Forum Post: Raise taxes
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 1, 2012, 9:37 p.m. EST by BlackSun
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from Agua León, BC
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Okay all you liberal/Marxist/leftist/anarchists here's what ya do: when you master Obama wins in November that is your first step. Then in the mid term elections your democrats should re gain a congressional majority. You can raise any or all taxes and we will have utopia in our lifetime!
Raise taxes...On who? Oh..I get it Raise them on the people who like wars and giving themselves tax breaks and making decisions to fuck this cuntry up..
Now that's a fucking good idea!
Hey, I'm pretty sure BlackSun is Thrasy.
Thanks...hard to tell who is who..
Nope.
And there ya go! You leftists can make it happen! Only 2 years away!
Leftist? I don't think so...But I believe in fairness and justice..and a lot of what this country used to represent which obviously you don't...
We are headed for a fascist era here..Which fucking side are you on..
how is it fair if I work hard and do well and you don't work hard that I have to give you my hard earned money? How is that fair? 47% of the public don't pay any Federal tax, how is that fair?
Hey, it's the 1% who make up the tax code and if they make it so people aren't paying taxes...It's generally STFU money...
A guy making 50G with a wife and 4 kids..pays no taxes... A guy making 1M pays no SS after 117G...I think that's the number.. A hedge fund manger pays little in taxes..
47% of people don't pay taxes because, we generally have a lot more poor people out there...You have to look at the numbers...Not just sound bites..
The BLS says unemployment rate is 8.X right but look here:
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
Now if unemployment is 22% and the rest (24%) are employed in shit jobs it would make sense that 47% of Americans don't pay taxes..
It's not fair that you have to pay taxes and it's not fair that lots of people are in shitty low wage jobs...
Look to CONgress and the terrific trade policies they've inflicted on Americans....All part of a plan to make the working class more "competitive" with China....
Whatever you bought, that comes from a Foxconn factory, Chuck it..
I don't want to work and pay taxes when you don't.
That's interesting...it's interesting because, I paid taxes when you did not (anyone under the age of 30). I paid taxes that benefited a great many of you and did very little or nothing for me.
I paid for schools my children did not attend, I paid for highways I did not use, I paid for parks I'll never go to, I paid for hospitals which do not serve me nor my family.
I paid taxes in lots of states and cities, I paid tax on the fuel I bought, the food I ate, clothing I bought.
I didn't whine about it either, matter of fact, I'm not whining about it now. I am, however, pointing out that I paid it forward, along with thousands of others. What makes you different that you should not pay it forward too?
Why should I work and pay Federal taxes when 46% of the population doesn't. Why should I pay to go to college and graduate school when others don't. Did they work to get through school. Why should I work to keep my family together and do better when others don't.
You could be looking at it backwards. Ask instead 'Why not?'
So you will force me to go to school, to work, to stay married. Next stop, totalitarian state!!!
My, my, you seem a bit paranoid.
Look at history, look at China. This country was founded on liberty, not on governmental control. It's why people fled the European countries to begin with. Because of that, the US has been the "cit on the hill". We shouldn't get away from that.
China was never founded on liberty. Prior to the People's Revolution, it was a empire, ruled by an emperor. The People's Revolution was communistic from the beginning.
People fled European countries to begin with because of such things as famine and wars, from some European countries they were forcibly removed as 'criminals'.
So often those who quote the Constitution as a foil against taxation, miss the elegance of Section. 8. Of Article 1.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
I said you seem a bit paranoid because of your response to a simple premise, look at the issues from the other side.
You ask 'did they work to go through school?' You neglect, maybe they never had the opportunity to go to school in the first place (beyond compulsory education).
You ask 'Why should I work to keep my family together and do better when others don't.' You neglect so many others who would gladly work if only they could, you neglect those who do work, but can only find low paying jobs...you place value on dollars and not the people...
When I say 'Ask, Why not?' You accuse me (generic me) of forcing you to educate yourself, to work, to stay married...yet those are things outside whatever true value you have to yourself and the world around you...
The words ''Why should I?" are terribly self centered words, I'm sure there is more to you than that.
Every person has the opportunity to go to school. What they did with it or studied during it is up to each individual. A job is a job no matter if it is high paying or low paying. We have had so many jobs in this country that we have immigrants risking their lives to come here when existing citizens who are not working wont take those jobs.
There is a direct correlation between marriage, family, and success. Many of the less fortunate and unemployed in this country don't want to be responsible for their actions and we are afraid to say but we all know it. Children who are born to mothers out of wedlock or children in single family homes are likely to less well than their counterparts.
If we want to help those less fortunate then we need to be direct with people, not penalize those who are working hard.
Good...then let's watch as our country burns!...Hell let's play some appropriate music..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHh0V7UjVXI&feature=related
That seems to be par for the course for you OWS people. Let's attack city hall and vandalize it. That's really good behavior. Stomp your feet because you want an easy life where somebody else provides for you.
Look...Who created this society of dependency? This society doesn't need OWS' help to burn...It's doing it all by itself..The game's over now..Wall Street is just playing with itself now..No new suckers.
Everybody wants the easy life...Sure and those fuckers on Wall Street are just as bad as any grifter on the street....They are the ones being provided for...and for what?
They haven't "earned" shit.
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Well said.
Thank you...
