Forum Post: Protestors put Hitler in power. Remember that!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 15, 2011, 11:30 p.m. EST by UmHiRetards
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I'm in 25,000 dollars in debt from college--my fault
I was foreclosed on my home--my fault
I have huge medical bills because i have no insurance.--my fault
I want everyone to be taken care of----your fault!
But protesters didn't put Hitler in power.
Voters put Hitler in power.
What's your point?
Protestors influenced the voters!
So... your point is... protesters that are demanding greater accountability for Wall Street... might influence voters... to vote for a 20th century dictator who is the personification of evil???
Because that doesn't really seem like a point. That just seems like a series of non sequiturs.
What accountability do you want?
Primarily: regulation of the markets, oversight of corporate practices, prosecution of white-collar criminals, and regulation of lobbying and campaign financing.
For more details, see: http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/
I can assure you that you'll find very little in the way of, say: "And an evil authoritarian dictator committed to genocidal war." Such a demand would be counterproductive in our aim of holding Wall Street accountable, to say the least.
The primarily is already in place. Be more specific, regulate markets in what way? What exactly do you mean by oversight? What white collar criminals are getting away with? and well the lobbying .....i agree with.
As I said:
For more details, see: http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/
I can assure you that you'll find very little in the way of, say: "And an evil authoritarian dictator committed to genocidal war." Such a demand would be counterproductive in our aim of holding Wall Street accountable, to say the least.
Who is wall street? Tell me who are they?
They were choosing between Communism and Socialism. Communism put Hitler in power.
What on earth are you talking about? There were 11 parties that ran in the German federal election of March 1933. The Nazis won that election decisively, taking 44% of the vote. The Communist party won just 12.3% of the vote -- less than the Catholic parties (the Centre Party and Bavarian People's Party combined for 13.9% of the vote).
"Communism put Hitler in power"? You might as well say "German agrarian political parties such as the DPB and the Agrarian League put Hitler in power."
Better than protesters =/
The Nazi rise to power was better than people exercising their right to assemble peaceably?
Their both related.....communism and socialism.
No, they are not. Tell that to the voters who put Hitler in office? They are two totally different economic systems. Hi retard.
HI, oh i guess you didn't read the communist manifesto by karl marx. Teach me!! You know so much. Re-read my comment, i never said they were the same. Screenshot it!!! But socialism is never mentioned in that book huh?
The Communism they were voting against was drastically different than the Communism that is in the Communist Manifesto. God I hate people that cite the Communist Manifesto. They were voting against the Communist party that was in the Societ Union and was infiltrating Germany as it did every other country AROUND Germany. They were voting against Totalitarian Communists who were killing anyone who didn't support them. Since there hasn't been a Communist party unlike that since the Communist Manifesto was written, the definition of what Communism is has drastically altered from what was written in that little flimsy book.
=) I know. I just wanted you to yell because, well your name pissed me off.
I'm sorry!
And now the Media influences voters. They put Bush into power.
The media has always influenced voters. But it's certainly a stretch to say "they put Bush in power." Bush didn't even win the popular vote in 2000 (it's unclear whether he was the real electoral vote winner as well) -- how could it have been media influence on voters that put Bush in power?
Because George Bush wasn't very far ahead in the polls against John McCain during the race for the Republican nomination in 2000 until the mega PR campaign masterminded by Karl Rove and pushed by NewsCorp began airing television attack-ads against the former Vietnam POW.
And don't you recall the ridiculous attack ads against John Kerry during the 2004 election? Al Gore would have won in 2000 if he hadn't been quoted out of context as saying he invented the Internet--a quote that Bush's ad campaign pushed tirelessly.
OK, but there's a huge difference between saying "The media put Bush into power" and saying "Karl Rove's masterful PR campaign was instrumental in getting Bush nominated as the Republican candidate for President, where he lost the popular vote and won the electoral vote thanks to a controversial Supreme Court decision that continues to divide people more than a decade later."
