Forum Post: Ron Paul Collects Social Security! Hypocrite Extraordinaire!!!
Posted 12 years ago on June 20, 2012, 4:43 p.m. EST by GreedKills
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Double dips for plane fare, cons millions of dollars from racists and college students for his six million dollar home and for his son's Senate race now admits collecting Social Security LMFAO!!!!! What a man!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/ron-paul-social-security_n_1612117.html Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) may rail against Social Security insolvency in the public eye, but that hasn't stopped him from accepting the government checks.
The libertarian-leaning Republican and former presidential candidate admitted Wednesday that he accepts Social Security checks just minutes after he called for younger generations to wean themselves off the program, in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
This isnt a suprise. Ayn Rand collected social security too.
Bad planning on Ayn's part, she should have been cut loose like she wanted for everyone else. Die poor and uncared for.
She died fairly destitute anyway I think.
did they pay into Soc Sec by use of force?
To quote my friend Ralphie - "How sweet it is"
for more fun, google "ayn rand william hickman"
So you are suggesting that he should let the govt. keep the money he paid into the system? How is it wrong to take your money back from a system you don't support and are forced to pay into?... I guess you should look up the meaning of the word "hypocrite"
no, collecting money from the government is a good thing, remember more money in the hands of the people is GOOD. and less money in the hands of GOVERNMENT is good.
There will be no complaints about libe(R)tarian behavior here.
Yes strong is the denial supporters of Paul is! Below look begins it does! As Yoda would put it ;)
They have co-opted this site, if not the movement in the US.
I see that. I had a feeling that would happen long ago that is why I was posting about Ron Paul and Alex Jones so much when I first signed up here. They must be all out of work to spend so much time here or working for the Koch brothers spreading their propaganda. They will reap what they sow since they are foolish enough to follow and support a fraud and the Koch Brother's movement that will destroy their own lives in the long run. When I was young and foolish I thought I was a superman also.
It's a shame really, it will stunt the movement here for many years.
At least there was one comment that was sort of anti libe(R)tarian.
I too was young and foolish once and bought into libe(R)tarianism, but I learned better, and left it behind.
You can't be a libe(R)tarian and fight the Koch brothers. They ARE the real libe(R)tarians.
It is a shame. I thought there might be chance to turn away from fascism but the fascists in this country have brainwashed the people of the US for over thirty years.
The libe(R)tarians took a strongly supported movement and separated it from its support base.
It's what they do.
Big Business loves regulations that drown out competition and alternative options.
Of course, they can get away with murder if they want. But anyone else tries to start an alternative energy company in a municipality...Watch Out!!
I think that pretty much sums up Ayns thoughts .
Brainwashed fools shooz, brainwashed fools the lot of them.
It's like they can't accept the simple fact that the Kochs founded modern day libe(R)tarian ideology.
It's like they are completely blind to their actions and results.
It's like they can't accept the fact that ALEC is "sword" libe(R)tarians have been using to get their way.
It's like they can't put 2 & 2 together, unless it's simple D & R.
Factoring in the L is just not possible for them.
Pick an industry, its happening right now.
Less banks than ever. Yet the TBTF get away with robbing us all.
Energy companies consolidating, and there are no alternative options popping up.
Insuance cartel is getting stronger by the year, with no other alternatives popping up.
Big box retail stores have driven out all the mom and pops.
Same gas companies as usual. BP destroys the gulf, no real protectionary measures taken as a result.
Its a multi national corporation take over, against the peoples will.
You tell me, Shooz, how is this happening?
communication and automation
Yup, AT&T or Verizon are getting ready to buy out Sprint.
Automation isnt really a consumer industry.
we gonna wind up with some free loading robot owners that figure their entitled to the world
That pretty much sums up what is going on right now, dont you think?
Runaway corporate libe(R)tarianism, I've been trying to tell folks all along.
Most just ignore it and say that's not my libe(R)tarianism.
That's not true. That's the only REAL libe(R)tarianism. The one owned and operated by the Kochs and their cronies.
