Forum Post: OWS turns to Violence as its new Trademark.
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 9:34 p.m. EST by MisguidedYouth2
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OWS marked it's two month anniversary with 245 arrests and despicable acts including throwing acid at police officers injuring more police and costing tax payers millions of dollars. According to CNN, no conservative bastion of reporting, OWS protests today have resulted in more violence than the prior 60 days combined. Those of us who know what is really going on with this movement have only one thing to say. I told you so!
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/us/occupy-protests-roundup/index.html
OWS = lawless criminals.
CNN = Corporate News Network
To all of you who have said the NYPD has been overly aggressive, get off it. If one looks at NY Parks and Rec regs, the NYC gov has been more than sympathetic to this group of dissatisfied underachieving group of people looking for hand-outs. The OWS supporters deserve far worse than what they have gotten thus far. They have broken the law, they have cost tens of millions of dollars to others, yet they claim they deserve more? The only group dumber than them are tea party members, but the OWS kids are closing in fast.
yep - they deserve real, not rubber, bullets in their butts. NYPD should do it chinese way - bring tanks and run them over
While I agree with you for OWS to get off the Kick NYPD bandwagon,, your closing comment about the tea party was clearly MisGuided. After all we respected the police, left every assembly location cleaner than we found it, and suffered Zero.....no let me repeat...Zero arrests and never injured a police officer. Your " dumber" comment is highly inaccurate if not MisGuided, and you lost all credibility in the process of making such a ridiculous assertion. Your union membership is not a license to murder the truth.
Wow man, so wrong on so many levels. Im not going to touch the grammar issues in your response outside of the following: I am a bit confused by you feeling the need to capitalize words that didnt need to be and also by your need to capitalize mid-word.
Moving on, NYPD officers did get injured in the incidents. Potentially damaging liquids were thrown at them. It is also well know that objects were thrown at NYPD officers, resulting in at least one major injury. And. other OWS individuals did intentionally attempt to harm NYPD members with the hopes of getting arrested, and in turn, create "buzz" for their "movement." Yet, NYPD members showed massive restraint and let it slide.
Further, Im a bit confused by the use of the term "we" when referencing the pre and post status of the cleanliness of the park. It was reported that trash crews had to go through the park to clean after you and your cohorts were forced out. And as I walk past it every day we both know that the park looked far better before than after the "occupation." So, I assume when you use the word "we" you mean that you are part of the NYC Sanitation Dept that cleaned up that disgusting mess that was left in the park after Bloomberg finally had that place cleaned out.
Finally, dont make assumptions about my affiliations. It is a feeble, misguided attempt at an insult, and in this case, comically wrong. That being said, I support pretty much all unions in this country, as they represent everything from contractors to teachers to truck drivers. Unions (although my profession does not have one) drive this country and I support them 100%.
Please read my post again and focus less on the grammar and more on the content. I was not defending OWS, but rather the Tea Party. We never injured a cop or left an assembly a mess.
My mistake to an extent, and my apologies on that end. Misread your post initially. You are right, the Tea Party "protests" have not yet resulted in one directly attributable arrest. But, your assertion that the tea party left their protest sites cleaner than they were initially were is completely wrong. As a former DC resident, I passed by the mall after that joke of a rally held by the Tea Party in October 2010 and it was a veritable dumping ground.
But, the greater item which I should have brought up is, both sides are screaming at windmills rather than actually doing anything. On your end (I am assuming and my apologies if I am wrong), the Tea Party group stands up and does back flips when Palin has something to say. On the OWS end they all get a massive hard-on when someone like Michael Moore (Im guessing that is someone they support, im just a middle of the roader) gets up and says something. Yet they do nothing.
Again, Im a middle of the roader. Id just like to see both the OWS group and the Tea Party, two groups which represent the worst of their respective parties, shut the hell up and let the smart ones do their jobs.
Who might that be in your opinion? We've taken your approach for the last ten decades, and now all we have to show for it is 15T in debt and 15M unemployed. You know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. We've tried Progressivisim for the last century, why not Conservatism for a change. You never know, a BB amendment, entitlement reforms that reflect the explosion in life expectancies, education reform that puts students first and unions last, an energy policy that is built on a foundation of our innovation that enables us to drill, mine, fuse atoms, harness solar and wind concurrently, and the resurrection of a mfg base that differentiates itself on quality vs. price may be just the kind of change we could believe in.
That my Friend is the Tea Party Mantra.
Brother, Ive got a real job. Dont want to be an ass and ignore you, but Ive got to go to sleep. Got 3 private school educations to pay for. Ill get back to you ASAP though soon, promise. In the interim, find a hobby.
@ MisguidedYouth2 Give it a break Jagoff..
Yinz gahn back dahntahn n'at?