I've been staying at the occupy wall street movement. Seeing it spread globally in this way has worried me. I've put all the pieces together. This movement will grow till it's so big and the message of solidarity and we being the 99% will grow so big the powers that be will have to answer the people. The answer will be one world government. It is inevitable. Please people understand this was all started for that purpose. Everything that is happening now was predicted in the book of revelations. Not even being a Jesus freak. Just read it and you will know. Everything happening was fore told. Please people know that there is nothing we can do to stop it. I just hope we the people dont suffer. But that is also inevitable.
so when did the one world govenment come into fruition after the peaceful movement of MLK's civil rights demands, when did the one world gov't come to power after Ghandi's peaceful protests. Please stop the excessive paranoia, it only makes YOU look like a nut. If you want to worry about who is trying to turn the world into a one world power, Just FOLLOW the money. Those 1%ers want to turn America into a corporation, and last I heard, corporations are not guided by or beholden to the democratic process. Corporations believe one voice (CEO) controls all, subordinates only duty is to obey the ones voice. Yeah... sure doesn't sound like a democracy. Now a republic, yeah... sounds somewhat like that. Rome was a republic... hey.. you know I think I just guessed where the term Republican came from... Uh-oh, that means they are trying to install a new Emperor. Hey, they certainly aren't listening to the people whom them are by constitutional mandate obligated to obey the will of, not the richest 1%
Since your not a Jesus freak......why do you post the Book of Revelations as the Gospel?
Sadly you are on the right track. Do not give up hope. Be free in your realization that the economy is rigged and enforced under violent threat. Its collapse has been engineered as a pretext to WWIII. DEMAND PEACE. You are already free! DEMAND PEACE! There is NO security in supporting violent domination any longer. They plan on killing billions. Take back your moral authority without judgement and demand Peace.
Thy kingdom come!
When do the flying monkeys come out, I love that part.
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions. Adolph Hitler 1927
So….you must be scared? Good.
It want's to blame the 99% for everything.
Protesters put George Washington in power.
Protestors also did away with child labor. Protestors got women the vote. It got Americans the 8 hour work day. It got rid of segregation. You don't get anything without ASKING for it.
oh - and the medical bills, you really think that's your fault? you really think i government should not provide state medical care? it's massively successful in the UK and in Canada,, why can't it work in the States? Because you have a private system that is profit making - imagine your health is in the hands of people that need to make a profit, it's madness. Even college, it should not be so expensive for someone to get an education!!! Up until two years again University education in the UK was free with a grant programme and tiny tuition fees. These things you say are not your fault because it does NOT have to be that way. There is another way, it exists in other countries and it works well!
IBM gave material support to the Nazi regime. So did Prescott Bush.
Who else? can't think I'm getting sleepy I know there are more grand high exalted capitalists who aided and abetted.
wow...and you went to college?? Your post is a great example of how the education system has really suffered from the problems OWS are trying to tackle. Forget that fact that protests truly DID NOT put Hitler in power, why not focus on all the great things protests have achieved, ever heard of Ghandi??
And voters put George W. Bush in office the first time (we all remember how he stole the election the second time). Bush and Cheney started trillion-dollar wars to line the pockets of Halliburton's and Blackwater's boards and investors. What does it matter if evil is instated by popular voted, protest or military junta? All that truly matters is good prevailing.
Does that mean the economy is your fault too... because from the sound of it, you are one of the ones who put those tea party obstructionist people into a position of power in congress. Anyone who tries to disembowel the patient in an alleged attempt to save the patients life, seriously has no right to call themselves a doctor. The repubs are gutting this once proud and moderately prosperous nation all so that a few plantation owners (the 1%er's) and their paid sycophants (a vast majority of congress) can maintain their daily back rubs and caviar parties. Oh, and for correction to your inaccurate analogy as too the origin of the Nazi party, the Nazi parties intent was to seize power on the premise of racial and national purity as the means to save their nation and sought to silence ANY vocal or written opposition to their message. Near as I can tell, the only ones who seem to be following that pattern so far are the Tea Party Protestors. Occupy wall street protestors are by definition solely making their voices heard about what they find unfair and unjust in the state of our nation, they have not sought to silence ANYONE. Only true Nazis seek to silence opposition. Wall street and the 1% have committed moral and ethical crimes against this nation, as well as numerous legal violations. We the 99% are simply witnesses seeking to bring such injustices into the public consciousness for redress. By the way, good for you to admit that you are at fault when you are truly at fault for something. But there are things beyond anyone's fault. Having someone steal your livelihood and means to maintain even a modest standard of living can in no way be the fault of the victim. Its like people blaming President Obama for the State of the Economy. Try this analogy...A man is on a ladder trying to reach a victim in the high window of a burning building, but no matter how hard he tries, he can't reach them... care to guess why? Why, it's because there are a few bad people constantly knocking the ladder out from under him as he tries to rescue the victim. Did you get that the Man on the Ladder is President Obama and that the Victim is the American People, and of course the punks knocking over the Ladder I'm sure you have deduced is the OBSTRUCTIONIST CONGRESS! Anyways go back to your puppetmasters. No one here is demanding to be taken care of. We simply demand.... well maybe if you listen you might hear a lot of demands, but you know what, NOT ONE OF THEM will be "OOO take care of Me!" I paid into Social Security all my life, you're damn right I expect to get my retirement when and IF I reach age enough to retire. This was a social compact made for the benefit of ALL Americans, not just the rich privileged few. Thus endeth the lesson for today. Please close the door quietly on the way out.
