Forum Post: Please give me a definitive answer.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 11:12 p.m. EST by Chany
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I cannot find one absolute statement about OWS. It seems it is just a bunch of people loosely connected by a vague political ideal. Don't get me wrong, I actually like some of the ideas, but please give me an answer to what you guys are doing. I want a definite link answer, a true official statement, not a bunch of people in the comments box giving their political views.
If it is a call to arms, I still don't understand why they are actively protesting in the streets. Could someone answer?
You have to ask OWS. Not this forum.
Where can I ask?
See how the process works here: http://nycga.cc/ There is no definitive statement, it's consensus building and inclusive of all voices! Join us and add yours! :)
bump.
The group that organized this..Adbusters is from Canada. They are openly anti-capitalists. They started OWS.
http://www.adbusters.org/about/adbusters
http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/36-adbusters
However I see that the movement has attracted more then the anti-capitalists crowd. I'm not sure they counted on that. Now the people are taking notice of the movement. I am not surprised to see other political types try and step in. I think most PEOPLE involved in this movement will recognize that when they unleash that real agenda. I have witnessed the awakening of many people, who came here for information.
Bump.
Let me get this straight. The protests are more of a call to arms, like the Philadelphia convention in 1776, than a statement, like the Declaration of Independence?
The elite have had 200 + years to figure out how to enslave the people and corrupt the system. We have had less then 30 day's to figure out how to fix it. We don't have all the answers yet... But we will. =)
This is different from anything you may be used to. It is different, far more powerful. 951 cities in 27 days. That is why you are asking, why you are interested. It may be a little uncomfortable for you, but that's the way it is.
You want an answer, watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CjrZNi49bE&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI&feature=related
There is no "official statement."
If you really want to get a clue about origins and motives, but can't make it to a General Assembly, cracking a book is probably your best bet. For instance, Howard Zinn gives a pretty good explanation of the sentiment in A People's History of the United States:
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncomrev24.html
This is not a rally for one cause. There's no one bill that, if passed, would satisfy OWS, no single person that OWS opposes, no one bullet point that some publicist can wave about in order to represent OWS. We're looking for a new way out, one that isn't paved with blood, but with mutual goodwill. It is, at once, incredibly simple and unfathomably complex. Nevertheless, we feel we have no choice but to try.
That's inspiring.
Some of the ideas are good.
It is increasingly looking more like a party type environment for young college age kids. Almost like it is the "cool" thing to do.
Let me get this straight: the protesters are currently in the phase of deciding what their wants and demands are?
I think the sad truth is that various factions are working at cross-purposes. All we share is a general discontent, and very different ideas as to causes and solutions.
From what I can tell, they've got a proposal over on https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ that's a work in progress document they plan on submitting next spring. Hope that helps.
Next spring? Then why are they protesting now? A bunch of angry people without a definite goal or cause is not a movement, it's just a bunch of angry people. I'm not trying to down anyone, just saying.
I'm assuming because it takes time to hash out the details and come to a definite consensus. If you go to that link and scroll to the bottom and click on "Who we are" it gives some insight. It'll take till spring to get done what they need to do.
In a world of soundbites and talking heads it seems some have forgotten what democracy really is! It is a process where all voices are heard! It is slow and sometimes a bit messy, but it works! See how it is done here: http://nycga.cc/
Economic injustice: lack of opportunity and access, though people are financially crippled with excessive student loan debt.
(Fraud) Foreclosures (banks made 100 percent of profit by securitizing the notes, got bailed out, and the insurers of those securities were bailout, yet the regular homeowner still has to pay the bailout note).
Yeah, I don't get the point of the movement. What is your official statement on what you guys are protesting for?
Well some are jobless and those that have jobs are pretty much crap jobs.
Some graduated with a profitable degree but there is little job opportunity for them.
It seems to me you don't get the whole point of the movement.
no, maybe not, inform us please, i too have been researching and asking on forums what the official ows idea is, i get everything from "we're against corporate influence on washington" which i agree with to "socialism", "communist revolution", "redistribution of wealth" which i don't agree with to ideas that are just angry, uneducated, propaganda-ridden, and even worse things like "anarchy will rule" or "kill the jews"....so, no, people don't get the FULL POINT AND GOALS OF THE MOVEMENT. the tea party looks so reassuring after some of this. even though they were immediately hated on by everyone, they were organized and had GOALS
Absolutely a justifiable question.
You might be better off asking people what they're against rather than what they're for here. My opinion is that most people here are against the tyrannical forces at play in every aspect of their lives. From federal bailouts to uncontested warmongering to the unlawful usage of deadly force against Americans that are perceived as a threat. That list is infinite my friend. But, it can be simply summed up as the 1% factor, which is an homage to those very few soulless creatures that devour human decency and discredit the principles that you and I (we) personally stand for. They might be rich, powerful or even both. Regardless they are tyrants, and they should be stood up against accordingly. Therefore, there can be no definitive answer.
ok, i understand what ows is against, i'm against alot of things, and i know from videos that ows nyc votes for things, but i feel the most important thing is WHERE DOES OWS WANT TO MOVE FORWARD TO. that, friend is the ultimate factor in what it really means, if it will last or die down, and if i can consciously support it or not, for example: "the system is corrupt, we demand socialism, handouts, peoples heads on stakes" no, i can't consciously support those, " the system is corrupt, lets get selfless businessmen in office, change campaign regulations, change some corporation rights, and manage the peoples money better while having true democratic republic, smaller government so that people dont rely on gov assistance and can survive on their own, by themselves" then i'll support the movement. i am a young businessman owning my own business and i know from trial and error that if you have no plan with goals, you can talk all you want but in the end you have nothing to do but stop, and find something that does work..which is advice that i believe washington could use actually hehe
https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/home
the national general assembly and petition for redress of grievences. now that is something
Agreed.
It will be interesting to see what happens over the winter with OWS. Regardless, you have to admire the fact that they've been able to rally citizens from 1,500 cities around the globe to protest against something. What that "something" is...well, is debatable. At the least, it's brought you and Chany here.
The foreseeable problem is when (or if) OWS determines their mission, vision and values. At that point, they will be labeled and exploited. Then, they will probably be forced to align with a political party, and will lose their global appeal. This is an unprecedented global movement. I hate to be cliche, but it's bigger than the U.S. and political parties at this point.
I would suggest you go to Liberty Plaza or a local Occupy meeting because it's the only way you will discover the truth.
you can't explain? there is a problem and a goal, if you know it state it, if not, then i suppose you don't know either
Thank you!
A bunch of dopes with nothing better to do with their time. That's OWS in a nutshell.
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