed, when you can't think beyond the campaign crap on his web site.
Please don't offer the Mr. P " fits" crap either, as I've given ample examples of how he only "fits" with republicans that fucked up my country. The republicans that created the bureaucracy you wail about.
Not when almost everything you've said about republicans is propaganda. All the while ignoring everything I've said.
Everything you've said about democrats is, republican propaganda.
You have the blinders on, not me.
As far as what you think Mr. P stands for?
He desires to re-create the civil war.
I'd prefer not to.
Don't judge the whole party on Bush. Dems did their part too. It only seems like the Reps did it because the President was a Rep.
People also like to accuse the Reps for being stupid and ignorant because of Bush's funny mispronunciation and speech mistakes. When Obama says stuff like "I've traveled to all 57 states of America," or doesn't understand British ceremonies, the Reps don't judge the Dems on those mistakes.
Strange, I didn't mention him in my post.
In fact you avoided everything in my post.
There is a difference.
Mr. P is a republican.
Republicans, are the number one crooks.
Deceivers and liars, first and foremost, all the way back to Nixon.
Teabaggers raised my taxes!!!!
I know for a fact that you and mostly everybody (in my generation at least) hate the Reps because of Bush's failures.
Then tell me.
What is it you think the republicans have to offer?
Less taxes, less Government, less Government spending, Less Military in foreign affairs (Ron Paul only), Increased Border and Home-Turf Defense, Education reform.
Basically Reaganomics - increased production instead of consumption, No more Inflation, Less Debt (by a lot), More Employment.
Going back to the US Constitution ( Ron Paul by far the most).
Actually Reaganomics helped expand the wealth gap and increased the tax burden. It's one reason Paul left Reagan side due to the fact that Reaganomics was more Corporatism than Capitalism.
Republicans have taxed us worse than the democrats.
Republicans gave us the largest government, by far.
It's not a question of less government, It's a question of effective government.
Republicans have over and over reduced government effectiveness.
All the while making it larger.
If you really want smaller government, start with the States. Maintaining 50 of them is redundant and wasteful.
They are even easier to corrupt, and the corruption harder to remove.
Reaganomics, is why we are, where we are.
He proved, "deficits don't matter".
Just admit it and move on. His recession lasted almost 10 years. How do expect the current administration to fix this one in even less time?
Mr. P has a rather warped sense of the constitution.
Indeed, his vision just continues what the republicans have been doing all along.
I've lived through much of what the republicans offer, and it stinks.
They screwed up my State once, and are doing it again.
I don't like them.......at all.
They are liars, of the most insidious sort.
They don't like me. They don't like my wife. They don't like my daughter.
They have done NOTHING good in the 60 years.
Why do you think they are going to suddenly change their ways?
Mr. P has that same nasty little (R) next to his name, and make no mistake. It's there because he is an (R).
Nothing more, and nothing less.
He is a lie personified.
I go back the that old time republican crook, Nixon.
They've just gotten worse over time.
Ahh, so know you judge the Reps because the Richard The Dick Nixon.
Copypasta much?
No. Do you?
I don't have to, I lived it.
I didn't have to listen to anyone tell me.
I didn't have to google it.
I lived it. Still am living it, thank God.
I pray for the day the teabaggers, go away. Like good little Galts, off to the Gulch.
Like all good, lying republicans, they raised my taxes, and gave me nothing in return. Nothing, is what they are good for.
. Merry Christmas.
Well actually I agree with what Tea Party has become is disgusting on the front end, because it had a good ideology at the start in 07, then it was hijacked be the republicans during 08 (fucking Palin).
I also don't want the same thing to happen to Occupy by the "Liberal side". I feel that we are being played to their tune as opposition to the Tea Party in a game of distraction from real issues in the way. Though Occupy is surprisingly resistant to it. As someone from both the original Tea Party 07 rallies and the A99 discussions that became Occupy, I hope it stays that way. :)
And despite our "war of words" I wish you a Merry Christmas as well, since it is that time. Have a safe holiday and thanks for the discussion.
