Forum Post: Police INFILTRATION at Occupy Oakland documented!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 31, 2011, 4 p.m. EST by Dutchess
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I for one have no problem with law enforcement sitting in on public Occupy protests. These are on public grounds. Law enforcement has a responsibility to be observant on public grounds. If a group were meeting in a private setting, and an officer of the law were present in the act of duty... that could legitimately be called "infiltration"... but visiting a public gathering in a public park does not fit that bill.
I'm beginning to believe that I'm out of step with a majority of this movement, if that's right, i'm not part of your 99% and likely the movement doesn't actually represent the 99% because i think i'm not all that different from most folks.
How are 99% of any group to agree with anything but one founding? For the record, I agree with your analysis here that police are to serve the public and facilitate these peaceful protests and constitutional rights. I have no problem with that. But the record shows otherwise. Legislation has been passed and institutons have been founded to violate these very rights. Like the springing up of fusion centers around the country that not only have law enforcement streamlined across local, state and federal govt and has them fight actual crime but now profiles racial backgrounds and political affilliation and documents peoples first amendment rallies etc. We all know we are on a slippery slope. I think what 99% can agree on we need to address the path we are on because it is in total violation with the Rule of Law which only seems to apply to the little guy while getting high govt officials including Presidents off the hook for crimes committed. Starting with Nixon as a prime example. The founders made very clear...We are NOT a nation of men. We are a nation of LAWS!
It's so wierd how they have been conditioning us for years to think this police state is normal and ok .... But its not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWExPhyPeZw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
occupy santa barbara has seen its share of infiltration attempts , with only 100 people at our main saturday protests or 15 core members, we see infiltrators every other day or so.
They are doing it everywhere, and they are trying to incite violence and confusion when they are doing it.
pigs are evil scum. be vigilant.
Tell me about it. I have been harrassed twice for reminding people that vioence is NOT ok and the only way to go about this is peacefully.
anarchists are the problem, not the solution.
agreed!
Someone should post that to:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Recall-Mayor-Jean-Quan-of-Oakland-CA/131515330285437
or even:
http://www.facebook.com/MayorJeanQuan
and pressure her to address this publicly.
NB: I don't have a facebook account, so I can't do it.
I will!
Undercover cops? That's crazy! Now what if the cops made this video just to make you paranoid? It could be anyone. Even you could be a cop.
Thats right. As long as we as citizens are aware of the unconstitutional legislation and institutions that have crept into our system and the fact that citizens are now documented at fusion centers for their political affilliations, race relations, political opinions etc etc. Awarenes is key and not giving in to fear is most important. The minute we fear our govt is the minute we have a dictatorship.
I would be surprised and concerned if there were NOT a firm undercover law enforcement presence inside of all of the Occupy encampments, but especially Oakland. You're talking about a group that is trying to organize a general strike, specifically trying to interfere with commerce. Obviously most of the 99% want the cops to keep an eye on any group that openly aims to incite social unrest.
Ever heard of COINTELPRO & the Church Commission?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO#Illegal_surveillance
Undercover surveillance of political groups is supposed to be illegal even though it unfortunately STILL happens all the time.
Striking and interfering with commerce, on the other hand, are not illegal.
What a sad state this country is in because its citizens don't understand the Constitution.
Amen to your post! Yes it is a sad sad day and it is a result of the fact the U.S Constitution is not taught in public school syste,. The Bill of Rights APPLIES to the Federal Government and is to RESTRAIN government from infringing upon peoples Individual liberties.
This is not a case of the FBI spying on Communist Party members in their homes. This is law enforcement surveillance of a group of people who have assembled in public with the express purpose of breaking laws, who have announced imminent actions aimed at disturbing the peace and interfering with commerce. Don't blindly assume that the rest of "the 99%" are against the cops keeping a close eye on that kind of thing.
Who says they have the 'express purpose of breaking the laws'?? YOU DO!
People have a Constitutional right to peacefully assemble and so far the violence has come from police forces out of control.
They're in the middle of inciting for a general strike. Of course law enforcement is going to keep a close eye on them. That's what cops are for. You seriously must be kidding or disingenuous if you're pretending that this surprises you.