Forum Post: return ameriCa WiTh thw Minute men
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 12, 2011, 9:52 p.m. EST by kwb62
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Time to put back on the blue coats and call ourselves minute men, Time to take to arms for our country, I'll be glad and honored to be the first to die.
Same spirit, same goal, different strategy.
Switch that rifle for a video camera, point it at the police that attempt to assault you, and make them obey the very same laws that they are sworn to uphold and enforce themselves.
It's a different world today than it was then. It's an information age and an information war. The battlefield is your mind. That is why there is so much media distortion such as Glenn Beck and the rest of the talking heads. The 1% is trying to win over your mind.
When you take arms against the Police, the Military, or those the 1% might send against you, then you provide them with the reason they need to declare Martial law.
When you use passive resistance, and THEY break the law...you can use the judicial system against them.
The Police are part of the 99% too, they just don't realize it yet. Yes, there are a few psychopaths that are getting off on beating down passive protestors practicing their first Amendment rights. Let them be prosecuted.
Even the judges are part of the 99%. The lawyers too. It's not a war for your body, or your country, it's a war for your mind.
Better to live for your country, than to die for it.
Smart man. You are correct on both points. The war is indeed for our minds and they are waiting for violence to break out so they can declare martial law. In fact, according to a little-known program called 'Rex 84' the government doesn't even need violence to initiate martial law, simply an act of 'civil disobedience' is all it would take. We're treading on thin ice as it is. It's too bad so many of these people are so woefully misinformed (or uninformed).
Ah yes, but what I am betting on is that the 1% won't be able to exist without the 99%. After all, it's the 99% that pay the salaries of the Police, the Military, and even the government. All that would be needed would be a general strike, and/ or a tax strike, and it all comes down.
Also, even if there are new private prison 'superjails' for the resistors, it's still going to cost them a fortune to arrest, prosecute, incarcerate, then feed 99% of the population. It costs about $80,000 a year to keep someone in prison, and only about $18,000 a year to keep them at a minimum standard of living.
The 1% has run out of answers, they have run out of excuses, all they have now is brute force, intimidation, and lies. This is the reason for all this Police brutality, these people are scared and have nowhere to go.
Very good point. You're not the first one to say they need us more than we need them. That should let some of the more paranoid among us sleep better at night.
I'm just hoping we can swing the Police and the military over to our side. Then again, it's not as though they have learned to start growing their own food.
Interesting you mention the military and police. There's a group that originated in Serbia called Optor, dedicated to nonviolent revolution. One thing they stress is the need to get the police and military on the side of the resistance, if possible. Not to the point of using their weapons against the government, of course, but to at least identify with and possibly sympathize with the demonstrators. Luckily, we seem to have had a little success in that area, especially with the Iraqi and Afghanistan veterans.
Yes, I was quite impressed to hear about the teacher's strike in Wisconsin, where the Mayor ordered the Police to remove protestors from the City hall (owned by the people), and one of the Police said "I am not your palace guard." The Police (part of a union) also started to join with the protestors.
It might be more difficult in Canada. Our Police officers are paid twice as much as Police in the US, and not allowed to strike. Also, we don't have veterans coming back from a war (oh, except Afghanistan).
We had a police on this site a week or so ago from a small Midwestern town that gave some excellent advice from his perspective and seemed to identify with the movement. If and when more of them realize that these problems affect them as well, it will be another positive step forward.
Hmm, it would be wonderful if we could get some of these Police who have switched sides to come over to Canada and do some speeches. I know that Micheal Ruppert used to be a Narcotics detective for the LAPD.
I wonder what Ruppert thinks about OWS? I heard a rumor he was taking off for Venezuela but never heard anything after that.
I saw his latest video. He was at an OWS in San Francisco. He looked so happy, like a six year old boy at a county fair.
Yeah, OWS is probably right up his alley.
And I'll put a feather duster on my head and run around like a chicken until they level the fully automatic twenty MM cannons that shoot a thousand rounds a second. If war is what we want, we should have thought of that before we bought them 5 or 10 trillion in military equipment. Secondly, violence begets violence, in an eternal cycle and will do nothing to solve humanities increasingly dire problems other that to produce more waste. This "war" must be won on the battlefield of truth and justice, or not at all.