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Corporate media all over Ron Paul...why?
Why don't Occupy protesters try to see the good here? He certainly is better than the other choices in the republican party. He is bringing up issues that the elite do not like at all, which is why he is being attacked incessantly by the corporate media, both sides of the political spectrum and your attacks fit perfectly with Glenn Beck and Limbaugh. Limbaugh and Glenn Beck(huge Israel supporter) are going after him for racism too....what does that tell you?
He is calling for an end giving Israel money and who can argue with that?
After Demanding Patriot Missiles as Protection from Iran, Israel Sells Secret US Technology to China http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/23/breaking-patriot-missiles-seized-sold-to-china-by-israel/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=breaking-patriot-missiles-seized-sold-to-china-by-israel
He just called the other Republicans out on their bullshit on the war in Iran, telling everyone on national TV that they are using the same faulty excuses they used in Iraq. Quite frankly, he is the best thing going on the corporate news these days.
And after he stood up to the Iran BS....his rankings in the polls went through the roof...what does that tell you Occupy?
Even the Republican party is not buying the BS of the corporate media, or their own stupid ass talking heads Beck and Limbaugh.
The people are leading the Republican party now, and the powers that be cannot stand it.
Now why would Occupy try to put down such an encouraging development?
What's the deal with this weird ass obsession with the utterly irrelevant candidacy of Ron Paul? The guy never had a chance, and certainly doesn't now; it's seriously OCD, like a person obsessing on JFK conspiracy theories or a pathological fear of germs or something.
Also, when did this website stop its practice of autocorrecting "Ron Paul" to "Ron Lawl"? That was seriously stupid, like a bad SNL sketch that wasn't funny the first 20 seconds that lingers on for 9 tortuous minutes.
Seriously, there are better things to obsess on than the irrelevant, hopeless candidacy of this Ron Paul geek.
It's really sad... the FDA has been infiltrated by Monsanto. Someone needs to regulate the regulators.
Kind of off topic but Obama is a fraud.
Wall Street's takeover of the Obama administration is now complete. "The mega-banks and their corporate allies control every economic policy position of consequence. Mr. Obama has moved rapidly since the November debacle to install business people where it counts most. Mr.William Daley from JP Morgan Chase as White House Chief of Staff. Mr. Gene Sperling from the Goldman Sachs payroll to be director of the National Economic Council. Eileen Rominger from Goldman Sachs named director of the SEC's Investment Management division. Even the National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon, was executive vice president for law and policy at the disgraced Fannie Mae after serving as a corporate lobbyist with O'Melveny & Roberts. The keystone of the business friendly team was put in place on Friday. General Electric Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Immelt will serve as chair of the president's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-brenner/barack-obama-out-of-the-c_b_813027.html
He supported the bailouts of a fraudulent financial system that is extracting wealth from our country and stealing people's pensions and homes. The bailout money was used by the federal reserve to create 7.7 trillion dollars out of thin air for their own private interest, and Obama has yet to do anything about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXPINPwp4w "Is this the United States congress, or the board of directors of Goldman Sachs?"-Dennis Kucinich
The Federal Reserve is not a government agency. It's a private for profit bank ran by frauds. Its a Ponzi scheme where they issue debt created from thin air and then they STEAL your tax money and put it in their wallets and their cronies' pockets. You know those trillions of dollars in government debt? Who do you think pays the interest on it?!?! WE DO! The Federal Reserve has no accountability and create trillions of dollars out of thin air for their own private interests all the while devaluing our US dollar. You don't see Obama trying to correct this fraudulent system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YimTs6Q_xD0
He's bombed more countries than Bush. Countries like Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan... etc
He extended the Bush tax cuts.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20026069-503544.html
He never actually closed guantanamo bay.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/guantanamo-bay-how-the-white-house-lost-the-fight-to-close-it/2011/04/14/AFtxR5XE_story.html
He lied about ending the wars in Iraq and the current withdrawal was scheduled by the Bush administration. And there is a billion dollar military base in Iraq and I guarantee you that it aint empty.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-iraq_n_1032507.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUTYL8HfCGo