They sound just like the conse(R)vatives that voted for Bush.
And now they have co-opted Occupy. We would have been better off with moveon.org.
It's become the saddest of times.......:(
Sound justlike the conservatives that voted for Bush? Give me a break....that's the problem with this world today...people watch the news for 10 minutes and think they know everything and spew a bunch of non-factual crap everywhere through an ideological goggle blinded perspective....whether it be left or right. Why not provide accurate assertions....you might gain a little respect by doing it.
Shooz, you dont even know what you are talking about. This is not real libertarianism, just like it is not real Democracy, Socialism, or Conservatism.
Co-opted by whom? Did you not see all the Guy Fawkes masks at the beginning rallies? Thats right, you werent there.
This was a great mix of people in the beginning. There was even some Tea people that supported it. And our numbers were great. And the message was clear.
Your understanding of this thing, and how it was, and what it is now, and the reasons why are all based on stuff you think/hear. None of it is from your own experiences. Because you simply havent participated enough.
Trust me, the end the Fed crowd was not what we were worried about being co-opted by, and they all hated the Republican party too.
There was a lurking letter that was teh main concern of a co-opt, over those who were on the ground level. I'll give you three guesses as to what corner the media tries to keep this thing in:
Starts with a D, ends with a rat.
Ah yes.
You mean before the libe(R)tarians co-opted it and made it all about political attacks and took the focus away from WallStreet.
WallStreet, the home of the REAL liber(R)tarians.
But then, you have always denied that one simple reality.
Shooz, I will repeat:
You didnt attend. You dont know what you are talking about. You are wrong.
That's what all the libe(R)tarians are saying about it.
Meanwhile the voter purges go on. Thanks to the libe(R)tarians and the (R)epelican'ts.
All the while you pretend it doesn't matter, and make libe(R)tarian threads and statements.
What it was, isn't what it is now.
So, one more time. It's the libe(R)tarians that have put the world in the state it's in.
Now, let's hear your next denial.
And you are best pretending to be somone who is right in the thick of it.
You only think Im in denial because you have nothing to base your own opinions (on something you havent really experienced) on. I go off what Ive seen/experienced.
You go off some fantasy in your own head/ the tv.
Inner camp stuff, along with an inability to move through basics and move with efficiency were two of the reasons for a major downfall in numbers.
The third one was the obsession with having a place to camp out. I understand the reasons, but there are other ways to get the end results (people being able to approach, idea forming, etc) without needs a park and tents.
Keep up the good work.
You are talking about politics. Im talking about OWS. There is a difference, but your misunderstanding is just more proof I am correct.
You didnt participate, and you STILL have no clue what you are talking about. You can go off this forum, or other news sources, but thats it. You cant speak from your own experiences. Which makes you a total hyporcrite, and very naive.
Your love of cute little wording of things is just more proof your mindset is based in a media controlled world.
Im not trying to be overly rude, but I get tired of all the hyprocrites and their opinions that did nothing to help this at all.
Yep pretty good attempt at denial.
It's what you are best at.
Now, let's hear how everybody who doesn't think the way you do is an ass.
That ought to win some support.
If you think the end the fed crowd has/wants anything to do with the Republican establishment you are extremely uniformed. And clearly haven spent much time at OWS or you would understand otherwise.
The media spins this nonsense, and you just gobble it up.
Give me a break.....you guys are ridiculous. The man has paid into social security his entire life - it's his money! Also, he's never said that people who paid into the system shouldn't get their money..he's very adamant about that.....and he wants to give younger generations the option to "opt" out if they so choose...not kick them out of the system. This article also fails to mention he refused to enter the congressional pension system - practicing exactly what he preaches...he also didn't used to accept medicare and medicaid when he worked as a physician.....again...practicing exactly what he preaches...he also returns the unused portion of his office budget to US treasury..practicing what he preaches. Why not attack someone on the right who actually deserves it?? There are many to choose from....not a 30 year ideological pure wizard of the constitution that doesn't get a dime from lobbyists and has predicted every major thing that has gone wrong with this country in the last 25 years.