"MisguidedYouth2" = TROLL
should we construct an argument
that will clarify our view
again
OWS=Violent Revolution
OWS=Marxists
Yup some of us are. This is the first thing you have said that is partially correct. Now there's nothing wrong with Marxism he advocated democracy and worker run enterprises, whats wrong with that?? and please don't tell me that misguided derivatives like communism are a result of Marx because that is flat out wrong they hijacked Marx's ideas and blended them into political dictatorships which are against Marx's democratic leanings.
Well I respect the fact you admit to it,despite my disgust for such a system. Can you point to one society that was based on Marxism that is still around today? Can you imagine killing off handicapped people? That's what the father of Marxism Bernard Shaw promoted. In fact, he insisted that every five years we present ourselves to a "board" and justify our existence and if we could not that we should be killed.
At a meeting of the Eugenics Education Society of 3 March 1910 he suggested the need to use a "lethal chamber" to solve their problem. Shaw said: "We should find ourselves committed to killing a great many people whom we now leave living, and to leave living a great many people whom we at present kill. We should have to get rid of all ideas about capital punishment ..." Shaw also called for the development of a "deadly" but "humane" gas for the purpose of killing, many at a time, those unfit to live.
OWS=Anti-Semites
I keep trying to figure out where this is coming from. Judaism has been a part of the movement. Several holy days have been celebrated in the Zucotti encampment. I just do not understand.
I know Jewish people that are part of the movement, too. These accusations hold no water.
Google this site for Zionist. You'll get the gist of what I'm talking about.
Does thinking that Israel isn't always right make you automatically Anti-Semitic? I think that's more what that has been, an issue with our automatic support for the state of Israel, not hatred for people of any faith. Though I'm sure someone somewhere has said that. There's always crazy people somewhere.
http://occupyjudaism.org/#6f1/tumblr
What proof?
His MIRROR! Try it for yourself too... :)
I know, no Self-immolation....need a match? Or some fuel? I'll gladly help you.........
Oooooh! you really light my fire...
Wow, 12 minutes to search google for the definition.....I will continue to fight for my tax $ going toward GED and community colleges......in your name, the great Tiouaise......."
Was Stalin a Marxist? Was Hitler a eugenicist?
Polemics 101 (are you done searching an online dictionary......or google on polemics?) .....ah, you're back; proof requires discernible evidence void of common opinion (you back to passive knowledge via the Internet again? So sad). And, your "point" is?
I am just a high school grad. A carpenter for 25 years. Self employed. Do I have a place here? Was stalin a marxist? Was hitler a eugenisist? You guys seem to Know.
You will NEVER cause the change I believe you are trying to affect unless you define your premise in ways that everyone can support you and in a way that revolutionary change can occur. Tackle TRUE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. Demand laws that state that a politician CANNOT accept or spend ANY contribution that does not come from a citizen that he or she would represent. Even push for a Constitutional Amendment. Everyone would join you on this.
This is what democracy looks like. Exactly the same as the current democracy we live in. A few bad apples, people taking advantage of others, violence, war... Human nature at it's best.
The guy who threw the liquid at the police officer shouldn't have done that, but to be fair the nypd has been overly aggressive.
Do you want to rationalize the terrorizing of children trying to get to school too?
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/ows-protesters-chant-follow-those-kids-as-small-children-try-to-go-to-school-on-wall-street/
Shameful, disgraceful. Not something a decent human being wants to be associated with. I'm disgusted.
Throwing acid? Oh, right... I heard of two people who tossed vinegar (and possibly accidentally while preparing for the potential of tear gas and pepper spray while Zuccotti was being penned in). Now vinegar is, technically, acetic acid, I suppose, but you make it sound like something it isn't, and that somehow it was a widespread and violent attack. Get off it. Sensationalist bullshite.
The cops opened the gates as well, I saw it on the live stream. On both sides. And they allowed everyone back into the park.
Yes, they did, after a while, and after beating some poor kid's head against the curb and fracturing his skull for trying to climb over the barrier. What's your point?
It was a pro-OWS point, anti-media comment in truth.
Facts as reported on CNN:
OWS Circus is Over but Nobody Told The Carnies....
At least 245 people were arrested over the course of Thursday, police spokesmen said. That includes 64 arrested -- most all wearing "99% t-shirts" -- during a sit-in early in the evening on Centre Street, near Foley Square.
Five police officers were injured when a liquid was thrown on their faces during confrontations with with protesters, Kelly said. The officers felt burning in their faces, but were able to wash off the unknown substance at a nearby hospital.
In addition, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said a 24-year-old police officer was injured when a star-shaped glass object was thrown at him. Speaking from Bellevue Hospital Center, he said "some protesters today deliberately pursued violence."
I read the article, thanks. It also said that MOST protesters were peaceful, and that the above were isolated incidents. Also, while CNN doesn't seem to have heard, the mysterious liquid was identified elsewhere as vinegar. People bring it to protests to soak a bandanda or facemask to help ward off the effects of tear gas.