He also supported the patriot act, which essentially deletes the 4th amendment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqXmQYHV-1I
He's started unconstitutional acts of war against Libya, which he spoke out against when Bush did that to Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVo7-gOkqo
Obama signed for the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial into law under provisions of the NDAA and "designates the world as the battlefield and that includes the homeland." -quote senator Lindsey Graham who supported the bill and argued in it's favor.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/12/14/us-refusal-veto-detainee-bill-historic-tragedy-rights
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/obama_to_sign_indefinite_detention_bill_into_law/ “This bill [the NDAA] authorizes permanent warfare anywhere in the world. It gives the president unchecked power to pursue war. It diminishes the role of this Congress. The founders saw Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, which places in the hands of Congress the war power, as essential to a check and balance against the executive abuse of power. This legislation diminishes Congress' role in that regard.” - Dennis Kucinich In reference to the passing of the new NDAA the Armed Services Committee released this,"the threats posed by al Qaeda cells in Yemen and Africa underscore the evolving and continuing nature of the terrorist threat to the United States. The Conference Report ensures the United States will have the ability to meet this threat and neutralize terrorists from these groups and conduct effective interrogations." More war for Obama!
http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=23d194d7-78c9-4c57-b2d9-31bc3bb7daeb
List of terrorist organizations our country could start war with and the countries they're in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations
"This [the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011] designates the WORLD as the battlefield... and that includes the homeland."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzFygkHgi34
Next stop Africa and Yemen!!! Maybe Iran or Syria next? Fulfill that cold war with some Operation Northwoods and go to war with Russia? Who knows? It's the government. It's a threat to national security to tell you the truth all the time.Maybe China a few years from now?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/obama-heads-to-asia-with-sharp-focus-on-chinas-growing-power/2011/11/10/gIQAOsQkBN_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/obama-us-to-send-250-marines-to-australia-in-2012/2011/11/16/gIQAO4AQQN_blog.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk
“We suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity.” -Cass R Sunstein, Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the Obama administration.
Oh and don't forget about this Hour long presentation in congress about Al Qaeda members being the Libyan rebels, as well as extremists, rapists, and murderers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G0pUEU603Q&list=FLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=42&feature=plpp_video
In case any of you don't like the first video because it's a republican here is super Liberal Dennis Kucinich railing against Al Qaeda in the rebels as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSUnluGSOdM&list=FLEwSllwonAZBCc7W3e27_dQ&index=43&feature=plpp_video
And here is an article on the Libyan rebel leader admitting to having a bunch of Al Qaeda members in his "rebellion" which is actually just terrorism.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
And to all the remaining Obama fans, please don't try and accuse me of being in favor of Newt Gingrich or tell me some bullshit about McCain Palin. My criticism for Obama is simply based around facts and in no way means I support a GOP agenda. Obama is a fraud and so is Newt Gingrich.
Somehow I can't take anybody seriously that thinks bitterly resisted 19th century capitalism is the vision we should have for the future
No need to be serious about it. Provide your suggested reform or replacement and lets chat about it.
I'm sure it's not his fault I said
I'm sure it isn't his fault . . . .
The patriot missiles NEVER FUCKING WORKED as advertised, the reason for transferring the technology to Russia is because they have the best Jewish Scientists on Earth in Russia. But even the Russians couldn't make the 'Patriot' work, cuz it was 99% marketing, the simple fact is that Raytheon sold the Mossad a bunch of fucking junk, and they needed Russia to prove the point.
OWS is is a front for the PoliceState.
OBAMA-OREO is MORE BUSH THAN BUSH.
OBAMA is owned by CORZINE&DIMON, even BUSH wasn't bought and paid for by CORZINE.
The Tea-Baggers, while mis-guided essentially understand that the USA is a fucking mess, on the other hand OWS simply thinks that THEFT of other people's money is the solution to the problem.
