Forum Post: Refuse to pay taxes until one demand is met?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 9:25 p.m. EST by astramari
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Is this possible if we all ban together and claim 12? WE can then withhold payment when filing comes around using it as leverage.
This demand, I would say is to take private funding out of politics...period, which trickles down to fix many other issues.
I keep posting this with no response.
In order to pay taxes you need a job in order to have a job you need to go out and look if you can not find a job with the degree you eaarned that is your problem go do somthing else you cant all be park rangers
Since nearly 50% of Americans pay no income tax already, you might need another radical idea.
Only taxable incomes below $8,350 pay no income tax. In the most recent recorded year, that was 36% of filers.
Seniors with little income outside social security, students with summer or part-time jobs, families with modest incomes, mortgages and kids...I don't look down my nose at them.
I don't look down on them, I just find it ironic that people who are protesting are likely those who account for very little of total tax receipts, and even more ironic that they're protesting the taxpayer funded bailout, considering that bankers and 1% or whatnot probably contributed a good portion to that fund.
Yes the percentage of federal income tax receipts nationwide coming from the 1% pay has risen in the last 20 years. But that was DESPITE drops in the top rates -- something people who use this argument (from Orrin Hatch on down) try not to mention. How does that work, mathematically? It works because, even though the percentage of their income they pay in taxes has fallen, the income of the 1% has risen so much in the last two decades that this more than outweighs the decline in their tax rates. So yes, they pay more of the nation's total income taxes ... because they are so much richer than they used to be!
the point is, the top 20% pay about 80% of total taxes, so if you think about it, most of the funds that went towards bank/GE/auto bailouts were funded by the top 20% anyways. I just find it ironic that the group that contributed the least to the bailout funds are protesting the most about it.
A chance at a decent job is one of the things a lot of the young folks are asking for. If they had that, they'd be able to contribute more to the tax receipts.
If wages in this country had kept up with the productivity increases the American workforce had made, I don't think OWS would have taken off. Work harder, produce more, get nowhere - gradual frustration has built up.
Your inciting people to violate a law. This is not supportive or productive regardless of the intended purpose. Help change the law. That would require a repeal or revision of the 16th amendment. It gives broad powers to congress over our taxation and distribution of that revenue.
The way I see it, the government is employed by ME...US. They are not doing the job. I don't get paid if I don't do my job, so I do it.
disengage from the system much love and peace always x x x
If you refuse to pay taxes, the Gov may call out Marshall Law. We do not want to create a full out revolution..... I understand that many protestors are starting to get somewhat angry and many are getting hurt or arrested or both. I suggest that we take a different approach to make our point very clear. What is the true issue here???? Money!!! Right? We can get them all right where it hurts the most.... the pocket book! Thats what they have done to us for years. they steel our $. This is the true issue...... We can all get them from the comfort of our homes and noone is in jeapordy of getting hurt. We all must agree to do 2 things. 1) Take all our $ and investments out of the banks and 2) Stop paying all bank related liabilities. Morgages, (rents), Auto loans, Credit cards etc.etc.etc........ We need to literally take back all our $. If enough agree to do so, we could cripple the very institutions that created this mess. Everyone can go home and relax and sock away the cash.... control our cash and ultimately use it against them..... the federal gov could not allow this to happen. The demand is simple. NOT JOBS, ..... jobs are created naturally when billions of $'s isn't misused or stolen. A JOBS BILL IS JUST A POLITICAL PLOY. Our demand is COLD HARD CASH on an individual need basis.... A Simple process and minor eligability requirements designed by us... not them!
If we stop watching television... it would literally "seize" the Matrix, and we are in a Matrix! If you truly want to be free. Kill your TV! http://redroom.com/member/e-maria-shelton-speller/writing/queen
These are great ideas and I'm willing to try, now how to get everyone else on board? We need a focused strategy?
What would this accomplish? You would be mostly hurting other 99%ers that you claim to support. Your taxes not only pay for Congress and Obama but also: teachers, doctors, nurses, construction workers, military, janitors, mechanics, scientists, librarians, accountants, receptionists, secretaries, nuclear physicists, etc. How would they get paid if you stop paying taxes?
I see your point. The threat is an impact in itself. Like Teddy R. said it, the threat is often enough to get your point across. If the IRS saw that everyone was claiming 12, they'd get pretty nervous. Maybe they'd have to start listening.
Have you ever worked with the IRS? 1) they don't listen to you and 2) if you actually claimed 12 to get their attention- It would take them at least 3 months to figure out what people are doing, another 3 months to decide what to do about it, 3 months to design a response, and 3 months to notify the public. So pretty much nobody would get paid for at least 6 months. I really hope all of those public servants don't mind.