The title of this article: "Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitutional"
should be:
"Ron Paul's money was stolen from him for his entire working life to be put into a system he doesn't support and now he's only getting a fraction of the money that was fraudulently being set aside for his retirement."
Give me a break.....you guys are ridiculous. The man has paid into social security his entire life - it's his money! Also, he's never said that people who paid into the system shouldn't get their money..he's very adamant about that.....and he wants to give younger generations the option to "opt" out if they so choose...not kick them out of the system. This article also fails to mention he refused to enter the congressional pension system - practicing exactly what he preaches...he also didn't used to accept medicare and medicaid when he worked as a physician.....again...practicing exactly what he preaches...he also returns the unused portion of his office budget to US treasury..practicing what he preaches. Why not attack someone on the right who actually deserves it?? There are many to choose from....not a 30 year ideological pure wizard of the constitution that doesn't get a dime from lobbyists and has predicted every major thing that has gone wrong with this country in the last 25 years... and who practices exactly what he preaches (whether you agree with it or not).
The title of this article:
"Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitutional"
should be:
"Ron Paul's money was stolen from him for his entire working life to be put into a system he doesn't support and now he's only getting a fraction of the money that was fraudulently being set aside for his retirement."
I don't care for Paul, I haven't since I read about his news letter pieces four or five years ago. What's the problem with collecting social security though, even if you are against it in principle? We are forced to participate, spend a working lifetime contributing into it, so why not collect?
He didn't write those newsletters.....if that's what is holding you back from the guy i wouldn't let it....watch every snippet of video for the mans entire life and you won't find a shred of racism...ever. They wrote the letter under his name and he even said that people could view that as negligent because he didn't have the opportunity to read it before it went out (what other politician would say that?). Here's a video covering the newsletter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4
He was in charge at the time and has to take a certain responsibility for them. That wasn't my point, I'm simply not a Paul supporter. The point was I don't see any contradiction in being against Social Security and then taking money from it. It is currently a system we are forced to pay into and be a part of, as long as we are I don't see it as wrong to take the check when you qualify.
Yeah i agree.
Don't judge a person by their faults only. Everbody fails by that standard. Always include their accomplishments, which can sometimes make their failings seem insignificant.
make social security optional & you wont have that issue. He paid in didn't he? And he will get but a fraction out of what he could have had - had he invested his own money in his own way.
He should donate that money to something, and do it publicly.
i dont think one can "opt out"of a mandatory program, can they?
I would think that if the gov got a letter saying that someone didnt want their SS check, they would stop sending them.
But Im betting that due to legalities, everyone is forced to be awarded it regardless if they wanted to or not.
Does anyone know?
yes.. its called.. dont send in the paperwork. its a huge hassle to sign up for social security. like anything government .. you have to put effort into receiving those checks
Another question: With the money he contirbuted to it, will he be receiving less or more than he put into it?
Wow, puts him in the same class as all those limousine liberals who call for higher taxes but never, ever pay all they could! Fuckers!
Give me a break.....you guys are ridiculous. The man has paid into social security his entire life - it's his money! Also, he's never said that people who paid into the system shouldn't get their money..he's very adamant about that.....and he wants to give younger generations the option to "opt" out if they so choose...not kick them out of the system. This article also fails to mention he refused to enter the congressional pension system - practicing exactly what he preaches...he also didn't used to accept medicare and medicaid when he worked as a physician.....again...practicing exactly what he preaches...he also returns the unused portion of his office budget to US treasury..practicing what he preaches. Why not attack someone on the right who actually deserves it?? There are many to choose from....not a 30 year ideological pure wizard of the constitution that doesn't get a dime from lobbyists and has predicted every major thing that has gone wrong with this country in the last 25 years... and who practices exactly what he preaches (whether you agree with it or not). The title of this article: "Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitutional" should be: "Ron Paul's money was stolen from him for his entire working life to be put into a system he doesn't support and now he's only getting a fraction of the money that was fraudulently being set aside for his retirement."