Tea-Bagger's know that the fucking police state is the problem,
While the OWS condemns police actions like chemical spraying and beating of protesters, in fact they NEVER call for the ABOLITION of the police itself, the reason is that OWS is is a front for the PoliceState.
Teabaggers raised my taxes. they are filthy liars.
Just like the rest of the republicans.
Crooks.
OWS bitches want more taxes also, everyone of the parasites wants to steal more from others.
TEA is supposed to mean 'taxed enough already', but having been co-opted by the republicans, it now just means sucking another mans balls.
OWS is a front for Jewish feminist Nazi A I P A C bitches on the LIKUD payroll, their only goal is keep the US public focused on genitals,
TEA-OWS are same-same
Goodness, but you're confused.
Teabaggers were formed and backed by the Kochs.
They were dirty little (R)s from the beginning.
They weren't co-opted, just more republican liars.
Just part of the agenda of Kochs multi pronged marketing/PR machine.
They were born of propaganda, right down to insisting the REAL tea party was about taxes.
Teabaggers raised my taxes!
That genital thing, is apparently working only on you.
It shows in your post.
'Tea' meant 'taxed enough already'
IMHO at the beginning long before KOCH was instilled in your mind the Tea-Baggers ( guys who sit on other mens faces with no underwear ) were an anti-tax group, ... Thus that's why they love ron-paul.
But they were co-opted by the PUG's aka KOCH money.
Like OWS came from Canada,... had some good ideas then the NYC crowd of BIG jewish left AIPAC money got involved and turned OWS into re-elect 2012 OREO-OBAMA.
'shooz' you talk like everybody gets their talking-points from faux-news, .. IMHO there are a few good men&women in the USA and not many, and I REMIND YOU I NOT LIVE IN USA, so I not fucking fear a "KNOCK ON THE DOOR FOR WHAT I POST HERE",.. but good men&women first joined the TEA-PARTY cuz they saw it as a way 'fix' the USA police state, but they were co-opted by the PUG's to vote REPUG.
The same will be done next year to OWS sheep, they will be co-opted to vote for OREO, ... and faux-news will say its all paid for by SOROS,
Tell me this is there ANYONE here on the OWS-FORUM getting a check from SOROS? I'm not
It's the same with KOCH, yes he's rich but he doesn't control anybody, yes he gives a lot of money to the PUG party, but so fucking what, the richest man in CALIFORNIA a guy name resnick gives 100's of million to the PUG&DEM parts equally every year, real billionaires all give equal amounts so that way they win either way,... nobody cares about left or right its all an illusion for morons,
SHOOZ I think your a moron, cuz you believe in this left and right shit, and that KOCH or SOROS control you dick, ... they don't ... your a free man and can play with your dick anytime you wish.
But in the USA that is the ONLY freedom you have to play with your dick, in a private place :)
Yeah, that was the pre-press reports on the teabaggers.
You are being exceptionally insulting today.
I don't believe in winged parties either, but that doesn't mean I can't identify certain competing forces within and without my government.
You should look into how " multi-pronged marketing/PR" is done. It's very effective.
Your post is infected with it.
Teabaggers always were (R)s. That's why they took to Palin like puppy dogs, without the least bit of prodding.
Please do, masturbate only in private. It's not that much to ask.
Many tea-baggers were anti government people WHO never in their lives would have voted PUG, but they came OUT for the TEA ( anti-tax ) cause, and then they were riled up by the tit's & ass of PALIN, ... and then corralled over to the PUG TENT.....
The same will happen to OWS the SHEEP are already corralled with their OWS-CONSENSUS pavlovian double-think and next year they'll be told to VOTE-OBAMA to save the world.
I hate the fucking PUG&DEM party's an I I don't like RON PAUL, because I know that you can't even ENTER the US-CONGRESS unless your a WHORE.
It could be worse.
They could vote for Bachmann.
You should stop whoring for the "multi-pronged marketing/PR" guys.