That is unless the threat of secession was imposed. I am not a proponent of secession, but I think our southern military bases would fight for us if that was the case.
Who do you mean by "US?"
I think I misspoke in the above statement. Parts of the nation could either secede, or we declare a secession from our government. Most of our military bases are in the South. The men and women working in these facilities will never turn their rifles against their brothers and sisters. It's a 100% impossibility. They would have no one to fly those planes.
Firstly, I don't believe in succession either, at all. We already had that blood bath! . . . Concerning the military, I pray, and believe that you're right. If so, you realize the enormous import of that fact to this movement. There is simply no way to transform our society back to genuine democracy peacefully if the military would stand against us. The consequences would be unspeakable. I wish to God we could heal this longstanding divide between the "Red," and "Blue" States. We really have so much more in common then those who would divide us - to their advantage - would ever like us to become aware of! And united truely again we would emerge a so much greater Nation. It's mostly this infernal issue of race, I think. It simply will never stop dogging and undermining this country! So sad, so unnessesary! Why to God cannot we find some way to go forward united to face the grave threats to our mutual survival? They are legion!
I don't know how the Red Blue battle will end. Or, if it ever will. I think there will be something else that comes along, completely out of the blue and directs our attention elsewhere. I think a lot of the intense red/blue divide is a result of the Internet. It's only been in the last 8 or 9 years that the Internet has gotten reliable and fast. We are still adjusting to this new era of mass information. Hell, one poster just got done telling me he was talking with a nazi, or someone promoting a nazi organization. Talking to a real life nazi 20 years ago was the last thing I would expect to happen
30 years ago, even 20 years ago, liberals and conservatives still went out to Sunday brunch together. The differences were much less severe. Maybe times have changed, but I think a lot of this crap is all in our heads. There has always been a rich and poor divide. Corporations have always been a part of our society. The Pilgrims were funded by a corporation.
Never since the Civil War have we been this ready to tear off each others heads. It's ridiculous. Right now, I think one faction is more to blame among liberals and conservatives. However, neither are perfect angels in the social war.
Once people realize the one corporation(s) everyone should be mad at is the media, things will start to make more sense. They have made enough money off inciting rage, anger, jealousy and fear in the last 15 years to pay off a huge chunk of our national debt
True, but the other factor, I think, is the overwealming concentration of wealth. If corporations contributed the same percentage to society as they did under Eisenhower The national debt would vanish, and his day was nearing the high water mark of our prestige and greatness as a nation. We have declined directly in proportion to that increased division of wealth. Citizens have also been marginalized from their government following that same trajectory.
OK, but I still don't see how that stops you or me from finding a niche and making our own wealth. The problem is people realize the level of work required. It requires some intelligence and training, but the main factor is desire.
I am not against wealth derived by hard work. I am pro free market. The fact is that current levels of centralized wealth have all but eliminated opportunity. That's why people have taken to the streets, and to be honest it's way worse than even that! Our tax dollars are funding unjustified wars to enrich those very people who would further concentrate that wealth and reduce the majority of us to a state of slavery; not to mention the sheer moral destruction to a nation that engages in unjustified war. I'm mad as hell about all of that, and a lot more!
If you have an Internet connection, there is a way for you to become wealthy by finding the right niche. You don't even have to pay for the software. Only the domain. It is easier than ever to start your own company. The opportunity is not gone. Corporations didn't change the playing field, technology did. But, you can use that same technology to make something for yourself.
Wealth is not my overriding concern. But thanks, and thanks for the conversation.
You are welcome. Can I offer one last suggestion? Make your life the number one concern. Trust me. People are going to figure out ways to overcome injustices sooner or later. More importantly, people will eventually realize many of them don't matter.
Note that the first to take a life in any war is a murderer and not a patriot; after that it becomes a matter of vengeance. This first to take a life during the Rev was actually interviewed on this.
I think there are still a few sects down here. Now would be a good time for them to come back out into the open.