Forum Post: Reply to Michael Moore s Statement to Remain without Focus
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 21, 2011, 1:44 a.m. EST by Tourville
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" Moore encourages the Occupy movement not to fall for the trap that the mainstream media wants – demanding a spokesperson and a single issue statement. “It should not lock on to any single issue,” Moore says. "
This Position of Mr. Moore is a Trap itself:
Eventually .. the Protests will wane .. eventually .. without making One Single Demand to Correct that which drove the Protesters into the Streets.
The Protest will have Lost - The Established Corruption in Washington .. the Campaign Finance which Buys Votes .. will Remain.
I find it Difficult to Imagine Mr.Moore does not see this and should he .. that he issues such a Statement .. that the Movements should Cripple themselves by remaining UNFOCUSED .. they could just as easily be crowing en mass about the Price of Tennis Shoes .. bringing the Same Results :
No Results
Mr.Moore .. You Sir .. need to take a Moment.
If WE do not WIN Campaign Finance Reform for Our Nation
WE LOSE Our Nation to CORPORATISM Forever
OCCUPY & 99'ers
Take it To The Streets
VOICE YOUR DEMAND FOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM
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I feel as soon as an issue / demand is drawn up, it will allow for a debate...creating more words and arguments than action itself. We would become no different than how the media and politicians operate today.
This needs to go public and official. To break through the diversions. And reach the next level of supporters.
We need to take this to another level. It's time to go official.
There definitely needs to be some sort of solidarity within the movement. A singular agenda to focus on. A goal.
Without that people will continue to lose focus and attention.
There needs to be a direction to mature the movement. They have the money, but we have the votes! Defeat every incumbent who has been in Washington for too long. House Members = 10 terms or 20 years Senators = 4 terms or 24 years VOTER REGISTRATION AND GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!
There needs to be a direction to mature the movement. They have the money, but we have the votes! Defeat every incumbent who has been in Washington for too long. House Members = 10 terms or 20 years Senators = 4 terms or 24 years VOTER REGISTRATION AND GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!
doom
I agree with Moore on this point. Many people are the habit of playing by the rules of the powers that be. We make our own rules in OWS. We work outside the box. The politicians and corporations are having a hard time with this. They dont know what to do with it. Normal methods of control are not working.
I think you are measuring results in the wrong way. Results:
1) We have a working direct democracy (GA) without leaders. The powers that be are wondering how we pulled this off without a hierarchy structure to tell us how to pull it off.
2) OWS has gone global and viral.
3) We are still growing without leaders or demands
4) We have not been co-opted. We cannot be co-opted.
5) We cannot be bought.
6) We have leaders starting to sweat.
7) When we do speak......they will listen. They will have no choice.
That has worked well to get us started. But we need to move beyond and break through to the next level of supporters. I think we need to go public and official with the #1 demand of campaign finance reform. We need to cut through all of the other diversions. We need more focus to take this to another level.
Tourville,
How would you respond if I said that the real point of the protests was to cause trouble, and now they are simply trying to find popular issues to stick it at the rest of society?
Simply that you're financial situation since youth has blunted your capacity to assimilate beyond Mad Magazine & Cartoon Page content.
Have you ever watched the front line of a protest? They're angry. They're not angry because the people being protested actually hurt them, rather the protesters are taking out their anger on that person.
Even the unions, when you see them going on strike. The unions themselves called the strike, it's not like the company told them "please, go on strike." They're mad because < no reason >.
Look at the pictures these "protesters" send in all the time. They say they have lots of student debt, and then they BLAME THE BANK! As if. The bank did nothing wrong. The corporations did nothing wrong. Heck, the two parties responsible for their problems: 1) they, themself for taking out a student loan and possibly 2) the school for charging so much tuition.
You have obviously missed the point of OWS completely! The whole point of the start of this was to make something like getthemoneyout.com and things like wolf-pac.com to happen! Because we have done that, we have succeeded and have scored the first big point that we were trying to make. Secondly, we were also calling for the reinstatement of the glass-steagall act,which before we started, only a few people were talking about. Now OWS has become the catalyst for talking about these issues and progressing towards the completion of these issues. We have people on both sides telling us that we should be in DC doing this. Well quite frankly,after we are done here, where do you think we are going next?DC! To be honest,looking at the stats of it all, OWS has become a huge success. I don't see what your problem is and how you cannot see the reasons why they are protesting when its obviously right in your face.
I'd also like to add that the petition to reinstate the glass-stegall act has reached nearly 12k in signatures and is going to the white house in the next couple of days.I think honestly we should tell obama,"hey you want a second term? reinstate the glass-steagall act or you are out!"
In addition to reinstating Glass-Steagal, we have to demand the rescinding of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, and a Constitutional amendment to seperate Corporations from Government and, as is often noted by many, to get the money out of politics completely.
The biggest worry I have re: OWS movement is a co-opting of the movement by a polarizing entity such as the Democratic party, MoveOn.org, Van Jones, etc.
moe,
There is always -- always -- civil unrest during periods of economic instability. The point of OWS is not to make something like getthemoneyout.com or wolf-pac.com to happen.
The point of OWS, as expressed in the original blog post on Adbusters, was to create a new type of revolution and to have a "Tahrir" moment. Tahrir is a reference to the violent showdown between the Egyptian government and the protesters. And every day, OWS protesters try to provoke the police, try to cause problems, try to get people hurt. That's the point of OWS. Do you see the fist in the logo of this website? Do you see the word "Occupy" in the name "Occupy Wall Street?" All of these are references to the use of force. And 31% of protesters surveyed by Doug Schoen said they would support the use of violence to advance their cause.
No they absolutely do not! Every time I see the protesters, they are trying not to get their asses kicked by the friggin cops! Loads of videos debunks and discredits your point! Secondly, all people need to do is to calm the hell down. thats what happens when you get beaten up, you get pissed!Thirdly, adbusters obviously failed at their job because we took their movement away from them and turned it into something a hell of a lot better than what they wanted. So you can take your biggovernment.com horseshit and shove it! We won, they lost! And now you and your kind are losing as well.
Actually, I'm one hundred percent correct. What does OWS stand for, the acronym? What does it stand for? Why would someone call a movement Occupy Wall Street?
Because, the United States took military action in Iraq. The point of calling a movement "occupy.." is to suggest that you want to hurt people. Think.
You and yours are desperately trying to link this to being violent when we are clearly not being violent at all. Take your red herring and strawman arguments elsewhere.
Dude, read the story on the forum. In NYC, more arrests. More arrests!
And of course they claim they didn't do anything.
Yeah and its because of the goddamned cops and not us! I'm sorry, but swearing at police doesn't count as violence. That's just pathetic.
Kitchen Table quasi_psudo psychologist ?
My background is Economics .. what's yours?