We would simply declare our slogan the battle cry of our Founding Fathers and Mothers:
"No taxation without representation!"
Draft-dodging was also breaking a law, was it not? Through conscientious objection? Can we not conscientiously object financially?
yeah, rip off public officials of their paycheck. that'l show wallstreet. :P
AND, I don't even know why we're FOCUSED on wall street. It's not really they're fault, it's the corporations and the government ALLOWING this to happen. Wall Street is just the moderator.
point out to me how it's washingtons fault, and i'll explain to you why it goes back to wallstreet.
Who makes the laws? Wall-Street or the government? I am not claiming to be highly informed on these issues. But, that's the point isn't it? No one wants us to be? I really would like to hear your views, just trying to come up with ideas to HELP. They're not always good. That's why I post...to get feedback.
who bribes them?
Who's taking the bribes? I couldn't be bought, why can they? If they take private funding out of politics, it's solves alot of issues. That's all I'm saying. It's a pretty vicious circle, isn't it?
this is why you have to pressure wallstreet. washington has been immune to protests for a long time. wallstreet is not and they will transfer that stress right to washington.
Ummm...from what I'm seeing, public officials do nothing but sit on their paychecks doing nothing. Maybe not all, but the majority. And, trust me, those people are not 'living' off that measly paycheck they are getting for 'officiating', it's not enough money to be in the top 90%.
thats because you're selfish, arrogant, and sheltered. but then those are all symptoms of sheltered people.
Silly boy. I was in the Navy for six years, I am currently a nurse and a single mother. I don't think i've ever been sheltered, but you don't know me, so...silly of me to argue. Just goes to show that when you bring up an actual point, ignorant people respond with personal attacks.
so you were one of theses that you described "public officials do nothing but sit on their paychecks"? or is it ok for you to take pride in your service but not others. arrogant as i said.
Serving in the military is not a public 'office'. I was owned by my country and if they decided I didn't get paid, I didn't. Have you served your country? Is that why you're interested?
look, you're the one that wanted to start off confrontational. I believe in your services and the others, down to the guy mowing the grass in the median. my entire point is to not take this out on them. i'm just surprised you don't feel the same. there is no bad guy in this. there are structural issues in our system that need addressing, and there are people that thrive on the fight itself and get a little to enthusiastic about it. they tend to spread whatever fits their pre-made opinion without regard to fact or the people they share this world with. and me... i get tired of it.
Read back through these posts. I didn't attack anyone personally. I believe you started that. You have some very good points and I probably did get carried away. Just trying to come up with ideas as there is no clear strategy or focus. I don't want to punish anyone. Just fix the true problem. Not all my ideas are good, on that I can agree. Just brain-storming, but I think some really great opinions and ideas came out of this post and for that I appreciate everyone who responded.
And, I kind of think it's effin brilliant.
Has it occurred to you that this proposal doesn't get a lot of responses because it's a non-starter? It's obviously impossible and unrealistic.
That's cool. Just an idea.
Avoiding taxes and then making pronouncements about what you're doing is a good way to become a guest of the government. Be prepared to be arrested for your convictions.
I don't hide what I do or what I think, period. We do have that first ammendment right in our outdated doctrine, called the constitution, which everyone uses like the Bible to distort into supporting their own views. I don't think the government is worried about a small fry like me and if they are, we're really in trouble.
Thank you for your post. I am honored to respond. It is obvious that you care very much, and are trying to think creatively about ways we the people can come together and peacefully have our demands met. The problem is, there are a great many things our tax money goes to that do not deserve to be ceased. I could be wrong but is that not true? Or is there more to your idea than what you put forth? Cheers, and do not give up!
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I agree and I don't mind paying taxes, or raising taxes as long as everyone is taken care of. I'm a big fan of taxes, but not if it's going into corporate pockets or supporting laws made and enforced for the good of the upper echelon of America and not the voting citizens. You have to give something to get something or withhold something for someone else to be motivated to give. What I'm seeing is two facets of power. They have Money, we have NUMBERS. There has to be some leverage. If the government was going to change just because of how we 'felt' it would have happened already. Don't you think?
What I think is that you should share your mind, your thought, and your ideas with as many people as possible. SO many of us agree with you. What if we just took a serious look at corporate political campaign funding. That right there would perhaps set some wheels in motion that could balance things out a little bit?
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That's exactly what I believe. Once you have that in tow, the others fall like dominoes...to some extent. How do we accomplish that?
Well, for starters by doing what we are doing right now. Sharing our ideas, talking, and trying to expose what we believe to be self evident and the truth with as many people as possible. In the next few weeks I will be going down to Seattle to take part and support, maybe you should do the same thing? If you have the time, because I think you have lots of good things to contribute.
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