You think this society is burning? How old are you. Do you remember the 70's and the economic problems. We were in real trouble then until Reagan came in and implemented sound money and limited government. It unleashed the growth and innovation that we have seen over the past 30 years.
Yes I think we are in real trouble..Society is burning..Because of promised kept and corruption exploited..It's a world wide issue of dependence...Keeping people dependent on this system is a plan...
BTW I'm 46 years old. I've seen this system...We can do better.
No we are not in trouble. We are In a recession. We need to get people back to work.
It's a depression..The people who we've put in office, really don't care that much about putting people to work or fixing the housing issue or much of anything else.
Why should they care, they got theirs..and besides why should they change anything? They made the laws that got us here in the first place.
It's pretty hard to fix the housing market. It will take time as people deleverage.
The economy is getting better as velocity returns. The problem is what will be the normal rate of growth. Can we get the GDP up close to 3% or are we in a slow growth environment.
The laws don't have much impact. The biggest impact is monetary policy then followed by fiscal policy.
If you are 46 then you should remember much harder times than this. The foreign debt problems and the S&L crisis were both much worse as a percent of GDP. The difference is we had sound monetary policy then and the administration has implemented lower tax policies that spurred growth. We grew our way out of those problems and that is what we will need to do now.
What is "fascist?
You already know, but just for fun here's Naomi Wolf to explain it....
http://www.dailypaul.com/54990/naomi-wolf-10-signs-of-fascism-in-america
Vote for RP...Just to shake this system up..It needs it.
I like the "F" your Government sign..
Of yeah. The world expert Naomi Wolf. That's not an answer. What do YOU think it is?
Fascism is just a label..What is happening in this country and others is more like Corporatism with aspects of Fascism....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
It doesn't matter what I think...As far as Naomi Wolff, she's right, we are losing our rights and we are nearing a period where things are starting to take on the air of Fascism.
I agree it is more corporatism than fascism.
Thank you..although we may both be wrong...
What is up with your utopian fantasy. politics is not about such childish things. It's about getting yours and keeping it. after all, you don't believe Republicans offer utopia, do you? Utopia is the stuff fiction books are made of and sold to the gullible at a premium price.
You need to spend some more time on this site. And for the record no the republicans can't provide it either. With respect I don't think you understand the OP.
Fascist always try for the comeback .Black sun sorry your boys just are not going to make it.The people have woke up.
My boys?
10 percent FLAT tax NO DEDUCTIONS/ NO EXEMPTIONS/NO OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS - let's face it it's not the percent you pay it's what you're able to deduct.... I'm for this can we come together everyone?
I agree with you. But these liberals are convinced that a progressive tax ( so called) is what is fair. An admittedly warped sense of fairness.
raise taxes on the rich and give it to the poor, instead our government just consumes it and doesnt serve we the people anymore, its evident thruout society, just look at all the school districts getting government grants for more government spending, while small business financing is drying up and people are losing jobs! and dont even get me started on the small claims court collection activities on the poor by such places as check city, check into cash, and all those other predatory lenders.
yeah, tax the funny money they print....that,s the way to raise "money"...
Why are you crazy?
It's (R)epelican'ts that raise taxes. Teabaggers just raised mine.
It's the (R)epelican't notion of tax and subsidize ones cronies.
Not to mention even Mr. P is happy to tax and earmark.
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Here's where I differ: I do not think the government offers salvation. Our government is totally corrupted. Look at the number of tax cheats that have been suggested by Obama's administration for cabinet and department positions. Likewise, google the top tax evading companies. Most are top financial contributors to our politicians. How would giving the government more funding help people? They would merely misappropriate it. Sad but true. Give to reputable, community-based charities.
I agree with you but all the Marxists worship government control. But only if their beloved democrats have absolute power.
Obama is a corporate-military fascist same as all the rethug candidates,. you have a weak grasp of reality.
I think many people here would disagree with you. Obama is their God. And the democrat party is their prophet. The republicans are Satan to them. Only Leftistvthought can make everything fair, equal, etc....
Obama is clearly NOT a leftist,. anyone saying so is most obviously a partisan party-line dogmatic dimwit. Obama is to right of that rethug god, the corporate talking-head, Ronald Reagan.
And no, most people here do not support either of the TWO sides of the same political coin,. the american fascist party has two wings the dems and the rethugs,. any change in party is no change to the system at all,. so spouting this partisan silliness fools no one.
You need to spend some more time on this forum. There are many regular posters here that believe the only problems are all caused by republicans. They are convinced that the democrats can and will solve our problems.
Hmmmmm. Feb. 3rd
You talk like you've been here a while. Yet, you've not.
How many years were you asleep?
I've been here before. And I'm finally seeing some honesty from all you Marxists that believe in one party rule. More and more seem to agree.
I don't want one party.
I just want the (R)epelican'ts gone.
They have out lived their usefulness to America.
I will happily accept almost any replacement party.
Greens, or even those silly libe(R)tarians.
I just say this.
(R)epelican'ts have got to go!
It's still a relatively free country, so some other party will take it's place.
I see. Would you also accept a communist and fascist parties? And you know that another conservative party will form.
Why would it be up to my acceptance?
In the words of Archie Bunker.
"Get to the purnt Edith".
You are a waste of time and you are getting too predictable. Never mind.
Awwww.....Edith can't get to the purnt.
Poor Edith...............:(
I am for 0% Federal Income Tax.
As for other taxes, I am open-minded to the discussion.
Am I wrong?