Forum Post: Rand Vs Brennan
Posted 11 years ago on March 7, 2013, 7:27 a.m. EST by OTP
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/03/06/qa-rand-paul-drones-and-brennan/
You may not like his other views on what hte role of government is in regards to social nets and regulations, but we can all agree its about time SOMEONE started making at least a peep on the drones and the bombs.
OK, here is the deal on Paul an the NDAA. I am a bit disappointed that GirlFriday has not admitted to her error, but our Govt can certainly be confusing.
S3254 was a version of the NDAA that had the indefinite detention clause STRIPPED FROM THE BILL and words to chill out the AUMF. This bill passed 98-0 and yes, Paul voted for that. However, McCain and some other assholes put the language back into the FINAL BILL, S4310 and Paul voted against it.
The VAWA.
How did he vote on that?
I have noticed that many are confused by my vote for NDAA. Please allow me to explain.
First, we should be clear about what the bill is. NDAA is the yearly defense authorization bill. It’s primary function is to specify which programs can and can't be funded within the Pentagon and throughout the military. It is not the bill that spends the money—that comes later in an appropriations bill.
Because I think we should spend less, I will offer amendments to cut spending. I will likely vote against the final spending bill. This wasn't it.
This bill also isn’t about indefinite detention. This year's bill did not contain the authorization for indefinite detention.
That provision was in last year's NDAA bill.
The bill this year contained the amendment I supported which sharply limited the detention power, and eliminated it entirely for American citizens in the US. While it is only a partial victory, it was a big victory. Particularly compared to what passed last year. Even so, I will continue to fight to protect anyone who could possibly be indefinitely detained.
I would never vote for any bill, anywhere, that I believed enhanced the government's power to abridge your rights and detain people. This goes against every principle I hold dear and the Constitution I took an oath to uphold and protect.
Government power and the many associated abuses have been piling up for years. We will not win all our liberties back at once. But we did win one battle this year, and we should be pleased that we did while also realizing the fight is really just getting started.
I hope you will keep fighting alongside me.
Start here: http://americanvisionnews.com/5036/rand-paul-explains-flip-flop-on-ndaa-activist-group-blasts/
You'll never win the fight against US government by getting a law passed here and there. The system is broken beyond repair. We have to stop concentrating on decoys. What matters is Occupy and anarchy. A country run by the people, for the people. That's the last hope for US. You're drowning in politics when you should be helping to plan the next Occupy invasion.
Is that right? Do tell.
Gee, and you chose me to discuss this with. Not the author of the thread and not FF? Why is that?
I get stinkled fo stating facts? WOw. Obama is the greatest president ever!!!!! (that blatant lie should get some twinkle love)
Yes. Whatever you do, don't use facts.
LOL
The leopard still can't change it's spots.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/rand-paul-no-progressive-hero-despite-anti-drone-filibuster
It can still perform in the circus though.
Funny how those that deride the circus embrace it when a Paul performs.
John Stewart and the ACLU liked what he did.
http://news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-wins-applause-gop-liberals-180806521--abc-news-politics.html
Eh, he bent over like a good politician today after getting his little note from Holder.
Time for the media to move onto the next story. Nothing to see here.
I don't like him at all. Essentially, these are the same questions that have been asked by the public. We have as yet received a logical response. The same line of questioning is used in Hedges v Obama. The government refused to answer
He voted for the 2013 NDAA
GF, perhaps you can provide the link that says Rand voted for NDAA. I just googled it since I could not believe you since it does appear you were wrong?
Why criticize Rand for raising the profile of "the same questions that have bee asked by the public"? Is that not the job of our elected officials...whether you like a particular one or not?
Roll call 2013 NDAA http://www.ibtimes.com/ndaa-bill-2013-how-did-your-senator-vote-992940
I'm confused, did Rand Paul vote for the 2013 NDAA?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/ndaa-indefinite-detention-bill-rand-paul_n_2347774.html
http://www.dailypaul.com/265603/rand-paul-explains-ndaa-vote
I can criticize Rand as much as I feel like. It isn't my problem how special he needs to feel today
Wow - lovers of Rand Shithead not liking your comment much - Hey?
