Forum Post: Permanent Warfare

4,421 US soldiers have died. 31,921 US soldiers have been wounded. Over $806 Billion Spent, billions of which went to Dick Cheney's Haliburton. As the Iraq War has "officially" ended, it's important we remember how it began -- based on falsehoods and misinformation. We should never again put the lives of our brave soldiers at risk because of lies.

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"Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Pretty scary stuff. Goring was a Reichsmarschall and the Nazi founder of the Gestapo, Head of the Luftwaffe; in English his name is also spelled as Hermann Goering.

I think this is happening in our country right now. THEY've lied in the past to start wars. Gulf of Tonkin, Iran Contra Affair, Noriega, the failed attempt at passing Operation Northwoods, and most recently the war in Iraq.. what WMD's? You mean the "evidence" that THEY fabricated?

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring

Also the recent passing of the NDAA will lead to much more war.

“This bill authorizes permanent warfare anywhere in the world. It gives the president unchecked power to pursue war. It diminishes the role of this Congress. The founders saw Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, which places in the hands of Congress the war power, as essential to a check and balance against the executive abuse of power. This legislation diminishes Congress' role in that regard.

This legislation authorizes the military to indefinitely detain individuals without charge or trial, including the detention of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. In short, what this bill does is it takes a wrecking ball to the United States Constitution and gives enormous power to the government or the state. I want friends on both sides of the aisle to understand this; we are giving the state more power over individuals with this bill. It’s the wrong direction.

Our children deserve a world without end, not a war without end. Our children deserve a world where they know the government will protect them, that it is not going to rule over them by invading their very thoughts and going, as the PATRIOT Act does, going into their banking records or into their educational records. We have to keep the government out of people's lives and stop the government from getting more into war which gives the government more control over people. This is the time we take a stand for the Constitution and a stand for a government which is smaller when it comes on matters of war.” -congressman Dennis Kucinich.