Karl Rove, loves ya baby.
You should stop whoring for the "multi-pronged marketing/PR" guys.
Why do you keep posting this BOT-SHIT. Rather than sound bites or talking points, why don't you tell us what you think? Tell us your agenda. Why are you here? What do you wish to accomplish, or do they teach this shit to OWS-BOTS anymore?
I'm gonna go make Christmas dinner in a bit.
That's my agenda.
What's yours?
xmas has long passed and nobody plays that game here we don't have walmart, today is 26 where I live xmas has long past, I'm not into xmas never was, always saw it has the ultimate usa hypocrisy,
but new year is big, yesterday the kids hung up lights for the new year party which lasts several days
as for obama being owned, you left out soros and gerard.
Name one of them that are not idiots?? either party. I think they all are including the current clown in charge
Sure Mr. Limbaugh.
We all know you would never be a tool.You must have missed the GOP circus.
There's the real clown car, ever since Nixon said, "I am not a crook".
The GOP never did fess up. They were and are complicit.
This why Mr. P has an (R) next to his name.
He is a crook, of the most insidious sort.
Both parties are playing all of us
True, but none so well as the GOP.
Remove the (R)s from representation.
They haven't even tried to do their jobs since Eisenhower retired.
GOP is the first name in political crooks, and still the best.
What's that after Mr. P name?
Why it's an (R).
Who would have thought.
we need the Donald not this whacko nut
Is it true that it takes one to know one?
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Ron Paul is the only rational choice for America -- not long-term but as a short-term solution to reinstate the Constitution and cancel police-state laws.
If Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich had a baby that took both of their parents' better traits (ie. liberty and decency) I would vote for it.
Ron Paul talks about OWS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqau48Wz4O0
Maybe there is something wrong with him.
Learn more about Austrian school economics. He is consistent.
Hows that hopey chagey thingy working out for you Obummer fan boys. You like to run around the house in your underwear while listening to BO speeches that you recorded. How racist is Moochell? The Democrat party has always been well known as the KKK racist party. Whitewash it all you want. The NAACP and SPLC are rated as the most racist organizations in the world. If a black guy wonders into a white neighborhood he migh be called the N word but if a cracker ass honkey whitey wonders into a black neighborhood he will be robbed and then murdered. That is a fact! I have lived in Los Angeles. You can't BS me. I remember the southland body count on the radio. You occutards are so stupid and blind its pathetic.
Another retarded fan boy that thinks (not sure if "thinks" is the correct way to describe his mental process [or if "process" is an accurate description either]) that not supporting his candidate somehow means supporting somebody else.
Retarded and racist. That explains the fanatic support for Ron Paul.
Do you have any proof that you aren't a racist bigot? The ones that cry the most usually are the worst offenders.
Looks like you have your own Gay I mean fan boy UncomonSense. So who the fuck did you support asshole? McSame/Poolin?
The problem here is simple. Because I don't support your candidate du jour does not mean I support anyone else. Are you really so stupid that you can't understand that? You must be, because you keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
Just to help you understand: ignorance is lack of knowledge, stupidity is inability to learn. You have both.
Prove it gayboy. Who do you support. Its a real easy to understand simple question that you have yet to answer. What are you hiding? I can tell you this I have seen that statement a thousand times verbatim. I guess you read the rules for moonbats like all the other libtards. You have mastered the put downs but can we move on to more important issues?
Peace and freedom scares you. You love paying your income tax for wars and bank bailouts. All you have is slander. Ron Paul is the real deal. Who do you want OBAMA? ha ha ha
Obama, whose 2008 presidential campaign received $994,795 in donations from Goldman's employees
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/21/92637/goldmans-connections-to-white.html
Idiot is as a Idiot does..... Ron Paul 2012 baby!!!
In with Ron Paul in 2012 and out with the assClown Obummer
not a fan of politics - its all staged and most of us realize that the USA is Israeli's bitch....not a republican or democrat but can say at least Paul is zio-wise
anti semitism is obvious.