MOST cops are peaceful too. Doesn't justify anything.
Some grade school students were forced to walk a gauntlet of screaming “Occupy Wall Street” protesters just to get to school on Thursday.
It was a wild day in lower Manhattan for most everyone involved, including elementary school children who had to brave the mayhem just to get to class on the other side of Wall Street.
My daughter would have been cheering the protesters on.
Tell that to the parents whose children were simply terrorized. As I said all you clowns will sacrifice anyone and anything under the premise that the means always justify the ends.
Nobody harmed any children. Stop believing all the ridiculous hype you read in corporate media.
I read the article. You should too:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/ows-protesters-chant-follow-those-kids-as-small-children-try-to-go-to-school-on-wall-street/
Little kids and their parents were scared, and you would have more credibility if you would admit that this is simply unacceptable, condemn it, and try to clean up your act.
First of all, it's not MY act, because I wasn't there. Second, because I wasn't there, I do not know precisely what happened, and seriously doubt the veracity of the claims made, because I do know people who are down there, and they report nothing of the sort. Children have been nothing but welcomed and cherished at the protests. Here in my city, that is very much the case. The article only says that they had to walk by screaming protesters. Well, that's what protesters do. Somebody said "follow those kid"? In what context? Because, in all truth, that comment, if it were made, could be very harmless, indeed, in many contexts. It all seems very blown out of proportion. Sure, if kids were threatened, I would have to condemn that. Knowing who I know, and what I know of the protests, claims that children were "terrorized" seem highly unlikely. Without evidence that children were threatened, I can only assume that somebody is crying wolf, whipping up a sensationalist media storm to smear the protest. Stranger things have happened.
Simply put Americans live by a simple rule and your rationalizations and excuses have little weight over the basic premise that says "Attack Thee and you may survive, Attack Thy children and you shall Die!"
Nobody attacked any children. The article doesn't even say that. It just says the children were "terrorized" by "screaming protesters". You're blowing things out of proportion even worse than the article. That's what we call "sensationalism". On the internet, we also call that "trolling". Have fun with that. Bye.
OWS protesters exhibited determination, courage, and composure in the face of unprovoked violence today.
There's and oxymoron for you. "according to CNN" and "those of us who know what's going on" in the same post. LOL! I think we should start some get a clue classes for the opposition.
Yes - remedial classes for TROLLS. :)
Are trolls not allowed?
Let's just say they are TOLERATED :
http://occupywallst.org/forum/moderating-policies-will-be-reposted-somewhere-pro/
Two sentences fool. One is a attribution the other is an opinion. No wonder this movement is a colossal failure. If you're representative of it's intellectual capacity, it's in more trouble than even I thought.
Did I say in the same sentence or in the same post? If you call a global movement a failure I suppose you are missing the point. They are raising awareness, but coming from someone who is unaware I suppose it would appear as a failure. I guess they are failing you. Oh, I'm sorry, I feel bad for you now. You'll catch on soon no worries.
Pack your tent carnie. Your Circus is OVER!
I actually live in a 3200 square foot colonial in a rural area of CT. I just put my child down to bed but I don't have to get up early tomorrow. I took the week off for a little mental health week and yard work. That storm last week was a killer. I had to fire up the generator. No power for a week but that's ok, times like that bring the family closer together you know. Peace now my friend enjoy your ignorance while you have it because once it's gone you don't get it back until senility sets in.
Wow tent living has made you dillousional. My ignorance is a blessing compared to you elitism!
Lol! Good night
Don't forget to zip up!
The fact that the movement doesn't have a leader leaves the movement at the mercy of people like steve15, who's intelligence matches his job resume.
I actually have a 140 IQ and one hell of a resume.
thats cool, cuz you know this is the internet, and i have a 500 IQ i know that is more than the limit is, but you know i'm that smart. also i am a Astronaut, President of the united states, and also did i mention my name is Steve jobs?
you're going to need a better rebuttal than flaunting your e-peen on the internet
I didn't think it was that unbelievable. Oh well.
its about time.....lets get things done! EGYPT STYLE!
Some grade school students were forced to walk a gauntlet of screaming “Occupy Wall Street” protesters just to get to school on Thursday.
It was a wild day in lower Manhattan for most everyone involved, including elementary school children who had to brave the mayhem just to get to class on the other side of Wall Street.
violence? looks more like self defense to me! they should all arm themselves and just take over!
there is not any violence unless provoked by the criminal paid political gangers or a few trouble makers in the crowd not even caring about the movement... I don't believe much of the forced news garbage and forced decision process from criminals... they are the scammers for money...and power... anyone with half a mind knows the real political story here and what occupy really means.. the rest are being told lies as usual from the crime gang who even lures children...elders etc a sickness in these govt manipulators... I think they are afraid of their fate thinking this frees them... wrong only makes their fate sell to more evil..