Forum Post: Reality Check! The war on terror. But who are the terrorists?
Posted 12 years ago on May 9, 2012, 6:24 p.m. EST by jrhirsch
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from Sun City, CA
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We spend $300 million dollars a day in Afghanistan to accomplish this?
http://voidmirror.blogspot.com/2011/03/kill-team-how-us-soldiers-in.html
Don't let your tax dollars support atrocities! Don't support the leaders who are themselves terrorists!
You are absolutely right.
Ditto & I append this disturbing article, which will require a Strong Constitution (pun intended!) to read :
fiat lux et caveat : bellum se ipsum alet ...
Do not support people that support leaders who allow wars like this.
They should be as determined to go after the domestic terrorists that caused the financial meltdown. I mean in the USA alone there are millions of victims add in the rest of the world that got and are embroiled by the same meltdown caused by the same criminals and how many more millions of victims are there? Hell they don't even need to go in search of the economic terrorists - the assholes are still showing up daily for work (?) !!! Round em up and strip them of assets and send em to Gitmo. Make them reveal all there plans and accomplices.
Don't let our tax dollars support it? And how pray tell do we do that?
Pay as little tax as legally possible. Elect representatives who will pull our troops out. Some are really courageous like Cindy Sheehan who has publicly refused to pay income taxes since 2004.
The Taliban offered to turn over Bin Laden.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=taliban+offered+to+turn+over+osama+bin+laden&oq=tliban+offered+to+turn+over+bin+ladn&aq=1blK&aqi=g-l1g-blK1&aql=&gs_l=hp.1.1.0i13j0i8i13i30.2595.9935.0.13934.36.36.0.0.0.0.109.3175.31j4.35.0...0.0.JOV6H6xXgyc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=d0f8cd49a0fc8cd2&biw=1136&bih=692
I got an idea, lets start a war so they'll send $300 mil. over here.
p.s. I don't really think that's the answer, but it does make one think.
The simplest definition of a terrorist is someone who wants to perform violent acts of terror on the general public. The more causalities and damage the better. To Americans, the terrorists are Al-Qaeda and those in league with them; and home grown terrorists like Timothy McVeigh and the five bridge blowing guys in Ohio.
Most would not consider US solders as terrorists. Most people would be angered at the suggestion our solders are terrorists.
The problem is that Zionists in America have hijacked American foreign policy and the military and are steering them to fight wars for Israel. Israel gets what it wants: death and destruction in Islamic and Christian nations.
The US army is not trained to kill civilians and does not target them except for uncontrolled maniacs (probably non-Christian, and surely not Muslim) like those shown in the link.
If the US was more independent and more sovereign, these wars would not have happened at all.
A better definition or terrorism is a person or group that uses violence or the threat of violence against the innocent masses for the crimes of the guilty few.
Isn't that what we have done in Afghanistan? A handful of Saudi Arabians and the Mullah who supported them are the guilty few. The innocent masses are the people of Afghanistan of which tens of thousands have been killed by our actions.
Afghanistan was\is a war; not an act of terrorism. The objective was to remove Al-Queda and Taliban who were protecting and supporting them. As with any war there is terror, innocents killed and atrocities. As the saying goes “war is mans greatest inhumanity to mankind”
I do not and did not agree with this war. As a combat veteran I see it as wrong and cost needless lives. We should pull out immediately. However, this war is not terrorism by normally accepted definition. Our soldiers were not performing acts of terror just to terrorize the population. They had specific objectives and were trying to accomplish them. Terror in and of its self is\was not part of the game plan.
The removal of a few hundred Al Qaeda members does not require 100,000+ troops. The war has nothing to do with Al Qaeda, but about installing a pro democratic regime in Afghanistan.
This war is a form of cultural and political rape, inserting our values and democratic principles into an unwilling participant. Of course she is fighting back against the foreign invaders injected into her. She was raped once before, fighting off her Russian attackers successfully with our assistance, but now the rescuer has become the assailant.
Rape is terrorism no matter how well intentioned by it's instigators or misunderstood by it's perpetrators. Our soldiers are the tip of that multi national force, thrusting itself into the deepest recesses of Afghan society. Terrorism is not a matter of weapons, it is the loss of safety, the complete loss of control over ones life.
Your comments are overly dramatic and sensationalized. However, I think the essence of what you’re saying is true. The enemy of the US is Al-Queda, not Afghanistan. But the people of Afghanistan paid the price. If another country invaded my country I wouldn’t be very objective about it either.