No, your home foreclosure was PARTIALLY your fault - I know, I used to think that way, too, until I realized how the system worked.
Why do you think that you were allowed to get a mortgage in the first place, if you were subprime (I assume that you are)? Because your bank made money off of your mortgage. See, after the Glass-Steagall Act was repealed, commercial banks could start investing - meaning, they could start selling your mortgages as investments. Remember back when everyone thought that houses were such good investments? And how housing prices would never fall, despite figures showing that the supply of houses were outstripping the demand? See, the sad thing about academia is that professors ultimately fight for funding, and economists sometimes get their funding from banks. Since we are all human and only listen to what we want to hear, the bankers created an environment where theories that legitimized the idea that wealth could grow forever tended to survive and become popular.
Because of this notion that housing prices would rise forever, bankers persuaded their buyers that buying mortgages en masse was a safe investment, since even if people defaulted, the banks could seize the house and sell it for a higher price. So bankers made a lot of money off of selling those mortgages - and they made so much money that they decided that it was a good idea to hand out mortgages left and right, without any consideration about if the person could pay off the mortgage or not.
Then, the housing prices start to fall - of course it would, if supply and demand works the way it naturally does - and many people start defaulting.
And the kicker is, this practice of selling mortgages en masse spread to other countries - and other countries even bought our toxic assets. So when the system started to collapse, the financial crisis that resulted happened GLOBALLY, and caused a GLOBAL recession.
So whose fault was it that something happened on this scale? If it was just you defaulting, nothing drastic will happen - no global recession would happen. Who was responsible for this collapse of the world financial market? Who set up a system where it was possible for people to default en masse? Who caused this global recession?
Guess what? Not you.
It's the bankers'.
Yet, it's the bankers who got all the bailout money - all the taxpayer money. The same people who, in their blind quest for more money, caused a global financial crisis. You have to realize that this isn't capitalism, if you are a proponent of capitalism - because real capitalists don't get bailed out with taxpayer money. If you are a proponent of socialism, this isn't socialism, either - all the money is going to the rich, instead of having the government put the bankers to jail, seize their wealth, and give the wealth to the people so that they won't get a foreclosure, and put new, competent bankers to run the banks.
Also, keep in mind that we're not as poor as the Germans were when Hitler came into power.
The notion that housing would rise forever? Seriously, It was my decision to buy the mortgage and the banker didn't persuade me. If I paid my bills, I wouldn't get forclosed......that's all there is to it. Then the Collateralized debt obligations would be met and those investments would have been great for the banks and we wouldn't have to bail them out. Instead, I was stupid and signed up for a mortgage that i couldn't afford.
The issue here is the global recession. You didn't cause the global recession, a huge number of people who defaulted did. Why would you have such a huge number of people default? If the banks didn't sell off debt to another person and becoming responsible for their own mortgages, this wouldn't happen, since they would be more prudent about lending mortgages so that a huge number of people won't default.
I agree that people should start taking more responsibility, but it's clear to me that the bankers are the ones who should be taking up the most responsibility, but aren't.
Besides, some economists tried to warn them that their system was bound to collapse. For example, Niall Ferguson, a professor at the London School of Economics (this is the Harvard of economics schools) writes that:
"Enthusiasts [of selling mortgages] spoke of the death of volatility. Self-satisfied bankers held conferences with titles like 'The Evolution of Excellence'. In November 2006 I found myself at one such conference in the characteristically luxurious venue of Lyford Cay in the Bahamas. The theme of my speech was that it would not take much to cause a drastic decline in the liquidity that was then cascading through the global financial system and that we should be cautious about expecting the good times to last indefinitely. My audience was distinctly unimpressed. I was dismissed as an alarmist. One of the most experienced investors there went so far as to suggest to the organizers that they 'dispense altogether with an outside speaker next year, and instead offer a screening of Mary Poppins'."
And this is coming from a pretty conservative guy who still believes in imperialism. As you can see, the financial world tends to believe in this delusion that you can keep getting wealthier forever, and they don't listen to anyone who says otherwise.
So the banks could have listened to those who warned them in 2006. You have to admit that they bear most of the responsibility.
Hitler used terror and fear tactics to seize power. His henchmen burned down the Reichstag building: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire and blamed it on the Jews and communists.
The college debt is the only problem that you should have out of that list, and if there were decent jobs in America (as there should be) you would be able to pay off that $25 grand in a few years.