I'm confused, did Rand Paul vote for the 2013 NDAA?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/ndaa-indefinite-detention-bill-rand-paul_n_2347774.html
http://www.dailypaul.com/265603/rand-paul-explains-ndaa-vote
Yes. Ok, at the end of November there was a vote on the Feinstein amendment. This is Rand's amendment. http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/11/30/senate-passes-indefinite-detention-limitations-amid-various-interpretations-of-the-statute-language/
And everybody says: lolwut?
December 4th, the senate passes w/ amendment 98-0-----with all the rest (Iran, etc.)
And everybody says: lolwut?
Now, Paul issues his statement espwaining.
Since the House and the Senate have two different versions this all goes to a congressional committee that has to .....become one with the force? Rectify where there are differences? Merge into a single lane?
http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/budget-appropriations/270973-senate-passes-key-defense-policy-bill-
They drop the Feinstein amendment on 12/18 and everything else and the revised version gets sent back and is voted on again. Now, Rand jumps up and down.
Thanks for the clarification.
Yes. Ok, at the end of November there was a vote on the Feinstein amendment. This is Rand's amendment. http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/11/30/senate-passes-indefinite-detention-limitations-amid-various-interpretations-of-the-statute-language/
And everybody says: lolwut?
December 4th, the senate passes w/ amendment 98-0-----with all the rest (Iran, etc.)
And everybody says: lolwut?
Now, Paul issues his statement espwaining.
Since the House and the Senate have two different versions this all goes to a congressional committee that has to .....become one with the force? Rectify where there are differences? Merge into a single lane?
http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/budget-appropriations/270973-senate-passes-key-defense-policy-bill-
They drop the Feinstein amendment on 12/18 and everything else and the revised version gets sent back and is voted on again. Now, Rand jumps up and down.
http://www.examiner.com/article/sen-rand-paul-voted-yes-for-the-650-billion-2013-ndaa
Who you gonna believe...the examiner or senate.gov? http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00229
And then we have this fuckin idiot Rubio calling Jay Z a "modern day poet"... We have THE DUMBEST LAZIEST FREAKS in Congress ever. Ever. There is no way on earth we have ever had a more shameful bunch of low level pond scum that these horrendous pukes.
Jay Z and Beiyonce are BFF's with our Organizer-in-Chief. Strange indeed.
I seriously think we should start having entrance exams for congress. I mean a doctor has to take exams....engineers have ot take exams....a school teacher has to take exams....but the people leading the entire f'n country and arguably the world don't have to prove they know $hit.
Seriously what are the qualifications? Get up on stage and manipulate people through pretty sounding words and a big smile.
You got idiots like Governor Perry up on stage who got a D in Econ 101 in college talking about how he's going to fix the economy....this guy could possibly win the position to control the most powerful country in the world??? WTF?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxlxJw1KH4Q
Let's just get rid of Congress altogether and replace it with anarchy. Why patch up systems which are broken beyond repair. Duct taping a leaking pipe doesn't help for long.
Be a whore. Thats the only qualification. Behave and be a whore.
And let's add a brain scan to screen out sociopathy.
lol i'd back that suggestion.
Brennan himself seems to be some kind of pathological liar. Recall his "Osama hid behind his wives" schpiel? It seems he can't resist gilding the lily.
exactly...i don't trust that guy at all
He is a total hypocrite, and anyone who could back Romney for president is obviously in there to be "one of the guys" and thats it. Freedom my ass.
That being said, I was glad to see SOMEONE attempting to bring light to the Americans killed overseas and where this all leads to.
I want to agree here. The problem that I have with him is his timing He knew he pissed off a lot of people by voting for the NDAA which makes this nothing more than political theater.
GF, please quit saying Paul voted for NDAA when he did not.
FF---suck it up.
I have no ideawhat the examiner was talking about...here is the roll call on the bill sent to prez from .gov site...PAUL VOTED NAY
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00229
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00221
You are showing the vote for 3254...it was NOT the final bill signed by our Organizer-in-Chief. The thing you are referring to was added as an ammendment to he FINAL NDAA that Paul voted NAY on. Follow the progression here
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN03254:@@@R
DOMA
How did he vote on DOMA?
What does he say about access laws for the disabled?