My whole point of this discussion is that US soldiers are terrorists, but solders. They are not inflicting violence with the intent of terrorism, rather to get rid of Al-Queda. But I doubt the Afghan people care one way or another. To a lot of them it’s an invasion, not matter what else you want to call it.
Don't forget BoA Chase Goldman AIG Chevron Shell BP Wells Fargo etc etc etc domestic terrorists operating on a global scale.
I agree BoA, Chase, Goldman. Aid, etc.. are greedy, unscrupulous, unethical and often criminal in their practices. However, they do not fit the accepted definition of terrorists. It’s much better to focus on their bad behavior than say something that isn’t true. Terrorism, as most people define it, is not part of large corporations agenda.
There’s more than enough bad corporate activity to get them on rather than suggest they are planning and involved in true violent acts of terrorism.
I think economic terror fits. They stopped working for clients and regard them as prey. They can crash the whole economic system and almost already have - we still have a very long ways to go to recover from their last attack. Economic terror kills too. It just is not as loud or bloody.
I think you’ve coined a new phrase “economic terrorism”. Not sure I agree with it, but to each his own. For what it’s worth I think the entire financial system will fail. Mostly due to the corporate greed and arrogance. It’s too late for a political solution. We will all pay the price.
It is only too late when the dirt is being shoveled into your grave - and then it is still not too late as long as there are people left alive to fight.
Ah, it would be nice to be young and idealistic again. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but the realities of the world do are not sympathetic. In short. The financial and political realities in the US strongly point to things getting much worse before they get better, if they ever get better.
Think about it. The American people are severely divided on almost everything. Not as a matter of normal disagreement or discourse, but to a level of hate and contempt that has never been seen before in America, not even the Civil War. No one thinks the other side can possibly be a reasonable person. The anger and hatred the left and right have for each other is vicious and unrelenting. Each side only wants to destroy the other. There is no middle ground.
As an example of this hate just read a lot of the posts on this. This division of the people can’t be fixed by politics. The division is so bad that people would rather see the country go under rather than work with the other side.
I choose to be a positive influence - not a nay Sayer or a doubting Thomas. I am not that young chronologically speaking though I do try to stay young at heart. My days in the sun are waning. I look to make sure that the sun may shine for those who come after me to this world this life. I look to create a healthy and prosperous and well balanced world for all who are alive today and for the generations to follow. This I address by urging all to participate and support or confront the issues of our time with an eye to the future as well.
I stand corrected on assuming you were young, my apology. I’m an senior citizen myself (meaning old geezer). Also, I applaud wanting to be a positive influence, certainly an admiral goal.
I guess different people look at thing different ways. Maybe it’s a personality thing. I consider myself a realist, I see the world as it is in my eyes, not what I’d like it to be. Beyond that you can be optimistic or pessimistic. But everyone should be able to see the realities of the absolute hate between the left and right in the US. It’s so bad that I doubt we’ll ever get anything done until we address the level of hate as an issue itself.
That is the problem. We will address the issue by addressing health and prosperity for all. Actions speak louder than words. There must be a goal a better world to be achieved - if you have no goal you will make no plans to get there. We need to adopt the long view and address achieving harmony. There is the goal to plan for.
For the record, I’m not trying to be sarcastic or troll you with the following statements. Just stating what I think the realities are.
The idea that we will all join hands and sing Kumbaya is naive. It won’t happen. Never has and never will. Addressing health and prosperity is and has always has been the goal of most people and the US government. The left think they have the answers for prosperity and so do the right. So we’re right back where we started. Just arguing and demonizing each other.
I just don’t see things changing unless or until it all crumbles on top of us. Then, maybe, we will work together.
In Post-NDAA Amerika, What is a Terrorist and Who Can Make You Disappear by Calling You One?
http://amerikanreich.com/2012/02/25/in-post-ndaa-amerika-what-is-a-terrorist-and-who-can-make-you-disappear-by-calling-you-one/
Thanks for the link.
The majority of 'leaders' support endless war ........... D's & R's !!
Where does that leave us?
It leaves us searching for leaders who don't support endless war. There are a few out there
Out of 535 seats in congress and there are a few? Most candidates supported by corporate and PAC money are also hawks. Good luck in finding 'rulers' who don't support endless wars. Your choices are limited at best. I get your point, and I don't support hawks; but K St sets policy. That's where the money is. Besides, they can say anything they want before the election; and do what they want after. There is no accountability. Open corruption run a muck.
Cheers
Rocky Anderson, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul are possible candidates. Start your search here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2012
It is a hard truth for Americans to accept, so they you usually just end up ignoring it.
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Who are the terrorists? -- The Axis of Uvil: UK, their puppets Usrael, and the puppets' puppets, US