The banks set you up to fail paying off your home. Then when their policies failed they used your tax money to give themselves bonuses. - not your fault!
There should nationalized health insurance covering everyone. -not your fault!
Everyone should be taken care of. - of course! What are we, wild animals? Perhaps that is all we are... but I hope for more for the human race.
I could've not put myself in college debt. I could've paid my mortgage, and yes it was a fixed 3 %. Like millions were. Oh yeah, health insurance could be free. No one pays doctors and nurses i forgot.....i'll re-nig on that one. I guess I don't need to take care of myself. I'm now going to join you.
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Hitler put Hitler in power by assassinating all political opposition. What a silly comment.
LOL! That's why he had wide public support of germany! GO PEOPLE!!!
So your argument is because a popular movement gave rise to Hitler, then therefore all popular movements are evil?
Nope, never said that. Re read then respond again!
Well you don't really make a direct point about Hitler, other than that he was put into power by protesters. So I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. But the point about medical insurance is unfair. I talked to someone on this forum who works over 14 hours a day at his own businesses and is about to go bankrupt because he cannot afford to pay his wife's chemo treatments and support his son at the same time. So don't tell me medical care in this country is fair. The cost of medical care in USA is outrageous. Second, it may not really be someone's fault for being foreclosed on. If they get laid off and can't find a job, that's not really their fault seeing as the economic crisis was not caused by them. Also, in the foreclosure process, the banks have displayed a complete lack of ethics or due diligence in following through with the closures.
What is fair? It is a term that cannot be accurately defined. Do you think the state will be fair to his wife if they control the healthcare? Hardly! Do you think the state will support his son? Hardly. Just ask the numerous cases against socialist healthcare systems that answer these questions.
I'm not necessarily advocating socialized medicine. But the fact remains that something drastic needs to be done to reduce the cost of medical treatment or to provide affordable health insurance. Ron Paul thinks we need free market healthcare. Which on its face, I don't trust just because I don't trust corporations...but perhaps with proper regulation, competition in the fair market could reduce prices.
You do realize that Hitler only used the concept of socialism to achieve his goals of dictatorship and he ran Germany as a capitalistic society and not a socialist one? See much like Faux News lies to you and you believe it Hitlers propaganda people lied to the German people. Go figure that people who want to rule the world put out propaganda that makes them look like benevolent people and call themselves things like "job creators" when in reality they are just greedy and manipulating the useful idiots.
Yeah, read his speeches and look at his policy.....super capitalist there! I don't watch faux news or whatever you call it, sorry. I think for myself. A corporation has never taken money from me against my will.....but government has!
A corporation has never directly* taken money from you against your will :) Fixed your obvious typo.
Or indirectly......fixed yours!!!
Hilter was also a vegetarian (or was it vegan?) and owned German Shepherds.
He also gave the world the VW Beetle and the clover leaf highway ramp system.
What's your point?
Protesters (American revolutionaries) fought against the British. That's why YOU are an American citizen today.
Still complaining about protesters?
Just know who is behind the protest. Good luck!
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions." ~Adolf Hitler
He said that but then fought against communist and ran the country as a capitalist society. That was simply propaganda for the useful idiots to believe. Much like people believe the rich today are job creators.
How is it someone's fault that college costs 10 times what it did 20 years ago and that wages have not kept pace? How is foreclosure someone's fault if they lost their job and their home's value has shrank while their property tax has skyrocketed? How is it someone's fault who has no health insurance if their job doesn't offer any and their wage is to low to pay the astronomical premiums? Enough of the blame game. The structure of the economy has real problems that need to be addressed.
Oh wait.....I signed up to get paid that certain amount....my fault. Oh wait....I signed the loan for my college tuition. Oh wait.....I chose to pay 500 a month for that new car when I could've bought a health insurance policy. Damn! My fault again! I'm not messed up.....it's the system!
You're wrong in my view, but you're entitled to your opinion. Be careful about judging others. Good luck.
I don't judge.......and thanks for the luck.
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Anyways, I just want to say that I'm really rich because of all my hard work and it had nothing to do with my willingness to take risks with my family and the general lottery of life. So all of you "99%" communist nazi bangers should just get a job and stop smoking weed like they said on Fox News. So what if I can make unlimited contributions to my representatives? So can you!
Don't believe me? Here's a picture of me with my latest invention: http://www.travelfunny.com/funny-pictures/funny-africa/funny-nigeria-02.jpg
Anyways you guys should know that Democratic Socialism breaks the Second Law of Thermodynamics, so there's no way it could work in our Capitalist system.
Quanzo Pfter
none of this wouldhave happened if youw ere hiiiiiiiiiiiiigh like me and my protesting friends!
Dude i' m so there! Let me know your gps coordinates!
40.706964°N 74.009672°W
Totally bro, I'm right under the tarp, Bro, bring me some diapars, I"m gettin RWALLY REALLY lazy these days.
We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions." ~Adolf Hitler
Well said Adolf
And it works, he blown his brains out
Hitlers thugs put in in power, what are you a history PHD
Yeah, i forgot. My bad I guess the downtrotten economy coupled with his socialist rhetoric speeches had no influence on the people. What was I thinking? You win!
http://neo-nazi--teaparty--kkk.blogspot.com/2011/06/gop-hate.html
leaderless movement ? done, next.
Hitler invented the Volkswagon beatle. I am always amused when I drive past a synagogue and see one in the parking lot.
Isn't he already in office? I agree reads a lot like my first post.
Glad you're accepting the blame for your stupidity. But not everybody was at fault and our system didn't need to make it easier for people to do stupid things. Especially when your stupid behavior has affected me negatively through no fault of my own. And when your stupidity causes my bff who is handicapped and can't work to end up dying because of lack of healthcare that you and your kind want to take away from her....then I'll blame you doubly.
But I'm not going to blame hardly any of the OWSers because they aren't trying to take my bffs healthcare away from her!
Kill 10,000 ppl to save 1. I bet you'd support that, if that 1 was someone you loved. But F@#% the 10,000 ppl.
You know, strawmen are an crappy form of argument. But when you take a strawman to this kind of extreme, it's truly evil.
I love the strawman reply. It's so appropriate that you don't value evidence.
Obviously you don't know what a strawman is. It is, by definition, not a strawman to call an argument a strawman. Wiki it. You might learn something.
Wiki manifold embedding. Then wiki numbers involving healthcare statistics, then wiki......oh wait......i forgot how wiki thinks for you. You should just wiki everything.
Oh my! He's so rattled that he's become completely incoherent! :) lol
Hold on let me wiki incoherent! Yep your right. damn you WIKI!!!! :(
Bwah hahahahahahaha!!!
We understand why you are frighted. Change is unnerving. This must be very difficult for you. You and the others who are posting negative comments on this forum are feeling threatened and uncertain. We understand. These are anxious times. Try to consider this from the perspective of those on "the other side" -- THERE IS NO "other side": there is one country, under God.
This is a new leaderless movement, barely one month old. 951 cities would not have joined if this movement were not real...
Join us.
Yea, i can't wait for a collective people to make decisions for me. Because I am not supposed to make decisions for myself. All hail the leaderless movement! (raising arm in air for a salute).
I am the 1%!!! I am the individual!!!
A very small collection of individuals already makes (bad) decisions for you.
We can do better.
We would rather die on our feet than keep living on our knees (James Brown).
Join us.
I can decide if i want to pay for healthcare or not. I can decide if I want to buy exxon's gasoline. I can decide for myself. Who is making bad decisions for me?
We can do better.
Join us.
If you want everyone to be taken care of (in the literal sense of "care") it's probably Jesus's fault. He advocated this kind of morals. And your humility is outstanding. Don't cry, don't blame yourself, poor thing. It's not your fault.
DUDE WHOA WAIT DUDE, HITLER SMOKED WEEEEEEEEED. We smoke weed, don't you get it!? dude, smoke some weeeeeeed. w'ere all stoners! we are the 99% of smokers! Smoek more weed man, ou'll get it! dude yes! smokeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I am a weed smoker! I am the 99%! What was I thinking?!! You enlightened me. Thanks! Every comment from here on out is obsolete. Dude, you are a free man!
dUDE, I KNOW! We need more ppl like yu to wake people up! come join me. I have a sign on wall stret that says "Give me more money, you greedy corporations!" Then i go buy corporation stuff. It's hypocritical but, dude, we have to start somewhere. I can't find anyone who can make a burger quite as good as mcdonalds.
I like how you think! Let me type on my Windows phone real quick to organize this. OMG! We are so gonna change the world! Hold on a minute my Dell keyboard is messin' up. OH F@#$% I'm typing on a corporation's product!!! Dude, I'm so sendin' weed smoke signals from here on out! 2 puffs mean that, we meet in the square. K.....later.
Dude, you just bllllllllllllllew my mind. Your thinking is just like most of the pretesters. We smoke weed out of skull candles and then we smoke more weed. Then we pretest all the curporations because they stole my money! Wait, maybe i spended all my moneys on weeeeeeeeeeed. hmmm ...
Sh*t, where is my backpack.